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At least they did a second movie? Excuse me?

Like they'd miss out on the oppertunity to reem in millions of dollars. This movie would be a cash cow, no matter how terrible it really was. Let's be realistic, okay? They needed a big over produced movie to get stupid people (and the occasional hardcore fan) into the theatres and they ate that crap up like it was caviar.

There was no point in time where they weren't thinking "sequel"! They even got to shove more toys down our throats.

Isn't that just lovely?

Anyway, the people who made the movies had millions, not hundreds of dollars to produce a couple of hours of film. The people who produced G1 didn't have the fancy CGI animating or actors, just voice acting and simple animations. They had maybe two weeks to produce an episode - while Bay had months, with hundreds of people at his disposal - to produce this movie. If the mistakes were made in G1, why couldn't they learn from them now? G1 had a lot less going for it, and no where to rip ideas from but other 80's cartoon series. Besides, G1 was aimed at 8 year old boys - this demographic is far wider now - but it hasn't gotten anymore intelligent.

If you can't take me seriously, then I don't know what to say.

My point still stands. A majority of the audience (at least the three time I went) were not preteens. Mostly teenagers and adults.

On the defence of the intelligence of teenagers (some people may argue we're not that much smarter then twelve year olds anyway), I myself happen to be a teenager and found the movie to be seriously lacking.

There is no "exact" answer for either of those questions, so you'll just have to stomach mine.

What defines a "bad movie" is up to personal choice. Some people really loved transformers two, but obviously I and a few others... didn't.

How is it Bay's fault? It's not all Bay, that's true. He did have a writing staff helping him... but most of the creative choices in the movie (being the director), was his. I really think a director can make or break a movie, I really do.

A lot of the action sequences (which he filmed) were filmed in a way that incredibly distracting. In a lot of the fights I honestly couldn't tell what was going on or who was fighting who (see battle of mission city, TF1). The shots were either too wide or too zoomed in to get a good idea of what was going on(see almost any battle sequence). For all I knew, I was looking at the inside of a trash compactor. It was like the camera was being punted (again, mission city TF1 is a good example). I got dizzy as well (see Mikeala and Sam make out before he goes to college, TF2).

Genius directing, amirite?

But, to give him credit, the general plot was already outlined for him.

"Autobots fight Decepticons, some characters die. Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Starscream and Megatron must be in the movie. Those are the characters people pay to see. Gaint explosions are a must, tits are a bonus. Neither Optimus nor Megatron will die, they are the main characters. There is a possibility ressurections (see many deaths of Optimus Prime for reference), or Galvatron (see the first TF movie) may be created. The two leaders are the easiest to follow and most favoured by the audience, give them good screen time. Preferably fighting each other. Also, lots of gaint robot fights. And lazers. Preferably both."

PEW PEW!

This was spoon fed to him... the rest was really up to him, his co-director and the writers.

...I hate twilight. That's a different story, though. >> Mikeala is a strong girl. She stood up to gaint robots! Just because she's being objectified doesn't mean she's weak.

Take the Tomb Raider series as an example, Angelina Jolie plays a kick a** character... that blatantly flaunts her assets.

She's the tits for the movie, whether she's a strong character or not.

I wasn't referring to the racism of the casting choices, just in the movie itself. Robots that can't read? Really? =/

Can you refer to a specific comic where this subtext occurs? I'm honestly curious about this subtext. I haven't seen anything myself, but I haven't had a chance to read any of the comics.

Orions belt-

The planet moves, btw. You know how the earth is tilted on it's axis, and that's why the seasons change? The stars appear to be in different places different parts of the year because of this tilt. Google "star chart". The stars are also moving, it's just not as obvious. They only point to the right place one day of the year because the stars are only in the right place one day of the year.

the whole Sam gets stuff in his head thing was stupid it made little sence and it seems half way in the movie they forgot what they wated sam for is he the reincarnaton of the allspark or just a map to the matrix

again and again no character development in the film what so ever yes lot of big robots ******** -Da if thats all i wanted id go see the terminator half of what makes transformers great if the fact that there robots and vehicles, and the other half is there personalitys and the way they interact with one another and human.


@ Mylian theres a 3 word minimum per post in this guild and faking a quote dozint count you jack a**

I'm VERY critical of movies, and I admit to liking TF1 a lot more than TF2.

I think it was good compared to the absolute crap that has come out around it (bruno, GI Joe, HP6 (people argue with me about this but I had to sit and explain to my dad everything that was going on and he was like, "Whhhhyyy?" and I had to say, "Well, in the book..." He's watched ALL the movies so he should know what the heck was going on), basically the last movie I watched and actually liked was Gran Tarino, and before that the last movie I liked was Transformers and of course that scourge of the earth the twilight series(admit to bias as the title isn't even capitalized))

But to me it explored some things that little kids wouldn't get that I understood.

At the beginning when that liaison came in and started taking over was a startling look into Bay's viewpoint that politicians and leaders are very different things in wartimes.

I mean, if that whiny politician hadn't even come in the whole movie would've been just Soundwave and Ravage being like, "When are they going to mention that freakin' location?"

And that really true look into college life, I despise campus living and Alice's borderline pornographic behavior, Sam's insane roommates combined with the snootiness of the professor just summed up for me why I moved back home to go to a community college.

@Arcee comment: At shoot the edit Bay cleared up this article by stating that he didn't hate the original character, just the make up of the new one.

As to the specific comic book, no because I haven't bought them yet.

AS FOR THE NOVEL THOUGH I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE. On page 273 Optimus Prime has fallen into yet another trap saving the humans, Barricade looms from the shadows and OP stalls him with wordplay, implying that Megatron could be revived. The humans help with their little toy guns. he's impaled by rocks I believe or at least imprisoned for a very very very very long time.

Orions belt, Yeah yeah I know all that, I'm saying they could've followed the line created by the pyramid though. That's what I was attemping to say

@BogiePop: In the original comic book, Buster Witwicky was given the matrix by Optimus Prime when his head was cut off by Megatron and then put on life support. That's actually how Jetfire became an Autobot was through the power Buster got from the Matrix.

And please, take no offense to my words, I just don't like the fact that everyone picks apart this movie without giving merit to it's good parts.

Reminds me of Armada..


OH ME!

-zings writers of Armada-

Or Shattered Glass.

-another zing-


Sorry I'm a "hard core" G1 comic fan, I mean, hot damn, that thing had so many twists in it, and the war ended in a good way, although it was hard to get there.

But a lot A LOT of things come from the comics in the movies, I mean, the liaison was a Prime (lol) example of the deteriation of Autobot/human relations explored in the comic series.