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vegito61283

PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:52 pm


Oreion
ChainedShadow
My Top Ten favorite QB's of all time.

1. Johnny Unitas
2. Kurt Warner
3. Joe Montana
4. Drew Brees
5. Tom Brady
6. John Elway
7. Warren Moon
8. Peyton Manning
9. Jim Zorn
10. Troy Aikman

Go Ahead, judge me. Show me your top 10.

Not a necessarily a bad list but your to much influenced by modern day QB's
that you watch on TV
All time
1. Johnny Unitas
2. Joe Montana
3. Peyton Manning
4. Brett Favre
5. Steve Young
6. John Elway
7. Terry Bradshaw
8. Bart Starr
9. Archie Manning
10. Roger Staubach
current
1. Peyton Manning
2. Brett Favre (pending)
3. Tom Brady
4. Kurt Warner
5. Drew Brees
6. Phillip Rivers
7. Jay Cutler
8. Carson Palmer
9. Donovan McNabb
10. Eli Manning


I hope you realize that McNabb has two things that none of those guys will ever have since he came into the league.

1. Lowest int/pass ration.
2. Most consecutive completed passes.

and as for a bonus

chew on this one everyone

ONLY player to ever have 30+tds to a below 10int ratio in the same season.

Even though he may not have the ring (yet), that in itself should leave a nice mark against some of the greats.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:11 am


vegito61283
Oreion
ChainedShadow
My Top Ten favorite QB's of all time.

1. Johnny Unitas
2. Kurt Warner
3. Joe Montana
4. Drew Brees
5. Tom Brady
6. John Elway
7. Warren Moon
8. Peyton Manning
9. Jim Zorn
10. Troy Aikman

Go Ahead, judge me. Show me your top 10.

Not a necessarily a bad list but your to much influenced by modern day QB's
that you watch on TV
All time
1. Johnny Unitas
2. Joe Montana
3. Peyton Manning
4. Brett Favre
5. Steve Young
6. John Elway
7. Terry Bradshaw
8. Bart Starr
9. Archie Manning
10. Roger Staubach
current
1. Peyton Manning
2. Brett Favre (pending)
3. Tom Brady
4. Kurt Warner
5. Drew Brees
6. Phillip Rivers
7. Jay Cutler
8. Carson Palmer
9. Donovan McNabb
10. Eli Manning


I hope you realize that McNabb has two things that none of those guys will ever have since he came into the league.

1. Lowest int/pass ration.
2. Most consecutive completed passes.

and as for a bonus

chew on this one everyone

ONLY player to ever have 30+tds to a below 10int ratio in the same season.

Even though he may not have the ring (yet), that in itself should leave a nice mark against some of the greats.

McNabb also got benched during the season, for sucking. None of the other greats did. Also Peyton and Brady could Probably do that if that's all they had going for them too.

Stats
McNabb- TD's 194 INT's 90 /CompX.9 /QB rating 85.9 (stared 9 1/2 seasons)
Brady- TD's 197 INT's 86 /Comp% 63.0 /QB rating 92.9 (only started 7 whole seasons)
Manning (Peyton) TD's 333 INT's 165 /Comp% 64.4 /QB rating 94.7 (started 11 seasons)
Whats that say about him?

Oreion


vegito61283

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:07 am


What that says about him? Hmm, No good WR's (save for last season and TO), lots of injuries throughout his career. Also, do not forget that unlike most of them, he did at least go to 4 STRAIGHT Conference Title Games. Can any of them lay claim to that. Oh, and just so you can understand the WR portion, Brady and Manning have had BETTER WR's their entire Career than McNabb has. Save for TO, Curtis and Jackson, THE ONLY WR that any coach would have taken was J. Thrash as a #4 or 5 option. That was actually in an article back in 2003. And just think, with WR's no other team in the league wanted or even kept, McNabb still went to 4 CCG's and 1 SB. Oh, AND HE DID NOT HAVE TO CHEAT TO DO ANY OF THAT!! (just and FYI rofl )

Oh and even on top of that....
Brady- Moss, Branch, Brown and Welker + Camera/Spygate
Manning- Wayne, Harrison, Gonzalez and Clark + One of the better OL's.
McNabb- Pinkston, Thrash, Mitchell, G. Lewis and C. Lewis

(that is a compilation of those players that they all played with for atleast 3 full seasons together. huge friggin difference if you ask me. And McNabb still made it to the title games with them.)

Any rebutle?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:50 pm


Come on, are you seriously saying McNabb is better than both Manning and Brady?
He's definitely top 5 though.. biggrin

IndianapolisColtsFan


Oreion

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:41 pm


IndianapolisColtsFan
Come on, are you seriously saying McNabb is better than both Manning and Brady?
He's definitely top 5 though.. biggrin

I think he actually thinks that McNabb is the s**t. Injuries are tough luck plenty of other people had their entire careers took from injuries or changed to where they weren't anybody special. We still know a good QB even if he is on the lions, people know that Archie Manning was one of the best and he never made the playoffs. Look McNabb is a good QB but future legend hall of fame he is not. In fact he isn't in top 5 now. it's pushing it to say he is top 10, he is accurate and efficient QB but he in no way comes close to the greats of the game.
(FYI- I hate Tom Brady with every fiber of my soul)
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:10 pm


Oreion
IndianapolisColtsFan
Come on, are you seriously saying McNabb is better than both Manning and Brady?
He's definitely top 5 though.. biggrin

I think he actually thinks that McNabb is the s**t. Injuries are tough luck plenty of other people had their entire careers took from injuries or changed to where they weren't anybody special. We still know a good QB even if he is on the lions, people know that Archie Manning was one of the best and he never made the playoffs. Look McNabb is a good QB but future legend hall of fame he is not. In fact he isn't in top 5 now. it's pushing it to say he is top 10, he is accurate and efficient QB but he in no way comes close to the greats of the game.
(FYI- I hate Tom Brady with every fiber of my soul)

Just for both of you to understand. I do not believe he is the isht. But he is as effective as any QB out there. Last season I could have sworn to every single one of you it was finally time to allow Kolb start getting some more time in after the way he played through the first few weeks. I know something like that benching was bound to happen because even Reid is not that stupid. BUT what I did not anticipate and even McNabb said it himself, is the effect that it gave to him and the wake up call that it was to him. After that Baltimore Game and until they were finally eliminated from the Playoffs, I challenge you all to find a Qb who was as effective as McNabb. See when I do take count of a players career, I look at how effective he was to the teams win. McNabb truly was much more effective in his teams success over the years than any of the other QB's. You notice it when there are players missing. Last year when Cassel was in instead of Brady, all of Cassell's stats were very comparable to Bradys every season but the year before. When Wayne or Harrison had gone down, there was a visible dip in the production from Manning, but when Manning's backup went in, there was not THAT much drop-off. When McNabb goes out, there is a significant drop off from when he is in the game. Also, you have to be an extremely good to great QB if you are to break the records held by Randall Cunningham and Ron Jaworski. He practically holds every record in the franchise for a QB. AND with his B-Team brigade he still holds many records as well as still among the top three for winning percentage among active QB's.
Oh, and Name for me ONE QB not mention any other player who had played an entire game on a BROKEN ANKLE and still manage to set a career record.

vegito61283


Oreion

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:24 pm


vegito61283
Oreion
IndianapolisColtsFan
Come on, are you seriously saying McNabb is better than both Manning and Brady?
He's definitely top 5 though.. biggrin

I think he actually thinks that McNabb is the s**t. Injuries are tough luck plenty of other people had their entire careers took from injuries or changed to where they weren't anybody special. We still know a good QB even if he is on the lions, people know that Archie Manning was one of the best and he never made the playoffs. Look McNabb is a good QB but future legend hall of fame he is not. In fact he isn't in top 5 now. it's pushing it to say he is top 10, he is accurate and efficient QB but he in no way comes close to the greats of the game.
(FYI- I hate Tom Brady with every fiber of my soul)

Just for both of you to understand. I do not believe he is the isht. But he is as effective as any QB out there. Last season I could have sworn to every single one of you it was finally time to allow Kolb start getting some more time in after the way he played through the first few weeks. I know something like that benching was bound to happen because even Reid is not that stupid. BUT what I did not anticipate and even McNabb said it himself, is the effect that it gave to him and the wake up call that it was to him. After that Baltimore Game and until they were finally eliminated from the Playoffs, I challenge you all to find a Qb who was as effective as McNabb. See when I do take count of a players career, I look at how effective he was to the teams win. McNabb truly was much more effective in his teams success over the years than any of the other QB's. You notice it when there are players missing. Last year when Cassel was in instead of Brady, all of Cassell's stats were very comparable to Bradys every season but the year before. When Wayne or Harrison had gone down, there was a visible dip in the production from Manning, but when Manning's backup went in, there was not THAT much drop-off. When McNabb goes out, there is a significant drop off from when he is in the game. Also, you have to be an extremely good to great QB if you are to break the records held by Randall Cunningham and Ron Jaworski. He practically holds every record in the franchise for a QB. AND with his B-Team brigade he still holds many records as well as still among the top three for winning percentage among active QB's.
Oh, and Name for me ONE QB not mention any other player who had played an entire game on a BROKEN ANKLE and still manage to set a career record.

Johnny Unitas! No QB was, is, or ever will be as tough as that man. Look at his Injury list, punctured lung! later in his career crippling arthritis and wasn't about stats at all with him, the only thing that mattered to him was the W, and he was good at getting those. but it's unfair to compare him to anyone. I will give McNabb some credit, he can lift up a team that most of the time is equal to maybe the Chiefs and win games with them.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:45 pm


Oreion
vegito61283
Oreion
IndianapolisColtsFan
Come on, are you seriously saying McNabb is better than both Manning and Brady?
He's definitely top 5 though.. biggrin

I think he actually thinks that McNabb is the s**t. Injuries are tough luck plenty of other people had their entire careers took from injuries or changed to where they weren't anybody special. We still know a good QB even if he is on the lions, people know that Archie Manning was one of the best and he never made the playoffs. Look McNabb is a good QB but future legend hall of fame he is not. In fact he isn't in top 5 now. it's pushing it to say he is top 10, he is accurate and efficient QB but he in no way comes close to the greats of the game.
(FYI- I hate Tom Brady with every fiber of my soul)

Just for both of you to understand. I do not believe he is the isht. But he is as effective as any QB out there. Last season I could have sworn to every single one of you it was finally time to allow Kolb start getting some more time in after the way he played through the first few weeks. I know something like that benching was bound to happen because even Reid is not that stupid. BUT what I did not anticipate and even McNabb said it himself, is the effect that it gave to him and the wake up call that it was to him. After that Baltimore Game and until they were finally eliminated from the Playoffs, I challenge you all to find a Qb who was as effective as McNabb. See when I do take count of a players career, I look at how effective he was to the teams win. McNabb truly was much more effective in his teams success over the years than any of the other QB's. You notice it when there are players missing. Last year when Cassel was in instead of Brady, all of Cassell's stats were very comparable to Bradys every season but the year before. When Wayne or Harrison had gone down, there was a visible dip in the production from Manning, but when Manning's backup went in, there was not THAT much drop-off. When McNabb goes out, there is a significant drop off from when he is in the game. Also, you have to be an extremely good to great QB if you are to break the records held by Randall Cunningham and Ron Jaworski. He practically holds every record in the franchise for a QB. AND with his B-Team brigade he still holds many records as well as still among the top three for winning percentage among active QB's.
Oh, and Name for me ONE QB not mention any other player who had played an entire game on a BROKEN ANKLE and still manage to set a career record.

Johnny Unitas! No QB was, is, or ever will be as tough as that man. Look at his Injury list, punctured lung! later in his career crippling arthritis and wasn't about stats at all with him, the only thing that mattered to him was the W, and he was good at getting those. but it's unfair to compare him to anyone. I will give McNabb some credit, he can lift up a team that most of the time is equal to maybe the Chiefs and win games with them.


Unitas was in all terms of the name the true Iron Man. There is no QB I would compare to the toughness for the game. But HE did not play on a limb that was basically nothing but jelly at a pivotal joint and push off point. That has to go with McNabb. And McNabb was even given credit to that in an NFL column. As for McNabb, you realize save for the defense, the talent level on the offense until the past two years only truly consisted of himself and Westrbook. Even the Lions had more than that. Sorry, but that talent level on that team was equal to no one, they were below. So even going by your admission on that, the stats that McNabb has are scewed to the lowest possible outcome and if he had what Brady or Manning had, we may be looking at a guy who had 3 SB's or even a few more unbreakeable records.

vegito61283


Oreion

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:46 am


vegito61283
Oreion
vegito61283
Oreion
IndianapolisColtsFan
Come on, are you seriously saying McNabb is better than both Manning and Brady?
He's definitely top 5 though.. biggrin

I think he actually thinks that McNabb is the s**t. Injuries are tough luck plenty of other people had their entire careers took from injuries or changed to where they weren't anybody special. We still know a good QB even if he is on the lions, people know that Archie Manning was one of the best and he never made the playoffs. Look McNabb is a good QB but future legend hall of fame he is not. In fact he isn't in top 5 now. it's pushing it to say he is top 10, he is accurate and efficient QB but he in no way comes close to the greats of the game.
(FYI- I hate Tom Brady with every fiber of my soul)

Just for both of you to understand. I do not believe he is the isht. But he is as effective as any QB out there. Last season I could have sworn to every single one of you it was finally time to allow Kolb start getting some more time in after the way he played through the first few weeks. I know something like that benching was bound to happen because even Reid is not that stupid. BUT what I did not anticipate and even McNabb said it himself, is the effect that it gave to him and the wake up call that it was to him. After that Baltimore Game and until they were finally eliminated from the Playoffs, I challenge you all to find a Qb who was as effective as McNabb. See when I do take count of a players career, I look at how effective he was to the teams win. McNabb truly was much more effective in his teams success over the years than any of the other QB's. You notice it when there are players missing. Last year when Cassel was in instead of Brady, all of Cassell's stats were very comparable to Bradys every season but the year before. When Wayne or Harrison had gone down, there was a visible dip in the production from Manning, but when Manning's backup went in, there was not THAT much drop-off. When McNabb goes out, there is a significant drop off from when he is in the game. Also, you have to be an extremely good to great QB if you are to break the records held by Randall Cunningham and Ron Jaworski. He practically holds every record in the franchise for a QB. AND with his B-Team brigade he still holds many records as well as still among the top three for winning percentage among active QB's.
Oh, and Name for me ONE QB not mention any other player who had played an entire game on a BROKEN ANKLE and still manage to set a career record.

Johnny Unitas! No QB was, is, or ever will be as tough as that man. Look at his Injury list, punctured lung! later in his career crippling arthritis and wasn't about stats at all with him, the only thing that mattered to him was the W, and he was good at getting those. but it's unfair to compare him to anyone. I will give McNabb some credit, he can lift up a team that most of the time is equal to maybe the Chiefs and win games with them.


Unitas was in all terms of the name the true Iron Man. There is no QB I would compare to the toughness for the game. But HE did not play on a limb that was basically nothing but jelly at a pivotal joint and push off point. That has to go with McNabb. And McNabb was even given credit to that in an NFL column. As for McNabb, you realize save for the defense, the talent level on the offense until the past two years only truly consisted of himself and Westrbook. Even the Lions had more than that. Sorry, but that talent level on that team was equal to no one, they were below. So even going by your admission on that, the stats that McNabb has are scewed to the lowest possible outcome and if he had what Brady or Manning had, we may be looking at a guy who had 3 SB's or even a few more unbreakeable records.

I'm starting to waver on my position a little bit, but I'm still a conventional guy I like more Peyton Manning type QB's.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:00 pm


There are different types of QB's to play the game. There are the pocket passers, the scramblers, the managers and the all-arounds.

Pocket passers are what Manning, Montana and Marino were best known for. They did everything from the pocket and did it great.

Scramblers are QB's who are like Vick and Stewart were. They scramble and can make plays out of the pockets. Another name in there that is worth mentioning is Culpepper.

Managing QB's are what used to be the norm in FB. They were what Trent Dilfer and a few others were. They did JUST enough to help the team win and not turn over the ball. Look back in 2001 when the Ravens won the SB. They had a great rushing offense and beast of a defense. All the QB had to do was make the few plays he was needed and did not turn over the ball. That is a Managing QB.

The All-Arounds are the most Dangerous of QB's. They are the Guys who were able to scramble, let their team do the talking or just plain put it up there when needed. Those were people like Steve Young, Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb. They were the pillars of their team but also could be the guys who could direct their team to a win without doing much. The most notable and probably most dangerous of them all and close to the most dangerous in the history of the league is Randall Cunningham. Put him on almost any team today and he is in the SB at least the past 5years straight.

vegito61283


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:03 pm


Joe Montana. That's all I gotta say about that.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:13 pm


Itachi-Uchiha-Sama00
Joe Montana. That's all I gotta say about that.


One of the very best. Way too true. But if Randall had that team I can tell you right now it would have been just that much better. Randall did it all to almost near perfection including bowling over players. I still remember seeing clips of when he was younger literally JUMPING over players standing up in order to get into the End Zone

vegito61283


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:21 pm


I heard Joe Montana was quite the p***k as well though, is there any confirmation that he is?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:27 pm


TBC x CptCanada
I heard Joe Montana was quite the p***k as well though, is there any confirmation that he is?


Actually from everything I found out and heard about him, he was a very quiet individual. Also was active in helping community programs as well. But that is from what was said on tv and some people I know that lived out in the bay area

vegito61283


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:36 pm


He wasn't even near being a p***k. He was probably the most sportsmanlike individual in sports in my opion.
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