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Pasiphae gave a startled half-jump when both Niflhel and Tsui acknowledged her, but she took comfort in the discussion that both of them were having. At least it was somewhat peaceful and still allowed others in the room to step in, unlike the murmurs she could hear of some individuals talking amongst themselves. She tried to block that out so that she could pay attention to whomever had the floor, currently.

Lina's explosion made the Shame Senshi's maroon eyes widen and the vestiges of tears could be seen. She knew the Knight only vaguely from a couple of other group meetings, but what the blue-haired woman said always made sense to her. Now? Now, if she were to listen, than the war could only have one outcome. Fight or die.. Purify or be corrupted. No diplomacy, no sparing the innocent, no working with their foes to see who even could be saved and who would have to be put down. Lina was saying, in Pasiphae's mind, that the only way was to become what Carnelian and others accused her of being from the beginning. An invader. An enforcer. A pawn of some Moon Princess that she had never laid eyes upon, although she had met Princesses in the past. 'No. No, I never... I don't want that. I want to save people but... is that really... really the only way?'

The Senshi of Shame did not have the courage to actually raise her voice before Lina left the room along with another Senshi, and her heart broke to see Niflhel agree with exactly the question she had left unvoiced. The Senshi of Tigers, and now Valhalla as well spoke up in protest, but Pasiphae didn't have anything else to add. She could see the logic of both sides; she could agree with either of them. She just wanted to be human, to be good, to do her duty and protect the innocent--isn't that why she had been given the power in the first place?

Pasiphae moved towards the Jovians, making gentle, murmured excuses to the other Senshi, Knights, and cats that she may have had to part to do so. She could speak her mind from there as well as anywhere, and that's where the people she had fought the most with were seated. While she was always willing to meet others and interact with them... she was clearly shaken by Lina's speech and by what was going on around her. But she would not leave. She would never leave, not as long as her allies--all of them, not just the Jovians--were willing to meet and talk. No matter how insecure she might feel, no matter how little she might have had to offer, she would not leave.

Europa swept down on Pasiphae as the younger senshi made her way over, wrapping her teammate in a hug. "You were so eloquent!" she exclaimed. Whether or not she had directly inspired Lina's outburst (which was just, well, the truth) didn't matter - at least the senshi of shame had gotten up and said her part, and been so well-spoken about it. She pulled Pasiphae over to where the small group of Jovians had gathered, falling back into line with Ganymede and Valhalla. Even if their team evidently wasn't going to partake in any of the silly peacocking of announcing their name and pretending they were more important than they actually were, it was still good to stand together - right?

"I'll be right back," she said, patting Pasiphae on the shoulder before ducking back into the crowd, headed for where she had last seen a familiar pair of pink odango. "Princess?" Europa asked softly, arriving in the vicinity of Chibimoon's shoulder. "Could I interest you in a better seat?"

This was met with an enthusiastic response, and they shoved their way (gently) back towards the Jovians. "Remember what you said to me when I told you about Ares corrupting?" Europa asked Chibimoon lowly. "About her being smoke and not fire? Is it the same for the other Dark Mirror Senshi? Is there any way of turning them back into the people they were, of purifying them?"

Europa was generally in keeping with the rest of the Jovians' pacifism - but when it came to the Dark Mirror, she'd already mourned Leto. If there was no chance of purifying her cousin, then she'd rather kill her than continue to allow a dopelganger walk around wearing her face.

((OOC: Nessy said I could puppet Chibimoon for a moment))

Chibimoon had also tried to drag Juno with her into crowd, which by now was becoming increasingly agitated by the outburst from the girl the princess knew to have been a former Negaverser, unsure if the Senshi of the Canopy was following. She was the only one who had been purified so far and it didn't seem to have worked out so well for the girl, for whatever reason. It worried Allie, made her wonder if maybe she should be trying harder to gather everyone together so that they would work together. But she'd seen that they didn't want to listen, didn't want to work together, and it was best to just wait it out and see what happened. If you tried to force your will onto someone who had a choice they never did anything but resent you for it.

As to Lina Knight's viewpoint she agreed...somewhat. Some of them could be purified but the rest would have to be killed. There was too much Chaos in them to keep the balance if they were purified, added to the fact that after a certain point corruption was, in her mind, absolute. You couldn't take a monster like Beryl, like Tanzanite, or even that civilized looking Zinkenite and try to make a human out of them again; it just wasn't possible in her mind.

Europa's question snapped her back away so that the (relatively) young princess was forced to think rather seriously about it. "I think it should not be said to be not possible?" Her English was slipping, unfortunately. "If you try to purify a Negaverse officer you are just removing the Chaos, removing the stain of evil from them. The mirrors are holes into another universe, brought through to be slaves to their wannabe Moon Queen." Nehelenia was never going to rank very high on Chibimoon's list of people to speak kindly of. Any agent of hers, any shred of anything from that mirror b***h's universe had to be eradicated and quickly. They spread like a plague.

"You would have to remove the parasite soul. But I think it could be done, if you did not mind killing the parasite to save the host." Maybe Allie was spending a little too much time with her scientist father these days, but it was a perfectly viable solution in her mind. Eradicate the mirror people, save the people that belonged here.

Perfect!

After listening to Virgo's and Niflhel's speech, Tsui wasn't convinced. Yes, they provided a strong argument, and Nifhel was at least able to give her reasons, but to Tsui, nothing was impossible. To her, that was a cop out, an excuse thrown about to give the person a scapegoat into not even trying. Perhaps it was her own inexperience that made it hard to believe, but Tsui just wasn't convinced.

"So, it's kill or purify all of the Chaos, no questions asked? No hope for living with them in peace? Just strike them down the moment we see them?" Tsui asked, not raising her voice but letting those around her hear the edge in it. As Pasiphae came to sit next to her Jovian teammates, Tsui carried on. "Not sure how that makes us any different from the youma then, if we just mindlessly kill or purify them. Guess we're not so different in the end?"

He made it clear that he was done with the topic, and Tsui rose her hands in the air, a famous gesture of 'surrender', but there was no sincerity behind it. "But that's okay, because we're right and they're wrong. Just that simple... I'll be sure to keep that in mind next time I'm on patrol."

She sat back down, the very notion of leaving the meeting never came to mind. That'd be cowardly, and Tsui was known for many things, but cowardice wasn't going to be one of them. The way she held herself made it clear that she wasn't up for talking about the topic in public; let the rest of the meeting commence however whichaway it wanted.

Europa's comment about revitalizing homeworlds sparked genuine curiosity with Tsui. 'That'd be a great way to get away from it all. Just live there again...'

Weaving around more legs, Pravoski finally found a higher surface to hop up on. He sat down and curled his tail around him.

"So, Lina Knight said the Negaverse has a queenie thing. Who knows what kind of things their big bad queenie has told them that they've accepted as truth? Could they not then just be her little pawn thingurs? Anyone ever think of that? Maybe this queen has some other agenda and is just telling them what she thinks will work to uh, to uh...what's the word umm...move them?"

Honestly Pravoski had been doing his best to avoid the war for the greater part of ...everything. He wasn't even sure why he'd come, other than to maybe meet some other fine feline ladies - he was failing there but okay - and get a better grasp on just what he was ignoring...but he really wondered if anyone had though of that.

Sure, he'd just previously been talking about, or more like brought up, diplomacy, but he could play both sides of the argument. If the Negaverse had been fed lies, then they needed to see the light. If they weren't though, he was all for...whatever. He really didn't care one way or another - they could follow their instincts on what they felt needed to be done. So long as he got fed at the end of the day.

She had asked for talking yes, but the flood gates that spilled forth were not remotely what she'd been hoping for. And they were particularly hard to follow considering the many conversations, and her unfortunately placement up at the head of the room. She was getting bits and pieces here and there, flinching as people burst into passionate yelling about this or that, and all the while trying to find some kind of way to sooth things, even if only barely.

When she spoke her words tried to stay even amid the emotion in the room. It was no time for her to blow up at people too.

"There isn't anything stopping anyone from trying to speak diplomatically with the Negaverse. Some people are warning of the dangers of a plan like that, but in the end you need to do what you feel is right. If there is a group that would like to try that tactic then go ahead and do it. Don't just stand around and ask why no one else has done it."

"As Lina mentioned, the Negaverse and the Dark Mirror Senshi both have leaders that run their groups. So as much as you talk members of the group that won't solve the problem. If you can talk to their leaders and compromise with them and make it back alive, I'm sure the rest of us would be very happy to sing your praises."

"We simply are concerned about you making it back alive. But I doubt many of us would stand in your way if that was your choice."

"People say this strategy is wrong, and that one is wrong, but how many of us actually try something different or offer up other solutions? We weren't given a handbook, and everything we do is by trial and error. If you want to think protecting the city from monsters and trying to suggesting purification to those that want it is wrong, then by all means do. But complaining about it doesn't get anything done. Go out and find your answer."

The idea hit her, only as the large purple cat spoke that a possible answer to their problem might be to target the leaders and not the people working under them. But it was an idea she wanted to think over more before simply blurting it out amid all the chaos. A topic for some other time.

Her hand was on her forehead for a moment, as if trying to will away the beginnings of a headache, but it didn't stay long, trailing back to rustle through her bangs. Some of her stress was relieved through a sigh before she spoke again.

Turning to address another point, she frowned a little sad to see that it was her old friend who had spoken it. Go back to space? To the silent tomb of a star that her soul once lived on many year ago? Had Europa given up on earth the same way she'd given up on her first team?

"Each and every one of us here was also born on earth. Asking us to leave is asking us to give up our families and friends and the planet were were born on and have come to care about. Just because our souls once lived somewhere else? How is that fair to us, to the people that care for us? Earth doesn't belong to them just as much as it doesn't belong to us. It's all of our homes."

"Perhaps with some extensive work our homeworlds could be restored, but I know for sure that Polaris is not habitable as it is now and probably will not be for years and years to come. The cold snow keeps anything from growing and the animals are long gone. My people lived by trading our ore and goods with food producing stars. There is no intergalatic trading force out there anymore."

"I do agree, it is a very good idea to try and bring our worlds back to life. But do we really have five years. Or even ten years to try and do it? How many of us will be taken by the war before we can make them done enough to escape to? Unless the plan is to no longer even try and fight for the people of Destiny City and instead focus sololy on our old homes." And even if they did escape... who was to say that Chaos wouldn't eventually follow? They had certainly come to their homes once before and left them in ruin.

The words weren't accusatory, or even really heated. If anything at all they were sad and solemn. Sad that she couldn't understand someone she'd once agreed on so much with, and wishing once more for the insight to see.

Juno was not particularly thrilled when Chibimoon decided to head towards the side of the room that had been causing one of the largest tiffs and arguments. In fact she gave a soft growl as she followed a few feet behind, as she would have felt much more comfortable someplace quieter and more subdued.

But Small Lady was the boss, and Juno wanted even less to be by herself then she wanted to be uncomfortable, so she joined her princess silently, flicking her braids off her shoulder mildly. Why so much yacky yacky yelling from everyone. It was almost like a elementary school food fight and she kept half expecting a plate of spaghetti to come flying at her.