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Simplified... Original forms exist as they are the first. No matter how much squishy you do to change it that is the Original form.

reincarnation Isn't Strictly Hindu... I am not hindu. I am not going to bend my beliefs to your definitions.

Theory of the plains is annoying and difficult to explain along with trying to explain its physics. If you have no experience of those plains don't jump to conclusions about them or how its going to be when you die.
Don't try to tell me that I die so I reincarnate somewhere else. That Isn't how it has worked in the past.
I didn't even Start adopting other forms till I incarnated on earth. Till that point I never even considered the Idea of shirking of a previous way of being so I could know life without my predispossitions. See this is me this is My reason for reincarnation.

My original form... fits me like a glove I like it its me and that is the one I prefere to use even if it isn't aesthetically pleasing to me and I'm too tall.

refer to my last post on page 6.

For everytime you said to prove, you disprove it first, or stop telling us to prove it.

An idea is that the war is an inevitable idea that would in a sense be the apocalypse (as we know it), destroying the world as we know it.

Whats debatable is when it would come, what could infuence it to happen sooner or later then when it currently is going to happen.

Another thing is debating exactly what happens. Some people say 'such and such' will happen to everyone, some say that will only happen to certain people for 'blah blah' reason; and so forth with their different ideas and different interpretations.

Also, with what you've been argueing about the original form, is 'logic' says for something to be, it has to start/begin. Whatever the ******** we 'were' whenever/however we started, thats the original form. That seems to be sound/fallacy logic/theory. Now that does not mean we can ever be sure what our original form was, but that does mean there was/is such a thing as original form.

So, I don't bother with the war ideas, since I would simply be arguing other possibilites and ideas to ever single bloody unique idea I come across a different person having...and adopted ideas leads to repeat arguements. So, the war=the apocalypse basically. Why its a 'war' is because of peoples ideas.

And how do you know the Hindu and Buddhist terms aren't actually basterdized?

Ultimately, this is what I think when it comes to alot of things that I know of. Yeah, I can see why theres a chance of it, and I'll give it the benifit of the doubt even though I think its much much more likely to be bs, or wrong. But I won't really go eitherway with my judgement until I have any stronger personal reasons to do so--proof and/or extreme reasoning.

Your post is rather rude and you should refrain from that behavior, or else I will have to take action.

You could challenge the person or ask for further explaination. But being rude is just as good as flaming.

These are some of the a non-written rules and it will be maintained this way in the future period.

Time to read long and answer long posts. : D



An opinion can before. I have the opinion that you are lame (as in you walk funny). But is that true? No. Beliefs are often proven wrong. Such as the whole church used that the sun revolved around the earth to symbolize a relationship with god. But it's quite the other way around. So from previous beliefs and opinions being disproved it is more likely than not that they are not fact. Therefore she shouldn't be stating them as if they were fact. "I think" and "I believe" Or "Perhaps this might be" are all statements that should be said every once in a while, because this expresses that these opinions and beliefs are of the person and he or she is not expressing them as if they are fact.

Understand why I stated "Prove these opinions/beliefs or stop stating them as fact", now?



Oh oh, like the whole mayan thing. Ok. <3 See that's better.



Well we all know that we won't live with the sun turning to a red gaint which could become a black hole or well take a while and then explode cause all the planets around it to be come space matter. And of course if Korea decides to exploded everything. Well that would be the end of the world.

In the TOWT, I stated that I believe something like the Bubonic plague would happen. You know the whole destroying massive amount of people at one time thing. I think it's either going to be the Bird Flu or some sort of super germ because we constantly use anti-bacterial (though some scientists say nothings going to happen because of that, but after a while nature is going to find a way to improve her sicknesses.).

And I also think that in combination with that, that because of the big a** hole in our atmosphere something like the "Day after tomorrow" movie is going to happen, where the weather gets all bitchy and we all die because we get frozennesesesd.

So i think it's going to be a combination and will wipe out so many people that it would take possibly traveling over two state's territory find just one other person or a collection of small people. I mean come on, that's pretty bad.



If you don't know what your supposed original form was, how can you be sure there was this supposed original form? Where's the cut off point? The one you remember the most, the one that was the one previous to this life (which would be lame), the one that you think it is (which means that it could be a severe alteration), and because you can change it does that mean there was an original form, because if the form is in flux all the time, that means that there probably wasn't a singular form.

I know it's hard to grasp that idea and you're standing there being all dense hitting you're keys as hard as you possibly can because you want their to be something of an original state. But there really isn't ever an original state. Take a baby, one could say the fetus was the original state, while I could say what about the eggs and the sperm? What about where the eggs and sperm came from, what about the parents of the parent of the sperm and the egg? What about the grandparents, and so on and so forth.

Or a plant, its seed, you would say was the original form, but what about all the ancestors and changes and deviations in the genetic and species code that it came from? You see where I'm getting at. The word Original is an oxymoron. Just as Normal is an oxymoron.

Better?



LOL. xD Pun. So good. You make awesome puns. xD I've already stated what I believe the end of the world as we know it is, so no need for DF to repeat herself.



By going to the original context of what the world originally meant. See, look at this oxymoron. You're using it against me for that term and I'm using it against you against the theory of original form. You do know what I'm saying. : D

It is possible that the Hindu (I know for sure the Buddhist term is a bastardization. XD) has changed somewhat from when the religions ideals were first stated (which came from people, which came from other people, Oxymoron of originality). But it's been at least somewhat concrete were we can go back and has a set example of what it is. It has been established by those who practice it, to what it means. Therefore, under that sort of logic, one wouldn't know what reincarnation is unless they practice Hindu. However, I do believe that a Hindu can at least put it in stupid terms for people outside the religion. And these said "stupid terms" lead to even more bastardization of the original (oxymoron) of the meaning of reincarnation.

This is why I'm stopping at the "stupid terms" bastardization of the word instead of using what Sin-sin is using, which is another bastardization from a bastardization. :3



Squee whee



Exactly what I've been saying. Thanks for repeating me. :3



Which I don't trust is correct.



Yippie. A Hallucination some how proves you're point? I dun think so.



Meaning you're interpretation of it? Oh goodie we can use others view of what it is, those who haven't seen said hallucination as a good way of making it real.



Yes, screwing christ would hurt. Being as christ is usually on a plus sign made out of wood and the model of christ is also made out of wood. Or it could be made out of metal. Which would hurt a lot, I assume. But maybe it's a squishy christ? : D



What's this "If" thrown in there? I thought you said you had met him in real life?



See right there. DF isn't crazy. Now I'm slowly beginning to think that you're making this up about this person because you're contradicting yourself. This isn't good. I mean DF contradicts herself because her hands are typing while her brain is two sentences away from the current sentence that is being typed. But you can't believe that personal experience because it's my own personal experience and could just be something you want to hear ANYWAY, moving on.



Which is some how why it's correct. :3



Oh really? Weren't you just stating that you HAD a vision, as fact. And it was FOR SURE about this war thing? That's not stating it as if it was a possibility, I'm afraid. :/



I don't see the future as a thread. I see it as a multiverse. :3 But good example. :: Thumbs up. (no sarcasm)::



Should I? When I can logically proved an essay of common sense + some scientifically fact + philosophy that disproves many of the reasons how otherkin exist? Huh. That's weird, because after all, one can only see that these supposed "psychic Investigative work(s)" would just be another hallucination and could possibly be false. And because I don't believe otherkins exist for true, and thus have proved them incorrect, I don't need any further evidence. Because I bet you that in a court of law, an essay like that would weigh more than supposed "psychic investigative work" would. You've seen that Emily rose, movie? Well, sort of like that. Can't prove demons exist for sure, can't prove that psychics exist for sure, so really can't prove the entire philosophy of religious ideal now can you.

It's all quite fun.



Yes, lol.



Oh dear. My post was rude. That's alright. You kick me out I have friends who will post my posts for me. It's not really one way or the other. Maybe if you read my reasons for not believing in personal beliefs, you'd understand why I said that. And the whole big red font, just wow. Over doing it. No moderator would do that. In fact, a Moderator would have PMed me about it. Instead of making a public display. I may have to, if you're not the site owner and if you are, I lol, go to the guild owner and just tell him how unofficial and pro-disruptive and harassing this is to me. :3



Actually flaming is very much different. Flaming would be constantly insulting and not bothering to explain any thing and just being like "RAWR I H8TE YoU! DAMNIT IT IT!!@!!1111!!one!!elven!!one!” :3



Wait, non-written rules? Sorry. But I don't "read" non-written rules. Isn't there some sort of code of conduct about you publicly harassing and chastising me? Well if it's not written down, it's in the "non-written rules". :3



Yes, busy harassing people. ;3



Yes, lol. Pompous attitude returns!



Oh right. XD Ok. <3

And I guess you don't read the first page of this guild then, because "rules" there is only one rule. Don't flame. I haven't flamed so I guess I'm following the rules and this whole "public display of power" is so not working on me. Sorry, try again. I already Pmed the mule about it, so whenever they get to it they get to it.

Yeah, actually I would go into someone else's house with mud on my shoes. Because I don't give a crap. And mud is where I live out in the country so it's going to get in people's houses. And besides, Mud usually dries in the car while you're going to someone elses house. OR if you pick it up on the way, the usually don't have carpetting on the porch. And I might leave my shoes outside it they were really just covered in them. But a smudge, nope not going to worry about it. So quite frankly all this, is harassment right now. And maybe I should PM the mule again, and you know say something about it. :3 Or better yet, have the big boys of gaia look into the matter. Since I can always go higher up.



Not what I was saying. First you said you met him, and you said you didn't met him and he knew all about your vision. Clear contradiction. Thus a possible lie.



Prove it. Disprovation: It could have been a dream or it could have been a hallicenation. Also, if you're taking some types of medications or other recreational drugs possibly around that time (since they never really leave your system) then those could have influenced you to have said "vision". My belief in "psychics" is purely perspective. Therefore, it's not going to prove anything for me. Remember that whole little thing about how I don't trust myself yeah.

Some chick tried to pull this on me too. She said that she could astral project right in my face and knock crap over. And I told her I wouldn't believe. I'd think it was a hallicenation. And that during said hallicenation that I could have been the one who knocked down said objects.

Beliefs are not good enough for fact. So stop treating them as such.



Good for you. Coincedences and hallicenations and dreams all have been linked to doing that as well.



Good for them. They could just be images of you're mind telling you want you want to hear. Or better yet, because you tell them something it happens because they believe and will it to happen.



The term bragging could be applied here, since after all that's what you were doing two quotes ago.



Which means it's not true. Thank you. End of discussion about the war that is non-existant.



Lol. We're talking about this realm. Where this logic exists and holds. You're talking about non-existant things that possibly, well, actually don't exist. How do you know that this realm can contain such things as wars and otherkin? Since every other realm seems to have it's own little rules about this and that, why doesn't this one?

Anyway, you're claims here, don't hold anything. It doesn't hold an air particle, an oxygen atom, or even a proton. Since it's all persecptive beliefs with no evidence proof beyond "I BELIEVE" or "I THINK" or "I HAD A VISION OF". That's about it. I don't believe you. Thus your whole wind in the sails thing is just nullified.

That's what I've been trying to get across. Until you establish that is this ALL theortical, and that you can't prove any of it, you're not going to win in this arguement. In fact, you've lost pretty much.



OK FINALLY A TIME LINE! So here we go:

1) Had supposed vision
2) Goes online
3) Chats it up with this dude



I feel a pull almost every day, it's called curosity and seeing how many people get ripped up in there. It's funny. You should watch it sometimes. I'm pretty sure if even just one EDer came in here this guild would so be ripped to pieces. I'm still ashamed that I'm posting here because of the utter and complete fluffy-ness that's in here. It makes my eyes water sometimes. Like How can one group of people just be so... I dunno, naive? maybe would be the best world. They believe the instant they see it.

That's how people get into sucide cults nd then everyone laughs after words about the whole spiked koolaid crap but no one ever thinks to question whether or not what they think/believe or what they've been told is real. And that's just poor, poor, poor... I don't know... Poor :: shakes hands at the keyboard as if the word is going to appear on the screen.:: intelligence, thought process, morals, I have no idea what word to use. But I just want to reach over and like slap people into a poor of sense. I dunno. It just irriates me.



4) She gets a stalker.



5) Got scared cause of the stalker
6) Saw a really hawt picture of the stalker, but before that ate some bad beans or food and started feeling this sensation in her stomache so it must be her feeling energy.



7) Stalker says "Hey I can get a follower for my cult! YES!"



8 ) After she eats some more of those bad beans, and may have slipped in the shower, She decides that hey I've feeling all of his abilities woot! He must be cool!



Oh dear God. please tell me you didn't. :: Puts hand on head and shakes it.:: Haven't you ever read those stories about people meeting other people over the interwebs and getting into some serious s**t?! That was VERY bad! Man, i hope he didn't drug or rape you. And because you were so drugged up you didn't know what the hell was going on. BAD! Man, Now I feel sorry for ya cause I been bitching ya out and you seem sort of gulliable. Man... that was a bad decision.

9) She goes to see the stalker (VERY BAD DECISION).



Yup. She was drugged. :: hits head on the table.:: Noooo... you poor poor, person! i don't even know if you're a she and I've been using She. I just realized that too. Sorry about that. Man... ;_; I just feel bad for you. Are you sure you used common sense when you thought up this grant idea? I mean seriously. I'm not ******** with you. Are you sure? Did he spike you're drink? Now I'm worried about you. I think we should tape you down with some bubble wrap because the way you're going, I can see you getting raped, murdered... I dunno, just tore to pieces because of that bad decision. That was hugely bad. Don't do that again. Tell DF you're not going to go escapading off with people over the interwebs.

DF has buddies on the interwebs, but she wouldn't ever meet them offline. Bad, bad bad decision. I can't worry about you all day. You've got to think about these things before you willy-nilly do s**t like that.



Already did. So, that's a false statement. :3



Which is why I question it constantly and think about stuff. LIKE THAT WHOLE RAPING THING ABOVE. Just shame. If you went with someone else to washington... that would be at least better. Like... a big guy... football dude, you know or a wresler or something... got muscle, know how to kick someone's a**. Yeah that would have been ok. BUT BY YOURSELF?! ... Just no... tell me you aren't going to do that again. Seriously. Don't. I'm not even being sarcastic with you. DON'T! I'm still wrapped around the fact you went. I CAN'T BELIEVE IT. (Figure of speech). Oh my muffins! What's wrong with you?! SERIOUSLY! Just no.

D':



Yup. I do it constantly. Makes me sane. Or insane. I'm not sure which. ;3



Actually yes you can prove that personal experiences can be fake. You know, it's a small term called.. a hallicenation. And that's a fake experience. Or even dreams are fake. Cause like sometimes I have those dreams where I'm doing something and when I wake up I think I've done them. But I didn't and haven't. So those are fake. And since they all end up in the mind, where I like to call the seat of all evil. The root of all evil is greed. But the seat of evil is you're mind. and the seat of good, but since it's all perspective. I'm rambling, CARRY ON!

Last little bit, EXACTLY. Otherkinism is pretty pointless. "OH yay, i'm a slug err or I was a slug..." Wow. good for you. I have had reincarnations too. Whoopee! :/



lol. no.



Lol. Could have been a hallicentation. ::nod:: Thus it supports nothing. x3



Prove it. Disprovation: It doesn't exist. hallicenation much. :3



Since we EXIST IN THIS WORLD, My arguements hold. Yours do not. :3 Mmkays.



Notice, we aren't question whether or not you had it. Questioning whether or not it was real.



Then why did you use that whole line example. I've already stated I think it's like a multiverse. :/ You're so contradicting it's making my eyes bleed.



Which cannot be proven to be true, since this said psychic sight could be just another hallcenation.



Which cannot be proven to be true, since this could be just another hallcenation.



Which cannot be proven to be true, since this could be just another hallcenation.



Which cannot be proven to be true, since this could be just another hallcenation.



Which cannot be proven to be true, since this could be just another hallcenation.



I'm laughing out loud too. Perhaps you're laughing because subconciously you don't believe a thing you're saying. :/ /: BAD DECISION! (About meeting that guy. STILL ON THAT. BAD)



WHO?! The pope? The president? Me? Spongebob. Your vague... hay there's a bird... on my porch roof... i think... it's... um... a finch... cool. : D NOW MOVING ON! Your vagueness is often associated with supposed psychic-ness. It's so that it can conform to nearly ever situation so that one can say, "Well I did predict it!". Classic example of that whole Mole-Psychic team. The Psychic is all vague and says "I see... someone... who has... a grandfather... the grandfather had a favorite piece of furtinture..." Person pops up: "Oh that was my grandfather he died last year and he loved to smoke in that old wooden rocking chair near the fire place" And the "psychic" can go on from there. Still not making me believe you... at all.



So you want this non-existant war to happen? Wow. you're mean.



DUDE...ETTE, you are talking about a WAR ON THIS PLANE/Realm/planet/what the hell you want to call it. You are so contradicting. You want to argue with me and try to brush off my arguements and give me vague explinations. I liked the other guy better. At least he wasn't vague and was at least somewhat understanding of where I'm coming from. AND IT'S ALL SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN HERE.
Unless the freakin' aliens come and take us to Jupiter or some crap this is where is going to happen, right? So therefore my logic is validified and yours isn't.

End of discussion about that.



Vague. And you're assuming what I've done or haven't done.



WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT, MR. STRAW MAN FALLACY!?! Thank you, try again.



You don't know s**t about this world apparently and you exist here(supposedly)! So don't come off as all high and mighty, pompous a** of the century. At least the other one wasn't a freakin' narrow sighted going on the interwebs and meeting people offline in person and putting themselves in possibly danger person like you. You can't even USE you're common sense to deal in this world (specially WITH THAT whole instance) so how can you know all this crap about some other place. I just don't believe you know anything about anything.

No I take that back, you know how to be gullible. And I think that's about it.



OMG! HAS THAT BEEN WHAT I'VE BEEN EXPLAINING! OH SHITE! She gets it now.



No you can't use your arguement because you're being, let's see

A) Vague
B) Talking about a war on this plane and then switching it up when I start using stuff about this plane and saying shite about astral crap and saying I don't know my a** from a hole in the ground.
C) Using you're own personal experiences and beliefs like they are fact and utterly refusing to admit that they ARE ALL THEORTICAL and NOT FACT.
D) Being quite frankly a snide, obnoxious, and basically a PRAT by basically implying you know ever ******** thing on this goddamn plane and the next one. I don't even try to imply that, because if I did, i'd be a god then. And damnit I don't like the right hand left hand what ever hand path that is because I think it's bullcrap. Obviously you don't.
E) You're inconsistant and constantly flip-flopping what you say.
F) I'm not even sure you're actually READING what I'm saying.
G) You use information that can be considered FALSE and WRONG and especially Hallicenations.
H) You use hallicenations as proof.
I) And I'm questioning now you're judgement and thinking capablities after that whole mess with the dude you met offline. You don't do that! That was a severe lapse in judgement. SEVERE!

My arguements are:

A) Specific. Usually giving a particular example.
B) Seeing through many different persepctives. I see through Hume's eyes, Descartes's, Plato's (and you do not want me bringing up plato's arguements because this all would be a s**t fest.), using a skeptics arguements, understanding most of what Sin-sin's theory is (though i think she added onto it), understanding that we are talking about something purely theortical, using facts and science to help boost my arguements, and I understand otherkin because this is the SAME SAME SAME SAME SAME Bullcrap that i was given about I dunno, the first month or so I was in witchcraft (or then as I thought I could be a solitary wiccan, wicca.) And I half heartedly believed in it, until I realized what a piece of crock it is.
C) I'm a realistic person. I use common sense.
D) Developed my own theories on the future, soul, and astral planes because I sat there and thought about it. I don't rely on anyone else, LIKE YOU DO (I should put that up there) for validation.
E) I question my sanity and my logic and my experiences constantly. Just so I know that what I'm asserting is what I.. ME, DF, THE PERSON BEHIND THIS AVATAR AND SCREEN KNOW, believe. BELIEVE. Some of my beliefs are more logically than otehrs. Such as the beliefs of universal rights of mankind, would be more logically than the belief of spirits. And yes, I believe in spirits, but I don't believe in otherkin at all. yes, I believe in souls and reincarnations and the reincarnation cycles, but I don't believe in otherkin at all. Just because I believe something one little thing, and I am not presenting them as fact or fiction, it's just a belief doesn't mean you can, which I know you were going to do because others like you have done, was say that "well since you believe such and such I don't understand why you don't believe what I'm trying to TELL you." Notice tell me. Tell = to DF that you are saying you're right I'm wrong adn that I have to go you're way or the highway and that's bullcrap.
F) I actually go through and QUOTE everything I'm responding to. So that I specifically address something and so that if it pops up another way or someone meant it the other way I can change from that phase of thinking to the next. I'm READING you're post. At least read mine.



You're fatal flaw is you can't prove anything exists at all. That you exist, than the world exists, and anything exists. or will exist after I die. Therefore anything you bring up is fake and I can deny it to be true. So, next time you try and argue theortical crap as if real, don't.

And don't just respond to me without taking a moment to sit back from you're computer and think about what I've said, because I will from now on, ignore anything you say, because it's false and it has no place on this planet because it's theortical and not fact.

And that's it. Where's the other dude? : D

DF signed off, so she wouldn't be so angry when she returned back on the guild. Because she was pretty mad at the end of the post. More or less it was frustration then anything and possibly exaperation. I specifically don't like being talked down to. Like I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. And that's what pissed me off the most. I am frank and I can be rude and that's just me and that's how I get my points across sometimes. Because if I'm upfront and in you're face you'll recognise it quicker than if I subtlely say something while patting you're hand. That's what Pajammies did, and you didn't get the point. So I'm trying my way.



Lol. It's not written down anywhere. Flaming =/= being rude. So it still doesn't matter. And anyway, you're "I'm greater than thou" whole attitude, if I was rude, was worse than me if anything. So if I'm booted out, thee should also be booted out for the same reason. Common Curt. My Foot.



Whoopie. You've been doing the same thing. Cheering on, What-his-face about pounding me, being snide and condescending, and being a general obnoxious person. I'm sarcastic and frank yes, but I'm at least not condescending to the point of in you're face "I'm better than you" condescending that you were. And that whole "Lol"ing crap just really irked me as well. You don't "Lol" in a discussion unless there's a pun involved or a joke.

Usually discussions are serious and we actually discuss. Instead of talking and saying beliefs as if they are fact and talking down to others when they go up against you because they must be stupid if they are argueing with you. That is, In my personal opinion, a type of flaming. :3



I know. But even, I'd probably still walk in their houses unless my entire shoe was like caked in fresh mud. Otherwise I wouldn't worry about it. And I don't like going into people's house. What they got in there might be scary. :: Nod::



It sounded like he already knew what you're vision was about. Ok well that's better. :3 ::thumbs up.::



I've never heard that? Is it genetic? Or have you had a lung take out already? =Interested=



Quite. Which is why, we should establish a line of understanding that this is all theortical. The way Sin-sin, You, and What's-his-face who changed the way he was saying it, were talking sounded like you were trying to make it a 'fact'. And it's not. :3



Yup. ^_^ Which is partly why I don't believe it to be real, is because of my questioning of my own reality. : D



No, you stated something else, and didn't establish this assumption. Now we can establish it.

Establish 1) The Planet Earth is real.

Ok, continueing.



You misunderstood me. First, I was only using my arguements as the world is real. But then after a while, I got tired of repeating myself, so I was like fruck it and introduced the idea that nothing is real, but me. Or at least exists but me. xD

But anyway, we've established as a discussionary on Otherkin that the world/Planet earth is real. No need to reestablish it, we are good to go. (I'll make a list at the bottom of the post of our establishments of the discussion. That way we all are on the same page.)



I'd be scared. xD People stalking me on the interwebs. I'm like the same way. if I eat something bad, it's kind of instant for me. I get sick in a hurry. One time, when I was little, we had just eatten at a restraunt right? Well we all went out shopping and I was good, until all the sudden my stomache started hurting and so I went to the bathroom, and as I was walking into the stall, I threw up. Then I stepped over the threw up and threw up again in the toilet. So very gross. But it's almost instant. My body's jerky like that. x3 Bad body. XD



Came off as bragging, was what I was saying. And then you stated that you weren't the best. You know, it's like "I'm good, here's my stuff this and this and that (bragging a bit) but I'm not the best". Kind of the cover your a** thing, which sometimes irkes me to death when people do it when i'm just talking to them. I just want to punch them in the belly and drag 'em outside, Lol. (Inside Job Joke.)



Ok, Establish 2) You, psychelapis, believe (this is your opinion) that you have ablilities.

Ok. :3 See it's good to this. We should have done this sooner. >/ But I didn't think about it till like right now. XD I'm slow. ;_;



Who was condecending? Who?



At, at, at. Out of context. There are fluffies in this guild, admit it. And they would be torn to shreds in ED. However if they were in GD and they went to TOWT, they'd only be scratched a wee bit. ED is rough. And that's why i go in there to laugh at people. Because well, I think ED is over rated, and I just think it's funny how some of them EDers think themselves high and might. And damnit, it's funny as crap when they tear someone down. Like, ok, I can see a stupid question. But.. a statement (as if it were fact) about Aliens and crap. That's when it's just too much fun to see them rip them down to pieces. It's funny. Admit it, you'd want to see it too.



At, at, at, who told me I know "s**t" about other planes. Who? Who was condescending?



Ok, as long as other people knew you were there and it wasn't just you know him. That's better. Don't scare DF like that. She thinks she needs to wrap you with bubble wrap and tie you down.



As long as he's meeting with other people as well as just you. It's ok. Because don't want you raping him. Or drugging him or something. xD Lol. (Jokenesses.)



I want to go to New York City, I've been to New York (family trip), but not to New York city, it would be cool. Just as long as other people know where you're at. Like I said, you effin' scared DF. Don't do that. DF has only three months to live - Ok DF is completely bullshiting right now, but still she didn't like to be scared like that. I have a cousin who's completely, no common sense at all. She'd walk into a trap faster than you can say smarty. Sometimes I think she'd enjoy it too.

Establish 3) psychelapis has common sense.




Establish 4) Psychelapis is a girl and so is DF and Dorian is a dude. : D



Establish 5) DF and Psychelapis believe the spirits and free will exists.



I suck at diviation. All my tarot card readings are so vague. I never get it. But they are always correct because I haven't actually had a full on test, so 8D they haven't been wrong. They are 0 and 0.



At least he's not... putting... himself in danger... oh shut up. xD Lol.



Establish 6) Psychelapis theortical-ness: there's a veil.

So how I just don't believe the whole veil thing. Because it would be kind of hard to astral project if there was something blocking you, you know. :3 Like in that Ant movie "Antz" where they are in a picnic and like there's a bag over the food and Z can't get to the food. That sort of thing.



*Are you mean?

Establish 7) Psychelapis theortical-ness: Energy will mess and phyisical matter behavior will change.

Can't say yea or nay.



Establish 8 ) Psychelapis theortical-ness: Realms merge = veil falling.

Could the Veil also merge with the two realms? theortically?



But even then, you'd still have to consider that some of the logic would remain the same. Like I doubt we'd be able to float, you know. But our ways of thinking probably would change. :: Sage nod::



Establish 9) Everything discussed now is theortical and not fact. :3



Now, now now, you can't say that until so called mergement happens. Then we'll see. Right now, my arguement holds.



Establish 10) The way to disprove/prove otherkinism is astral/philosophical.

And I've disproved them in that aspect as well. :3 About the whole other forms and stuff. biggrin I take the sum of the whole. Not parts of it.



Establish 11) Outside of theorticalness any astral/use of energy =(possibly) hallucination.

^_^



Right. So outside of the discussion it's considered to be false. Establish 11 holds fast. XD



And astral outside of the discussion is fake and unproveable. :3 Since it's theortical.



Establish 12) Psychelapis is not trying to 'convert" DF.

: D Which is good. :/ Df ish not good for the whole coverting thing.



You're assuming that I haven't done anything. I'm a witch, or at least that's the term one could use to simplistically describe me. xD Never assume with DF, she's weird and does things different.



I haven't called you a psycho. and I've already stated I don't expect people to believe any of my experience. Some people do because they know I'm not a BSer and what I say I see is what I think I saw. And that's acceptable. Some people don't believe me, and that's acceptable as well.

I don't believe anyone unless trust is earned. And I don't expect anyone to believe me either.



Because you were acting as if they were for sure facts. Thus it comes into play I use science facts. : D Establish 11) Still holds.



Establish 13) Psychelapis and DF have different beliefs about different things.



I work for me, and you work for you. I don't just call you a psycho just willy-nilly. I call myself insane, genius, crazy, and weird because that's what I am. But I rarely if ever call someone else those names. Because I know what it's like to be severely picked on.

However I will try and establish that you're belief are theortical by calling in the possiblity that they were/are fake. ^_^

Hey, I know what would be a good philosopher for you. Descartes, seriously. Hume's good too, but he ate all the philosophies about existance based on knowledge by thought and he stated only experiences are true.

Hume's cool, though. Even though i don't agree with everything he says.



Hey, Essay disproved them. The only one who stated anything about it agreed with mostly all of it. So right now I'm at the point that they are disproved. Until someone else brings something else that I haven't been given that I can't disprove.



Well see, I can prove I exist, because I exist. It's me. But you can't prove to me that you exist to me because you could be a figment of my imagenation or my brain. Even right now, you try to assert to me that you exist, but you can't prove it to my brain. xD But that's a whole other theory and I'm listing that as an establish. BTW that's a Descartes theory. : D XD Hume says nothing exists but experiences. So ::shurg::.



Establish 11) still holds. Because outside of the discussion it's false. ^_^ But since we've established our discussion, no need to repeat yourself about it.



Who was condescending? Who? Who told me I know "s**t"? :3



Correct. Stated that already. :3 Or at least touched on it.



Who was condescending? Who? Who started this off without establishing this was all theoritcal? You can't blame me for going in the very literal sense of everything since you were stating it as if was for sure a fact. :3 Establish 11) Still holds.



Logic is a fickle thing, and where have I stated that it accounts for everything. Philosophy is often linked with logic, but it's all a way of thinking of what everything is that exists.

xE Don't misintepret me.



Establish 14) Psychelapis has her own beliefs about her experiences.



I don't think it's about rationalization. It's more a questioning and then giving an certain answer. Rationalizing it would be like, well none of this crap exists at all, the end. I'm not like that, for as stated I believe in many things that are not rational.



Black and white is not always the way to go, correct. Which is why Establish 11) Still holds, though. :3



I wasn't going to reply if you hadn't bothered to actually sit down and think about what I said. Which you have. And who was condescending? Who? When presented to a different side of a coin, it seemed that you had already finished with what you had to say and wasn't going to accept anything else that anyone has stated. Specially me. A skeptics arguement usually has that effect for those who are somewhat insecure about something.

Christians. Homg... lol, you bring up how do they know that the King James version is correct when there are so many different versions of the bible and they freak out. Believe me. The christians hate me more than otherkins do. I'm like satan's little devil girl to them. xD

Our Establishments:

Establish 1) The Planet Earth is real.
Establish 2) You, psychelapis, believe (this is your opinion) that you have ablilities.
Establish 3) psychelapis has common sense.
Establish 4) Psychelapis is a girl and so is DF and Dorian is a dude. : D
Establish 5) DF and Psychelapis believe the spirits and free will exists.
Establish 6) Psychelapis theortical-ness: there's a veil.
Establish 7) Psychelapis theortical-ness: Energy will mess and phyisical matter behavior will change.
Establish 8 ) Psychelapis theortical-ness: Realms merge = veil falling.
Establish 9) Everything discussed now is theortical and not fact. :3
Establish 10) The way to disprove/prove otherkinism is astral/philosophical.
Establish 11) Outside of theorticalness any astral/use of energy =(possibly) hallucination.
Establish 12) Psychelapis is not trying to 'convert" DF.
Establish 13) Psychelapis and DF have different beliefs about different things.
Establish 14) Psychelapis has her own beliefs about her experiences.

Good?

And as a warning. I'm going to be gone a fair bit earlier today then usual.
And if I am lucky, tomorrow I will have enough time to read a fraction of one post you guys will have been likely to have made by the time I get home.

I have to attend alot of things tomorrow and I doubt I will have anytime to be social online.