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Tokioka

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:17 am


Niphredil Ithilmir
Nooo.

In the Ukraine, in 1993, to try and pay back loads of Russian debt, the gov't printed banknotes like crazy and the inflation that year in the Ukraine was 4750%. I'm not kidding. (have to research Ukrainian history as I'm representing them in MUN)

CH? ninja

Bottom line is that no country wants to risk their own economy for anyone else. Call it self-preservation, call it greed. *shrug
That sort of mega inflation happened in Germany after the first world war. Put simply, Germany got screwed. confused
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:35 pm


Yup. Treaty of Versailles and all that. Pretty much led to WWII. rolleyes

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BlacksandBlues

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:33 pm


Niphredil Ithilmir
Yup. Treaty of Versailles and all that. Pretty much led to WWII. rolleyes


Yesh yesh... twas silly.... sad I learnt that last year... My memory only remembers snippets. xd
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:04 pm


Raioga
Darkaznstargoddess
XD Well said Niph!
ED.. I think it sounds the same..

We would have to consider the economical effect.. ninja
The usa does have it's own problems to worry about..
If we print too much money there is a inflation beacuse the goverment has to have gold enought reserves to back up it's money or else it's worthless..

The usa isn't the richest country in the world either.. I don't see why they should be the one to have to attempt to feed the whole world. It's just not possible..

Hm.. I wonder where CH has been latley..


Ther is nothing bad with a 5% inflation. I wouldn't mind. So let the gov. print more money

Eh..
Eh.. A 5% inflation would definitly hurt our economy and lead more people to poverty.. I believe it would have to be over a 5% inflation to even make such an action possible even..
You wouldn't mind but I would and so would several millions of people too..

Do some reserach on american history first..
After WWI the usa had a major inflation.. Ironic about what happens next? The usa enters a state called the great depression..
Why?
1. Inflation effect..
A. Living cost was increased
B. Worker's wages had to be increased so they could keep up but companies couldn't afford to do so and keep all their employees employed due to the increase in operating cost..

To do something as stupid as inflate the usa money right now.. I highly doubt any of the politicians that supported it will be in office after the next elections. A small percentage of the population are actually wealth while most of us are middle class..
Most of us entering university have to take out loans to even afford it or seek goverment assistance.. Tutition fees keep going up.. <<;

Right now the USA goverment is in debt..

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Niphredil Ithilmir

PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:52 pm


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yalie5

PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:15 pm


Darkaznstargoddess
Raioga
Darkaznstargoddess
XD Well said Niph!
ED.. I think it sounds the same..

We would have to consider the economical effect.. ninja
The usa does have it's own problems to worry about..
If we print too much money there is a inflation beacuse the goverment has to have gold enought reserves to back up it's money or else it's worthless..

The usa isn't the richest country in the world either.. I don't see why they should be the one to have to attempt to feed the whole world. It's just not possible..

Hm.. I wonder where CH has been latley..


Ther is nothing bad with a 5% inflation. I wouldn't mind. So let the gov. print more money

Eh..
Eh.. A 5% inflation would definitly hurt our economy and lead more people to poverty.. I believe it would have to be over a 5% inflation to even make such an action possible even..
You wouldn't mind but I would and so would several millions of people too..

Do some reserach on american history first..
After WWI the usa had a major inflation.. Ironic about what happens next? The usa enters a state called the great depression..
Why?
1. Inflation effect..
A. Living cost was increased
B. Worker's wages had to be increased so they could keep up but companies couldn't afford to do so and keep all their employees employed due to the increase in operating cost..

To do something as stupid as inflate the usa money right now.. I highly doubt any of the politicians that supported it will be in office after the next elections. A small percentage of the population are actually wealth while most of us are middle class..
Most of us entering university have to take out loans to even afford it or seek goverment assistance.. Tutition fees keep going up.. <<;

Right now the USA goverment is in debt..

The U.S. has always been in debt, except for that one time in the mid 1800's. that was the only time the u.S. was not in debt.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:13 pm


yalie5
Darkaznstargoddess
Raioga
Darkaznstargoddess
XD Well said Niph!
ED.. I think it sounds the same..

We would have to consider the economical effect.. ninja
The usa does have it's own problems to worry about..
If we print too much money there is a inflation beacuse the goverment has to have gold enought reserves to back up it's money or else it's worthless..

The usa isn't the richest country in the world either.. I don't see why they should be the one to have to attempt to feed the whole world. It's just not possible..

Hm.. I wonder where CH has been latley..


Ther is nothing bad with a 5% inflation. I wouldn't mind. So let the gov. print more money

Eh..
Eh.. A 5% inflation would definitly hurt our economy and lead more people to poverty.. I believe it would have to be over a 5% inflation to even make such an action possible even..
You wouldn't mind but I would and so would several millions of people too..

Do some reserach on american history first..
After WWI the usa had a major inflation.. Ironic about what happens next? The usa enters a state called the great depression..
Why?
1. Inflation effect..
A. Living cost was increased
B. Worker's wages had to be increased so they could keep up but companies couldn't afford to do so and keep all their employees employed due to the increase in operating cost..

To do something as stupid as inflate the usa money right now.. I highly doubt any of the politicians that supported it will be in office after the next elections. A small percentage of the population are actually wealth while most of us are middle class..
Most of us entering university have to take out loans to even afford it or seek goverment assistance.. Tutition fees keep going up.. <<;

Right now the USA goverment is in debt..

The U.S. has always been in debt, except for that one time in the mid 1800's. that was the only time the u.S. was not in debt.

True but it's still amazing to take a look at how much we're in right now..

Niph ~ xd Yay for a source finally!

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Raioga

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:40 am


Darkaznstargoddess
yalie5
Darkaznstargoddess
Raioga
Darkaznstargoddess
XD Well said Niph!
ED.. I think it sounds the same..

We would have to consider the economical effect.. ninja
The usa does have it's own problems to worry about..
If we print too much money there is a inflation beacuse the goverment has to have gold enought reserves to back up it's money or else it's worthless..

The usa isn't the richest country in the world either.. I don't see why they should be the one to have to attempt to feed the whole world. It's just not possible..

Hm.. I wonder where CH has been latley..


Ther is nothing bad with a 5% inflation. I wouldn't mind. So let the gov. print more money

Eh..
Eh.. A 5% inflation would definitly hurt our economy and lead more people to poverty.. I believe it would have to be over a 5% inflation to even make such an action possible even..
You wouldn't mind but I would and so would several millions of people too..

Do some reserach on american history first..
After WWI the usa had a major inflation.. Ironic about what happens next? The usa enters a state called the great depression..
Why?
1. Inflation effect..
A. Living cost was increased
B. Worker's wages had to be increased so they could keep up but companies couldn't afford to do so and keep all their employees employed due to the increase in operating cost..

To do something as stupid as inflate the usa money right now.. I highly doubt any of the politicians that supported it will be in office after the next elections. A small percentage of the population are actually wealth while most of us are middle class..
Most of us entering university have to take out loans to even afford it or seek goverment assistance.. Tutition fees keep going up.. <<;

Right now the USA goverment is in debt..

The U.S. has always been in debt, except for that one time in the mid 1800's. that was the only time the u.S. was not in debt.

True but it's still amazing to take a look at how much we're in right now..

Niph ~ xd Yay for a source finally!


Inflation hurts those who have a lot of money.
Government earns. It can distribute it, so that there are no poor
PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:19 am


Raioga
Darkaznstargoddess
yalie5
Darkaznstargoddess
Raioga
Darkaznstargoddess
XD Well said Niph!
ED.. I think it sounds the same..

We would have to consider the economical effect.. ninja
The usa does have it's own problems to worry about..
If we print too much money there is a inflation beacuse the goverment has to have gold enought reserves to back up it's money or else it's worthless..

The usa isn't the richest country in the world either.. I don't see why they should be the one to have to attempt to feed the whole world. It's just not possible..

Hm.. I wonder where CH has been latley..


Ther is nothing bad with a 5% inflation. I wouldn't mind. So let the gov. print more money

Eh..
Eh.. A 5% inflation would definitly hurt our economy and lead more people to poverty.. I believe it would have to be over a 5% inflation to even make such an action possible even..
You wouldn't mind but I would and so would several millions of people too..

Do some reserach on american history first..
After WWI the usa had a major inflation.. Ironic about what happens next? The usa enters a state called the great depression..
Why?
1. Inflation effect..
A. Living cost was increased
B. Worker's wages had to be increased so they could keep up but companies couldn't afford to do so and keep all their employees employed due to the increase in operating cost..

To do something as stupid as inflate the usa money right now.. I highly doubt any of the politicians that supported it will be in office after the next elections. A small percentage of the population are actually wealth while most of us are middle class..
Most of us entering university have to take out loans to even afford it or seek goverment assistance.. Tutition fees keep going up.. <<;

Right now the USA goverment is in debt..

The U.S. has always been in debt, except for that one time in the mid 1800's. that was the only time the u.S. was not in debt.

True but it's still amazing to take a look at how much we're in right now..

Niph ~ xd Yay for a source finally!


Inflation hurts those who have a lot of money.
Government earns. It can distribute it, so that there are no poor

Again another ideal that wouldn't work out..
It would be shot down rather fast.
Honestly, the usa goverment wouldn't redistribute the money like that, they would have to be rather stupid to try to pull something like that off..
1. Most of our politicians are rich.
2. Individualism.
3. Fears of communism.
4. Has there been a country that has pulled off such a thing without problems?
Lobbiest and the rich are rather influencial..

In general, I don't think that ideal is even fair at all, you work yourself to your riches to have someone else take it away then give it to some poor person doesn't work as hard as you. It takes away all the point of hard work and competition.

Mean inflation, the poor do suffer more.. They'd have to pay more along with the other classes too..

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Raioga

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:47 am


Darkaznstargoddess
Raioga
Darkaznstargoddess
yalie5
Darkaznstargoddess

Eh..
Eh.. A 5% inflation would definitly hurt our economy and lead more people to poverty.. I believe it would have to be over a 5% inflation to even make such an action possible even..
You wouldn't mind but I would and so would several millions of people too..

Do some reserach on american history first..
After WWI the usa had a major inflation.. Ironic about what happens next? The usa enters a state called the great depression..
Why?
1. Inflation effect..
A. Living cost was increased
B. Worker's wages had to be increased so they could keep up but companies couldn't afford to do so and keep all their employees employed due to the increase in operating cost..

To do something as stupid as inflate the usa money right now.. I highly doubt any of the politicians that supported it will be in office after the next elections. A small percentage of the population are actually wealth while most of us are middle class..
Most of us entering university have to take out loans to even afford it or seek goverment assistance.. Tutition fees keep going up.. <<;

Right now the USA goverment is in debt..

The U.S. has always been in debt, except for that one time in the mid 1800's. that was the only time the u.S. was not in debt.

True but it's still amazing to take a look at how much we're in right now..

Niph ~ xd Yay for a source finally!


Inflation hurts those who have a lot of money.
Government earns. It can distribute it, so that there are no poor

Again another ideal that wouldn't work out..
It would be shot down rather fast.
Honestly, the usa goverment wouldn't redistribute the money like that, they would have to be rather stupid to try to pull something like that off..
1. Most of our politicians are rich.
2. Individualism.
3. Fears of communism.
4. Has there been a country that has pulled off such a thing without problems?
Lobbiest and the rich are rather influencial..

In general, I don't think that ideal is even fair at all, you work yourself to your riches to have someone else take it away then give it to some poor person doesn't work as hard as you. It takes away all the point of hard work and competition.

Mean inflation, the poor do suffer more.. They'd have to pay more along with the other classes too..


It works well in Europe, but there is a low inflation. Taking from rich and giving to poor doesn't mean communism, but a social State. Germany and France are examples of ''Social States''.

In USA the people are a tool of the government to get wealthy.
(Fighting wars, taking lands, producing weapons etc.)

In EU the government is a tool of the people to get wealthy.
(Ensuring education and health care, life long security, unemployment benefits, public transport, public companies)
PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:59 pm


Raioga
Darkaznstargoddess
Raioga
Darkaznstargoddess
yalie5
Darkaznstargoddess

Eh..
Eh.. A 5% inflation would definitly hurt our economy and lead more people to poverty.. I believe it would have to be over a 5% inflation to even make such an action possible even..
You wouldn't mind but I would and so would several millions of people too..

Do some reserach on american history first..
After WWI the usa had a major inflation.. Ironic about what happens next? The usa enters a state called the great depression..
Why?
1. Inflation effect..
A. Living cost was increased
B. Worker's wages had to be increased so they could keep up but companies couldn't afford to do so and keep all their employees employed due to the increase in operating cost..

To do something as stupid as inflate the usa money right now.. I highly doubt any of the politicians that supported it will be in office after the next elections. A small percentage of the population are actually wealth while most of us are middle class..
Most of us entering university have to take out loans to even afford it or seek goverment assistance.. Tutition fees keep going up.. <<;

Right now the USA goverment is in debt..

The U.S. has always been in debt, except for that one time in the mid 1800's. that was the only time the u.S. was not in debt.

True but it's still amazing to take a look at how much we're in right now..

Niph ~ xd Yay for a source finally!


Inflation hurts those who have a lot of money.
Government earns. It can distribute it, so that there are no poor

Again another ideal that wouldn't work out..
It would be shot down rather fast.
Honestly, the usa goverment wouldn't redistribute the money like that, they would have to be rather stupid to try to pull something like that off..
1. Most of our politicians are rich.
2. Individualism.
3. Fears of communism.
4. Has there been a country that has pulled off such a thing without problems?
Lobbiest and the rich are rather influencial..

In general, I don't think that ideal is even fair at all, you work yourself to your riches to have someone else take it away then give it to some poor person doesn't work as hard as you. It takes away all the point of hard work and competition.

Mean inflation, the poor do suffer more.. They'd have to pay more along with the other classes too..


It works well in Europe, but there is a low inflation. Taking from rich and giving to poor doesn't mean communism, but a social State. Germany and France are examples of ''Social States''.

In USA the people are a tool of the government to get wealthy.
(Fighting wars, taking lands, producing weapons etc.)

In EU the government is a tool of the people to get wealthy.
(Ensuring education and health care, life long security, unemployment benefits, public transport, public companies)

What do you mean when you say for goverment ot get wealthy?
Politicians are paided a fixed annual income.

While everything else the EU goverment seems to be imposing sounds similar to the usa's social security plan. The goverment does use some of the money to fund education and other programs in the usa.

Fiscal budget for usa 2006

But for the changes you are proposing, it takes time to make change and for change to happen is mainly support from the people to want change.

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Raioga

PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:11 am


Darkaznstargoddess
Raioga
Darkaznstargoddess
Raioga
Darkaznstargoddess

True but it's still amazing to take a look at how much we're in right now..

Niph ~ xd Yay for a source finally!


Inflation hurts those who have a lot of money.
Government earns. It can distribute it, so that there are no poor

Again another ideal that wouldn't work out..
It would be shot down rather fast.
Honestly, the usa goverment wouldn't redistribute the money like that, they would have to be rather stupid to try to pull something like that off..
1. Most of our politicians are rich.
2. Individualism.
3. Fears of communism.
4. Has there been a country that has pulled off such a thing without problems?
Lobbiest and the rich are rather influencial..

In general, I don't think that ideal is even fair at all, you work yourself to your riches to have someone else take it away then give it to some poor person doesn't work as hard as you. It takes away all the point of hard work and competition.

Mean inflation, the poor do suffer more.. They'd have to pay more along with the other classes too..


It works well in Europe, but there is a low inflation. Taking from rich and giving to poor doesn't mean communism, but a social State. Germany and France are examples of ''Social States''.

In USA the people are a tool of the government to get wealthy.
(Fighting wars, taking lands, producing weapons etc.)

In EU the government is a tool of the people to get wealthy.
(Ensuring education and health care, life long security, unemployment benefits, public transport, public companies)

What do you mean when you say for goverment ot get wealthy?
Politicians are paided a fixed annual income.

While everything else the EU goverment seems to be imposing sounds similar to the usa's social security plan. The goverment does use some of the money to fund education and other programs in the usa.

Fiscal budget for usa 2006

But for the changes you are proposing, it takes time to make change and for change to happen is mainly support from the people to want change.


I meant that governments (so the leaders and politicians) want to take over lands, gain influence in other countries, and get huge bribes/ earn a lot, so they can retire with billions on their accounts.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:07 pm


My dear Raioga, a little reality check for you. As much as we, the public and the skeptic media like to try and incriminate the people who lead our country, sometimes it can go a little too far. And while I agree that certain western gov'ts do invade countries randomly and earn a lot, perhaps accusing them of getting huge bribes and retiring as billionaires is a little OTT. Don't be caught in gov't propaganda, but don't be caught in the 'I'm anti-gov't and therefore I'm cooler than you because I pretend to understand things' camp either.

Erm. I believe the US has healthcare. And education. And a damn lot more life long security than people in, say, Somali, where they're still being blown up by their neighbours' children.

Yay for sources. And medals.

Serious inflation hurts everyone, not just the rich. The theory is simple: if you print more money and if there's more money around, then the money is worth less. And that will hurt people who have less money in the first place much more than those who have more.

Niphredil Ithilmir


Raioga

PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:46 am


Niphredil Ithilmir
My dear Raioga, a little reality check for you. As much as we, the public and the skeptic media like to try and incriminate the people who lead our country, sometimes it can go a little too far. And while I agree that certain western gov'ts do invade countries randomly and earn a lot, perhaps accusing them of getting huge bribes and retiring as billionaires is a little OTT. Don't be caught in gov't propaganda, but don't be caught in the 'I'm anti-gov't and therefore I'm cooler than you because I pretend to understand things' camp either.

Erm. I believe the US has healthcare. And education. And a damn lot more life long security than people in, say, Somali, where they're still being blown up by their neighbours' children.

Yay for sources. And medals.

Serious inflation hurts everyone, not just the rich. The theory is simple: if you print more money and if there's more money around, then the money is worth less. And that will hurt people who have less money in the first place much more than those who have more.


Not quite right. It hurts everyone the same. Everyone will loose 10% of value lets say.

This money will be in governments hands, so it can be used for services like education health care social security, gov. job creation...
This benefits the poor more.

Or do you disagree?
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