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 Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 11:53 pm
ZeRgII divineseraph ZeRgII Shadows-shine That's fine and dandy that the man cannot tell a woman what to do with her body, but the baby within the body is NOT the woman's body. It's a totally separate being from her. It's not some parasite that needs to be removed and thrown out. It's a human being! parasite: something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/parasiteIf it's unwanted, it's a parasite. Also, zygote and embryo =/= human. Fetus=/= human. Try basic biology. What you cited was the third definition down, and a colloquial definition at that. To be a parasite, it must be of a different species. Again, try basic biology. A fetus is a human. If I didn't want to be pregnant, and to have something feeding of my nutrient, I wouldn't want to keep it. Yes, if in biology point of view, different specie would consider as a parasite. Please don't tempt me to go dig for my Bio II text book. wink Fetus is less likely to survive outside the womb, but with the medical advancement; many premies have survived. However fetus =/= infant, that's what I meant to type earlier. If you look at a goat fetus, you can make it out as a goat, but you wouldn't consider it as a "baby" goat. It's just a fetus. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a cold hearted human being. I don't agree with abortion beyond first trimester. I also understand that some women don't even know that they're pregnant, but that's a different topic. If you wanna get it done, get it done quick. Back to original topic. I still firmly believe in the right of woman's body and decision. What you want is irrelevant when a life is on the line. Some people wanted free labor. Slavery is still wrong. I won't tempt you. But I could say that on this issue, you are a christian, in your concern for others. Last definition from my source. http://www.answers.com/topic/christianAnd infant =/= adult. An infant is a later-term fetus outside of the womb. A later term fetus is an earlier fetus slightly in the past. The point is, a human is a human is a human. Inside or outside, once it exists, it exists. Once it exists, it is alive and it is not our right to kill it. I still firmly believe that it is wrong to kill people.
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 12:54 am
divineseraph ZeRgII divineseraph ZeRgII Shadows-shine That's fine and dandy that the man cannot tell a woman what to do with her body, but the baby within the body is NOT the woman's body. It's a totally separate being from her. It's not some parasite that needs to be removed and thrown out. It's a human being! parasite: something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/parasiteIf it's unwanted, it's a parasite. Also, zygote and embryo =/= human. Fetus=/= human. Try basic biology. What you cited was the third definition down, and a colloquial definition at that. To be a parasite, it must be of a different species. Again, try basic biology. A fetus is a human. If I didn't want to be pregnant, and to have something feeding of my nutrient, I wouldn't want to keep it. Yes, if in biology point of view, different specie would consider as a parasite. Please don't tempt me to go dig for my Bio II text book. wink Fetus is less likely to survive outside the womb, but with the medical advancement; many premies have survived. However fetus =/= infant, that's what I meant to type earlier. If you look at a goat fetus, you can make it out as a goat, but you wouldn't consider it as a "baby" goat. It's just a fetus. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a cold hearted human being. I don't agree with abortion beyond first trimester. I also understand that some women don't even know that they're pregnant, but that's a different topic. If you wanna get it done, get it done quick. Back to original topic. I still firmly believe in the right of woman's body and decision. What you want is irrelevant when a life is on the line. Some people wanted free labor. Slavery is still wrong. I won't tempt you. But I could say that on this issue, you are a christian, in your concern for others. Last definition from my source. http://www.answers.com/topic/christianAnd infant =/= adult. An infant is a later-term fetus outside of the womb. A later term fetus is an earlier fetus slightly in the past. The point is, a human is a human is a human. Inside or outside, once it exists, it exists. Once it exists, it is alive and it is not our right to kill it. I still firmly believe that it is wrong to kill people. lol This is odd. I have no idea that I left impression as a Christian. rofl Sorry, it's just funny. Anyway, I agree that it's wrong to kill people, but zygote and embryo aren't people. After first trimester, it is hard to justify, but if the person doesn't want to keep it; it's their choice. You can also say that they could have used birth control and be responsible. I'm aware that there are people that use abortion as birth control method. There are women who went through 5+ abortion and counting, but to think about it. Add five unwanted children to the world. What kind of life is it if those children don't get the proper care and education? Ultimately, the fetus is using the body of a woman, if she doesn't want it then it's her choice.
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 6:46 pm
divineseraph buggsie blue Shadows-shine That's fine and dandy that the man cannot tell a woman what to do with her body, but the baby within the body is NOT the woman's body. It's a totally separate being from her. It's not some parasite that needs to be removed and thrown out. It's a human being! So what if it's a human? I'm not gonna let some teenager, or other person who don't want the brat have it. It's not like women get pregnant for the hell of it. I know about ten people, including myself, who would commit suicide if we had to have a brat, let alone be pregnant. Pregnancy is disgusting and no one should ever have to go through it if they don't want to. (edit): most moms where I live are like, 16, so hence the "teenager". So what if it's a human? That's it. It's a human. So what if it's a human, those jews are ruining our German economy! To the concentration camp it is, amirite? Who cares if it's a human? It's proven that slave labor is the most efficient way to build a strong economy and produce the most amount of goods. Blacks, back to the field with you, amirite? If being a human being is irrelevant, by all means, let's go all out with it. If you would rather commit suicide than not kill someone else, I'll supply the gun and the bullets, assuming you want the fast track to the afterlife. Who cares if they're Jews. Kill anyone who ******** up the economy. Better yet just kill everyone. A foetus is not a person. I'd rather not commit suicide than kill soneome else. Homicide before suicide, unless, like in the situatution of a brat, I'd have to do both at the same time.
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 8:30 pm
ZeRgII divineseraph ZeRgII divineseraph ZeRgII Shadows-shine That's fine and dandy that the man cannot tell a woman what to do with her body, but the baby within the body is NOT the woman's body. It's a totally separate being from her. It's not some parasite that needs to be removed and thrown out. It's a human being! parasite: something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/parasiteIf it's unwanted, it's a parasite. Also, zygote and embryo =/= human. Fetus=/= human. Try basic biology. What you cited was the third definition down, and a colloquial definition at that. To be a parasite, it must be of a different species. Again, try basic biology. A fetus is a human. If I didn't want to be pregnant, and to have something feeding of my nutrient, I wouldn't want to keep it. Yes, if in biology point of view, different specie would consider as a parasite. Please don't tempt me to go dig for my Bio II text book. wink Fetus is less likely to survive outside the womb, but with the medical advancement; many premies have survived. However fetus =/= infant, that's what I meant to type earlier. If you look at a goat fetus, you can make it out as a goat, but you wouldn't consider it as a "baby" goat. It's just a fetus. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a cold hearted human being. I don't agree with abortion beyond first trimester. I also understand that some women don't even know that they're pregnant, but that's a different topic. If you wanna get it done, get it done quick. Back to original topic. I still firmly believe in the right of woman's body and decision. What you want is irrelevant when a life is on the line. Some people wanted free labor. Slavery is still wrong. I won't tempt you. But I could say that on this issue, you are a christian, in your concern for others. Last definition from my source. http://www.answers.com/topic/christianAnd infant =/= adult. An infant is a later-term fetus outside of the womb. A later term fetus is an earlier fetus slightly in the past. The point is, a human is a human is a human. Inside or outside, once it exists, it exists. Once it exists, it is alive and it is not our right to kill it. I still firmly believe that it is wrong to kill people. lol This is odd. I have no idea that I left impression as a Christian. rofl Sorry, it's just funny. Anyway, I agree that it's wrong to kill people, but zygote and embryo aren't people. After first trimester, it is hard to justify, but if the person doesn't want to keep it; it's their choice. You can also say that they could have used birth control and be responsible. I'm aware that there are people that use abortion as birth control method. There are women who went through 5+ abortion and counting, but to think about it. Add five unwanted children to the world. What kind of life is it if those children don't get the proper care and education? Ultimately, the fetus is using the body of a woman, if she doesn't want it then it's her choice. I was being ironic. It is a human being, personhood is a legal idea that has, in the past, excluded jews, blacks and women. Meaning, personhood is irrelevant. Who are you to say what kind of life it is or is not? Growing up black and poor in America is terrible. Let's kill black toddlers in lower-income families. That's a terrible life, statistically doomed to poverty. Toddlers because their brains aren't developed enough to have significant memories or personalities, and should therefore not be considered people. Nobody has the choice to kill another human being. Still.
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 8:31 pm
buggsie blue divineseraph buggsie blue Shadows-shine That's fine and dandy that the man cannot tell a woman what to do with her body, but the baby within the body is NOT the woman's body. It's a totally separate being from her. It's not some parasite that needs to be removed and thrown out. It's a human being! So what if it's a human? I'm not gonna let some teenager, or other person who don't want the brat have it. It's not like women get pregnant for the hell of it. I know about ten people, including myself, who would commit suicide if we had to have a brat, let alone be pregnant. Pregnancy is disgusting and no one should ever have to go through it if they don't want to. (edit): most moms where I live are like, 16, so hence the "teenager". So what if it's a human? That's it. It's a human. So what if it's a human, those jews are ruining our German economy! To the concentration camp it is, amirite? Who cares if it's a human? It's proven that slave labor is the most efficient way to build a strong economy and produce the most amount of goods. Blacks, back to the field with you, amirite? If being a human being is irrelevant, by all means, let's go all out with it. If you would rather commit suicide than not kill someone else, I'll supply the gun and the bullets, assuming you want the fast track to the afterlife. Who cares if they're Jews. Kill anyone who ******** up the economy. Better yet just kill everyone. A foetus is not a person. I'd rather not commit suicide than kill soneome else. Homicide before suicide, unless, like in the situatution of a brat, I'd have to do both at the same time. Do me a favor and try the suicide option sometime. The world is overpopulated as it is, right? And you're certainly a brat. So start with yourself.
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 9:03 pm
buggsie blue divineseraph buggsie blue Shadows-shine That's fine and dandy that the man cannot tell a woman what to do with her body, but the baby within the body is NOT the woman's body. It's a totally separate being from her. It's not some parasite that needs to be removed and thrown out. It's a human being! So what if it's a human? I'm not gonna let some teenager, or other person who don't want the brat have it. It's not like women get pregnant for the hell of it. I know about ten people, including myself, who would commit suicide if we had to have a brat, let alone be pregnant. Pregnancy is disgusting and no one should ever have to go through it if they don't want to. (edit): most moms where I live are like, 16, so hence the "teenager". So what if it's a human? That's it. It's a human. So what if it's a human, those jews are ruining our German economy! To the concentration camp it is, amirite? Who cares if it's a human? It's proven that slave labor is the most efficient way to build a strong economy and produce the most amount of goods. Blacks, back to the field with you, amirite? If being a human being is irrelevant, by all means, let's go all out with it. If you would rather commit suicide than not kill someone else, I'll supply the gun and the bullets, assuming you want the fast track to the afterlife. Who cares if they're Jews. Kill anyone who ******** up the economy. Better yet just kill everyone. A foetus is not a person. I'd rather not commit suicide than kill soneome else. Homicide before suicide, unless, like in the situatution of a brat, I'd have to do both at the same time.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:02 pm
Okay. I support abortion only in rape and incest cases. If the husband is a controlling a*****e who doesn't want or forces his wife to carry a child to term there is a good chance he's abusing her in other ways too. If neither wants the child there's always adoption. But that process can be just as cruel as neglection.
When a man can pass an 8-10 pound kidney stone naturally he'll understand the pain women have to endure. That is when he gets his say. How do you think she got pregnant in the first place. It takes two to tango and make a mess out of life. So if the man doesn't want the child and won't take responsibility, then let him be flogged in public. The least he can do is pay the child support because he wasn't stuck with a crying child who needs to go through school, he wasn't stuck with the hospital bills after the birth, and he wasn't stuck being a single parent trying to find jobs to support themselves and the child.
Yes there are health risks for pregnancy but there are also risks for abortion. For instance you can become barren and unable to bear children when you want to with the person you want. You could die due to veins being cut wrong and hemoraging. Where are the most abortions coming from? Teenagers. Teenagers who are experimenting. Sure we have sex ed but contraceptives only work part of the time. The only way to not become pregnant in the first place is-brace yourselves-abstinence. NO SEX!!! Which means keep your pants on you stupid kids and you won't have to worry.
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Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:18 pm
Ok, so I've seen a lot of you saying things about how the father has no right to choose in the matter of weather a child is borne or not, and that the woman is the only one who can choose because of what it can do to her body. Has anyone ever thought of what an abortion could do to the psychological well being of the man? Yes, the entire process takes place in the body of the woman, but in may cases of men, it was not their choice to have the abortion happen. I think that it should go like this, if you have consensual sex with a partner and it results in pregnancy, then you should have to have to consent of both the mother and the father for an abortion. In the event that one of the parties dose not want the abortion to happen, then that party will be considered the legal parent and guardian of that child. The parent that did not want the child should not be held responsible for the child...including child support. If both parents sign that they want a part in the child's life, then they would be required to work out some sort of child support and custody agreement. Is it perfect? No, but it seems to be better than what everyone else has been offering.
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:47 pm
Here's how I see it:
If the pregnancy has a high risk of killing the baby or the mother, then allow the abortion if the mother wants it.
If the pregnancy has a low risk of killing the baby or the mother, then allow the abortion if the mother AND father wants it. If the Father wants the child, give the child to the father. If you don't want the baby because you don't want to be with the Father and you don't want the baby and the father does, leave it in the hands of the Father and have HER pay child support.
I feel these terms are fair. Am I correct?
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:56 pm
pantherdor Okay. I support abortion only in rape and incest cases. i don't even in those cases. i only support it in cases of serious health risk to either the mothr or the fetus. though i sympathize with the pro-choicers. Quote: If the husband is a controlling a*****e who doesn't want or forces his wife to carry a child to term there is a good chance he's abusing her in other ways too. If neither wants the child there's always adoption. But that process can be just as cruel as neglection. i'm pretty sure this discussion was about when a man wants to have the child but the mother wants to abort it. he doesn't have any legal say in it, which is bullshit. the argument you are putting up is a common one we've all heard before. Quote: When a man can pass an 8-10 pound kidney stone naturally he'll understand the pain women have to endure. That is when he gets his say. How do you think she got pregnant in the first place. It takes two to tango and make a mess out of life. So if the man doesn't want the child and won't take responsibility, then let him be flogged in public. The least he can do is pay the child support because he wasn't stuck with a crying child who needs to go through school, he wasn't stuck with the hospital bills after the birth, and he wasn't stuck being a single parent trying to find jobs to support themselves and the child. exactly. so.... what happens when the father wants his kid, and doesn't want his frightened baby-mama to say "to hell with you" and kill the baby? has that ever popped up in your mind? or do you think all cases of the man wanting a say in whether their kid lives or dies is when they wanna opt out of parenthood? stare some of us feel cheated out of our offspring. Quote: Yes there are health risks for pregnancy but there are also risks for abortion. For instance you can become barren and unable to bear children when you want to with the person you want. You could die due to veins being cut wrong and hemoraging. Where are the most abortions coming from? Teenagers. Teenagers who are experimenting. Sure we have sex ed but contraceptives only work part of the time. The only way to not become pregnant in the first place is-brace yourselves-abstinence. NO SEX!!! Which means keep your pants on you stupid kids and you won't have to worry. well now.... i see someone is very righteous. are you saying that teenagers are never ready to have sex, or am i misinterpreting you? also, i think you are getting alot of the data wrong and/or exaggerated.
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:20 am
WOW!
It still boggles my mind to see that people have devolved human children in the womb to parasite status.
Do they not teach the effects pregnancy has on a woman's body anymore in school? Or do you guys just not pay attention?
Yeah, it makes a woman a bit ungainly in the last trimester, and it isn't the most comfortable state of existence, but that doesn't make a baby a parasite.
When a woman is pregnant, her immune system is boosted, her body becomes more efficient at absorbing nutrients for herself as well as passing on to the child. Yes, this helps the baby, but it's not like she doesn't reap the rewards as well, if she is taking care of herself, and she was healthy to begin with.
A woman's body ceases the monthly tear up of her ovaries, and her risks of ovarian cancer decreases significantly. Also, for every child a woman has, her risk at breast cancer drops significantly as well. A woman's risk at bone and other womanly cancers drop significantly as well.
When a woman is pregnant, her body fortifies itself from the inside out. Her cells themselves become little factories working overtime to get her ready, and she, if healthy, experiences the "glow" where even her skin begins renewing itself as her body gets a jump start of natural (and healthy) HGH, endorphines, and other good hormones and proteins.
A woman's body is biologically structured to produce offspring. Nature has equipped so many rewards for women who do produce. If anything, having a child in the womb is a symbiotic relationship of mother and child.
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:24 am
The risks of pregnancy has significantly declined in the last century. There is more risk to a person's health in driving a car to work everyday than there is in a woman becoming pregnant.
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:04 pm
Renkon Root Sanguina Cruenta Remember, guys: women are evil. Always wear a condom. But what about when they break? cry If you want to have sex, you need to be able to recognize that a baby may form. The 2 people need to have a serious discussion on "what if..." If the woman wants the baby, and the man doesnt, i suggest the man finds another partner to avoid these situations. The idea of a man wanting sex, then when accidents happen leave the woman hanging high and dry being LEGAL is cruel and will never happen. Might as well just end this woman-hate fest.
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:54 pm
Call Me Apple If you want to have sex, you need to be able to recognize that a baby may form. The 2 people need to have a serious discussion on "what if..." If the woman wants the baby, and the man doesnt, i suggest the man finds another partner to avoid these situations. I've heard this before... but let's be honest... at that point, nobody's in the mood for talking. Call Me Apple The idea of a man wanting sex, then when accidents happen leave the woman hanging high and dry being LEGAL is cruel and will never happen. that's not what we're talking about- we're talking about the Idea of either the man or the woman wanting sex (doesn't matter in this instance), and when accidents happen, the woman wanting an abortion, but the man wants to keep it. I believe that abortion is default- we cannot have unwanted pregnancies as we are more advanced than that (speaking of which, they're coming out with a male birth control pill!). furthermore, if there is debate, the child is unwanted. having a child is... well... a team effort. if there is no relationship between the parents, it will inevitably go bad. therefore, in that instance, I would have to allow the woman an abortion. however, that works both ways- if the roles are reversed, it still holds true.
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:07 pm
Emet_Paladin of Truth I've heard this before... but let's be honest... at that point, nobody's in the mood for talking. Its called being responsible. Call Me Apple The idea of a man wanting sex, then when accidents happen leave the woman hanging high and dry being LEGAL is cruel and will never happen. Emet_Paladin of Truth that's not what we're talking about- we're talking about the Idea of either the man or the woman wanting sex (doesn't matter in this instance), and when accidents happen, the woman wanting an abortion, but the man wants to keep it. Did I misread the next comment? OP Said If a woman chooses to give birth to a child that the father doesn't want, he has to pay child support for 18 years. I think a father should have a right to say no. Especially because he has no say in whether or not the pregnancy is terminated.
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