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 Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:46 am
See?
This is why I once said that things like this shouldn't be talked about, because people will just argue/fight, but the only answer I got is that it's better to argue and if one gets angry it is hilarious.
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:14 pm
@Arc; it's better to discuss things and learn about other people's views than to just blindly remain ignorant with only one's own. I do think this is getting a wee bit heated and personal though.
gonk
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:44 pm
Warrax1 Valheita Would you prefer I said it was the difference between me and you then, rather than science and religion? Additionally, I fear you have misunderstood my arguments. I was not trying to prove your beliefs wrong at any point. I was merely stating why I felt that some of your reasonings were inappropriate in a debate. Perhaps, but there is little difference between me and you. The only difference is possibly that I'm sure of what I believe in because of the proof I've found. However, you may believe strongly in something of your own. In which case the difference is only in the conclusions we've reached. Mayhap my reasonings were innapropriate for such a debate, but I was just giving my opinion. I said as much to RiRi and that I may have gone about it the wrong way. Even now I still search for more proof, and so far I have kept finding it and my belief is bolstered with each piece of evidence I find. To say it in another way, I don't want someone to prove the existence or non-existence of God to me. I feel it better if we get as much knowledge as possible and come to our own conclusions, however, if the answers we look for are to be found with either science or religion, or philosophy or simple fact...then we should take the reasonings of all of those and still come up with our own answer. That would be based on what knowledge we have, our lives are fairly long and so there is enough time for us to each reach an answer which satisfies us. Nah, I don't strongly believe in anything. I'm a mercenary when it comes to belief. I'll believe the one with the strongest evidence. ... which is probably why pulling the experience card annoys me so. It's like a bidder offering to pay me in peanuts.
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:24 pm
Silly RiRi @Arc; it's better to discuss things and learn about other people's views than to just blindly remain ignorant with only one's own. I do think this is getting a wee bit heated and personal though.
gonk That's what I meant by argument. ;3 Sharing thoughts is what I say when talking about just talking about beliefs. :3
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:11 pm
Warrax1 You obviously were not paying attention to the whole discussion. There is only a lack of evidence in your eyes, and so you are entitled to your opinion of things. So.. Basically, you're saying take it as it is. Believe what you see or not. That's pretty much how the world turns. Honestly, I don't believe in a deity. It's just a man-made idea to me.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:29 pm
Flaratia Warrax1 You obviously were not paying attention to the whole discussion. There is only a lack of evidence in your eyes, and so you are entitled to your opinion of things. So.. Basically, you're saying take it as it is. Believe what you see or not. That's pretty much how the world turns. Honestly, I don't believe in a deity. It's just a man-made idea to me. Exactly, thank you for understanding. However, a frog in a well cannot conceive of the ocean.
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:47 pm
Yes I believe there is a god... religion/practice wise i m open minded
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:49 pm
Pardon if I don't join in the debate. I just want to answer the question.
I could make a huge convoluted post, but I won't. I don't want to argue the existence of something I believe in firmly. The question raised by the OP was whether or not God existed and I answer yes. He existed and He continues to exist.
I'm not here to convince anyone of anything and I'll leave it at that.
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:05 pm
No. I'm not an atheist, I just don't have a religion, but... I've very much a "... and how do you know he does exist" sort of person. I tend to question it just because there is no solid proof.
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:37 am
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Good video its very interesting and makes some good points. I think that theres a higher being than us. NOT SPECIFICALY GOD. but I don't think what the churchs are right. and i think that they have become or maybe always have been corrupt. But human's are going to get ours eventually. But like my mom always says humans as a whole are horrible but some individuals are good. stare
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:00 pm
*backs away before she rips someone's head off*
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:18 pm
my decision on whether there is a god or not is undecided, what i really want to know was when god became a "he" O_O didnt ppl use to say that god was not a man or a woman, that he was just a being of something? XD
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:54 am
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:39 am
Alisox *backs away before she rips someone's head off* You're that devout, eh?
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:17 am
I only read the first page rather that sort through all seven (*is lazy today*) so I apologize if this has already been covered but which God are we talking about here?
Even if we narrowed the vagarities of this question down to the Christian God, the question still remains of to which one is the OP referring?
The God of the Baptists is quite differently portrayed than the God of the Methodists. For that matter, the God of the Irish Catholics is perceived very differently than that of the Roman Catholic.
Further, if we go by the Torah and Bible, multiple gods are mentioned. "Elohim" is plural. JVH was one of many gods of the time but this was inconvenient for politic of many of the editors of the scripture through time so unless you pick up the Aremeic, Sanskrit or Hebrew versions the text is generally edited for it's offensive and inconvenient content.
So if the biblical scriptures are acknowledged as relevant to the existence of a "God" it must then be considered in context of the Gods, the Elohim.
Could the OP- or anyone- please define for the sake of the discussion what is this "god" and also to please define "existence"?
I don't mean to be all argumentatively existential here but merely by conceptualizing a "God," by the abstract notion and in naming the existence of said "God" has been created and exists, if only in the abstracted.
I think perhaps a more pertinent question is, does it really matter if there is a God/dess(s/es)?
Incidentally for Catholics in general the elected Pope is considered the Holy avatar of God on Earth according to the ministries of Saul the messiah hunter Paul the Apostle, so by extension is this question also asking if the Pope exists or is a valid office.
For the record I'm a polytheistic pagan and (semi-regularly) attend the Honolulu Shinto jinja for Izuchi-no Mikoto Okami, and drop by other shrines and altars as well.
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