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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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 Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:59 am
Dark_Mana Wow, religious talk all of a sudden. =o I better not take part or you'll lynch me.
Bal-Sagoth Yeah, I decided to stay out of this one too...
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:58 am
Divinus Cruor lotusvoid MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 jesus was one manifestation of god (according to christianity). you're forgetting the father and the holy spirit (personally i think the yin energy would be in the holy spirit)... That's not it at all. He is NOT a manifestation of God. Luke 1:36, 1:39-45 testifies He was actually born a human being. Collosians 2:9 - For in Him the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily and you have been filled by Him who is the head over every ruler and authority. also, that collosians quote, to me, implies a duality. he was born a human being, but IN him is the fullness of god's nature... DWELLING within his body. that implies a duality (to me) that he's not even god, but has god in him. of course, that is not standard christian thought, and i will not argue that point, i'm just saying that probably wasnt the best quote to use in order to illustrate your point *runs away* I fear christian theology arguments. I think, in my own personal opinion that its like chasing ones tail. fixed. meh. my bad, though the I think, in my own personal opinion thatstatement covers all religious conversations. not to offend, its just not much in such a conversation can be proven
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:02 am
lotusvoid Divinus Cruor lotusvoid MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 jesus was one manifestation of god (according to christianity). you're forgetting the father and the holy spirit (personally i think the yin energy would be in the holy spirit)... That's not it at all. He is NOT a manifestation of God. Luke 1:36, 1:39-45 testifies He was actually born a human being. Collosians 2:9 - For in Him the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily and you have been filled by Him who is the head over every ruler and authority. also, that collosians quote, to me, implies a duality. he was born a human being, but IN him is the fullness of god's nature... DWELLING within his body. that implies a duality (to me) that he's not even god, but has god in him. of course, that is not standard christian thought, and i will not argue that point, i'm just saying that probably wasnt the best quote to use in order to illustrate your point *runs away* I fear christian theology arguments. I think, in my own personal opinion that its like chasing ones tail. fixed. meh. my bad, though the I think, in my own personal opinion thatstatement covers all religious conversations. not to offend, its just not much in such a conversation can be proven no prob. I fixed it to avoid having missunderstandings in the future.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:40 am
lotusvoid Divinus Cruor lotusvoid MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 jesus was one manifestation of god (according to christianity). you're forgetting the father and the holy spirit (personally i think the yin energy would be in the holy spirit)... That's not it at all. He is NOT a manifestation of God. Luke 1:36, 1:39-45 testifies He was actually born a human being. Collosians 2:9 - For in Him the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily and you have been filled by Him who is the head over every ruler and authority. also, that collosians quote, to me, implies a duality. he was born a human being, but IN him is the fullness of god's nature... DWELLING within his body. that implies a duality (to me) that he's not even god, but has god in him. of course, that is not standard christian thought, and i will not argue that point, i'm just saying that probably wasnt the best quote to use in order to illustrate your point *runs away* I fear christian theology arguments. I think, in my own personal opinion that its like chasing ones tail. fixed. meh. my bad, though the I think, in my own personal opinion thatstatement covers all religious conversations. not to offend, its just not much in such a conversation can be proven That all depends on one's particular set of views. An Atheist will believe there is no proof and a Religious person, whatever their faith maybe, will believe that there is proof.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:22 pm
My Hollow MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 if humankind was created in god's image...is not god both man and woman, yang and yin? although the old testament does flow with that good ol' destructive yang energy xp as for being pure in heart, i'm pure. pure evil twisted okay not really sweatdrop Jesus is God Himself, and he is a Man. anyway. you're pure fun (according to christianity). you're forgetting the father and the holy spirit (personally i think the yin energy would be in the holy spirit)... That's not it at all. He is NOT a manifestation of God. Luke 1:36, 1:39-45 testifies He was actually born a human being. Collosians 2:9 - For in Him the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily and you have been filled by Him who is the head over every ruler and authority. or, in plain english, he is god manifested in human form. a human manifestation of god. let's revisit the concept of the trinity; that is, one god expressed in three persons. the father, son, and holy spirit do not share this divinity among themselves, yet each is god, whole and entire. i am not saying christ is not god (though that is my personal belief). what i am saying is that cruor only mentioned one part of the trinity, a masculine part, to say that god is masculine. but mankind was created in god's image, and since mankind has both masculine and feminine in it, god must also have a feminine element. the father and the son are quite stereotypically masculine. the holy spirit, by contrast, is stereotypically feminine - an eternal presence, it serves to open hearts and minds, to lend a gentle guiding hand to our actions, and to assist us (not to force or lead, which are masculine qualities but to guide, which is a feminine quality) in our journey. it seems logical, then, that the feminine in humankind would come from the holy spirit. or perhaps it was the term "manifestation" which you had a problem with. the reason i used that term was simplicity - it's easier to say (and understand) "jesus is a manifestation of god" than it is to explain clearly the fundamental concepts behind the holy trinity on an internet forum! you and victum may already understand the concept, but that doesn't mean everyone else does. so i chose simplicity over rigid academic terminology, though in the end the point is the same. I don't quite get your point here. If what you're saying is that you believe God has both feminine and masculine characteristics, I do believe that, though I see no reason why so-called "female" characteristics should be confined to the Holy Spirit. Jesus healed the sick, He wept, he comforted those around Him...characteristics you might see as "feminine" but I would just call desirable or godly characteristics. As far as your discussion of Jesus as the "manifestation" of God, in the Incarnation, which is what we're talking about...what the Bible teaches is that Jesus is fully God and fully man. If you don't care for the verse I used here is another one.John 14:28 "I and the Father are one (word means "one in essence" in original language). But let me ask you a question. You talk about the Trinity and male/female issues of God but..can you just tell me why you believe Christianity is not true? Can you offer me some good sound reasons why I should not believe its true or at least why its not reasonable to believe its true? For example, I have some excellent reasons for believing in the existence of God, and in particular, in the God of the Christian Bible. I also have excellent evidences for the historical reliability of the scriptures. What are you basing your beliefs or non-beliefs on? Also, If you're ever interested in the subject of Philosophy two of the greatest philosphers in the US, William Lane Craig and J.P. Moreland, are both devout Christians, and have written some interesting books that you might find enlightening...or at least amusing? smile I can give you the titles if you want. i merely meant manifestation as in one PART of the trinity (as there are three parts). what is a better term to use when referring to a single part of the trinity? and yes, jesus had feminine characteristics. i was not meaning to limit the feminine to the holy spirit alone. even god the father occasionally showed a feminine side. however, the DOMINANTLY feminine is portrayed in the holy spirit, while the dominantly masculine is seen in the son and the father. although the son, in many (not all) ways, bridges the gap between the masculine and feminine, father and holy spirit. as for the new quote - that makes a much better support of your point 3nodding as for your question about my own personal disbelief in christianity, if you wish to discuss that i would prefer to do it over AIM or in a PM (and this goes for anyone who wants to talk about my religion/philosophy, not just hollow). i will say that i believe there are many ways, many religions and philosophies, views of the world, ways of thinking, whatever you want to call them. no one way is going to be right for all...what is it now, 7 billion?... people in the world. i have no problem with your being christian, it works for you and that makes me glad. but, in personal experience, it has not worked for me. i have tried a great many religions and philosophies, and the ones that have worked best for me are mainly taoism, with a peppering of existentialism/absurdism. if you have any other questions for me or want to have a debate over why i should be christian, or what-not, i'll be happy to discuss it over AIM/in a PM. i was merely making a joke about our society's male-centric viewpoint and did not mean for a religious debate to spring up. if i'd meant that i would have started a religious debate thread or talked to you on AIM or victum in a PM and would have avoided spamming up this thread xp
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:40 pm
MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 jesus was one manifestation of god (according to christianity). you're forgetting the father and the holy spirit (personally i think the yin energy would be in the holy spirit)... That's not it at all. He is NOT a manifestation of God. Luke 1:36, 1:39-45 testifies He was actually born a human being. Collosians 2:9 - For in Him the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily and you have been filled by Him who is the head over every ruler and authority. or, in plain english, he is god manifested in human form. a human manifestation of god. let's revisit the concept of the trinity; that is, one god expressed in three persons. the father, son, and holy spirit do not share this divinity among themselves, yet each is god, whole and entire. i am not saying christ is not god (though that is my personal belief). what i am saying is that cruor only mentioned one part of the trinity, a masculine part, to say that god is masculine. but mankind was created in god's image, and since mankind has both masculine and feminine in it, god must also have a feminine element. the father and the son are quite stereotypically masculine. the holy spirit, by contrast, is stereotypically feminine - an eternal presence, it serves to open hearts and minds, to lend a gentle guiding hand to our actions, and to assist us (not to force or lead, which are masculine qualities but to guide, which is a feminine quality) in our journey. it seems logical, then, that the feminine in humankind would come from the holy spirit. or perhaps it was the term "manifestation" which you had a problem with. the reason i used that term was simplicity - it's easier to say (and understand) "jesus is a manifestation of god" than it is to explain clearly the fundamental concepts behind the holy trinity on an internet forum! you and victum may already understand the concept, but that doesn't mean everyone else does. so i chose simplicity over rigid academic terminology, though in the end the point is the same. I don't quite get your point here. If what you're saying is that you believe God has both feminine and masculine characteristics, I do believe that, though I see no reason why so-called "female" characteristics should be confined to the Holy Spirit. Jesus healed the sick, He wept, he comforted those around Him...characteristics you might see as "feminine" but I would just call desirable or godly characteristics. As far as your discussion of Jesus as the "manifestation" of God, in the Incarnation, which is what we're talking about...what the Bible teaches is that Jesus is fully God and fully man. If you don't care for the verse I used here is another one.John 14:28 "I and the Father are one (word means "one in essence" in original language). But let me ask you a question. You talk about the Trinity and male/female issues of God but..can you just tell me why you believe Christianity is not true? Can you offer me some good sound reasons why I should not believe its true or at least why its not reasonable to believe its true? For example, I have some excellent reasons for believing in the existence of God, and in particular, in the God of the Christian Bible. I also have excellent evidences for the historical reliability of the scriptures. What are you basing your beliefs or non-beliefs on? Also, If you're ever interested in the subject of Philosophy two of the greatest philosphers in the US, William Lane Craig and J.P. Moreland, are both devout Christians, and have written some interesting books that you might find enlightening...or at least amusing? smile I can give you the titles if you want. i merely meant manifestation as in one PART of the trinity (as there are three parts). what is a better term to use when referring to a single part of the trinity? and yes, jesus had feminine characteristics. i was not meaning to limit the feminine to the holy spirit alone. even god the father occasionally showed a feminine side. however, the DOMINANTLY feminine is portrayed in the holy spirit, while the dominantly masculine is seen in the son and the father. although the son, in many (not all) ways, bridges the gap between the masculine and feminine, father and holy spirit. as for the new quote - that makes a much better support of your point 3nodding as for your question about my own personal disbelief in christianity, if you wish to discuss that i would prefer to do it over AIM or in a PM (and this goes for anyone who wants to talk about my religion/philosophy, not just hollow). i will say that i believe there are many ways, many religions and philosophies, views of the world, ways of thinking, whatever you want to call them. no one way is going to be right for all...what is it now, 7 billion?... people in the world. i have no problem with your being christian, it works for you and that makes me glad. but, in personal experience, it has not worked for me. i have tried a great many religions and philosophies, and the ones that have worked best for me are mainly taoism, with a peppering of existentialism/absurdism. if you have any other questions for me or want to have a debate over why i should be christian, or what-not, i'll be happy to discuss it over AIM/in a PM. i was merely making a joke about our society's male-centric viewpoint and did not mean for a religious debate to spring up. if i'd meant that i would have started a religious debate thread or talked to you on AIM or victum in a PM and would have avoided spamming up this thread xp If you wish to take our conversation to pm, that would be fine indeed. However, I do not see a discussion or debate, call it what you will spamming up my threads. After all, I am the guild leader and one of the few perks to that is doing whatever you guys want. Discussion whatever the circumstances is never spam. But sure, I have no problem pm'ing you, if that are your wishes. biggrin
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:45 pm
My Hollow MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 jesus was one manifestation of god (according to christianity). you're forgetting the father and the holy spirit (personally i think the yin energy would be in the holy spirit)... That's not it at all. He is NOT a manifestation of God. Luke 1:36, 1:39-45 testifies He was actually born a human being. Collosians 2:9 - For in Him the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily and you have been filled by Him who is the head over every ruler and authority. or, in plain english, he is god manifested in human form. a human manifestation of god. let's revisit the concept of the trinity; that is, one god expressed in three persons. the father, son, and holy spirit do not share this divinity among themselves, yet each is god, whole and entire. i am not saying christ is not god (though that is my personal belief). what i am saying is that cruor only mentioned one part of the trinity, a masculine part, to say that god is masculine. but mankind was created in god's image, and since mankind has both masculine and feminine in it, god must also have a feminine element. the father and the son are quite stereotypically masculine. the holy spirit, by contrast, is stereotypically feminine - an eternal presence, it serves to open hearts and minds, to lend a gentle guiding hand to our actions, and to assist us (not to force or lead, which are masculine qualities but to guide, which is a feminine quality) in our journey. it seems logical, then, that the feminine in humankind would come from the holy spirit. or perhaps it was the term "manifestation" which you had a problem with. the reason i used that term was simplicity - it's easier to say (and understand) "jesus is a manifestation of god" than it is to explain clearly the fundamental concepts behind the holy trinity on an internet forum! you and victum may already understand the concept, but that doesn't mean everyone else does. so i chose simplicity over rigid academic terminology, though in the end the point is the same. I don't quite get your point here. If what you're saying is that you believe God has both feminine and masculine characteristics, I do believe that, though I see no reason why so-called "female" characteristics should be confined to the Holy Spirit. Jesus healed the sick, He wept, he comforted those around Him...characteristics you might see as "feminine" but I would just call desirable or godly characteristics. As far as your discussion of Jesus as the "manifestation" of God, in the Incarnation, which is what we're talking about...what the Bible teaches is that Jesus is fully God and fully man. If you don't care for the verse I used here is another one.John 14:28 "I and the Father are one (word means "one in essence" in original language). But let me ask you a question. You talk about the Trinity and male/female issues of God but..can you just tell me why you believe Christianity is not true? Can you offer me some good sound reasons why I should not believe its true or at least why its not reasonable to believe its true? For example, I have some excellent reasons for believing in the existence of God, and in particular, in the God of the Christian Bible. I also have excellent evidences for the historical reliability of the scriptures. What are you basing your beliefs or non-beliefs on? Also, If you're ever interested in the subject of Philosophy two of the greatest philosphers in the US, William Lane Craig and J.P. Moreland, are both devout Christians, and have written some interesting books that you might find enlightening...or at least amusing? smile I can give you the titles if you want. i merely meant manifestation as in one PART of the trinity (as there are three parts). what is a better term to use when referring to a single part of the trinity? and yes, jesus had feminine characteristics. i was not meaning to limit the feminine to the holy spirit alone. even god the father occasionally showed a feminine side. however, the DOMINANTLY feminine is portrayed in the holy spirit, while the dominantly masculine is seen in the son and the father. although the son, in many (not all) ways, bridges the gap between the masculine and feminine, father and holy spirit. as for the new quote - that makes a much better support of your point 3nodding as for your question about my own personal disbelief in christianity, if you wish to discuss that i would prefer to do it over AIM or in a PM (and this goes for anyone who wants to talk about my religion/philosophy, not just hollow). i will say that i believe there are many ways, many religions and philosophies, views of the world, ways of thinking, whatever you want to call them. no one way is going to be right for all...what is it now, 7 billion?... people in the world. i have no problem with your being christian, it works for you and that makes me glad. but, in personal experience, it has not worked for me. i have tried a great many religions and philosophies, and the ones that have worked best for me are mainly taoism, with a peppering of existentialism/absurdism. if you have any other questions for me or want to have a debate over why i should be christian, or what-not, i'll be happy to discuss it over AIM/in a PM. i was merely making a joke about our society's male-centric viewpoint and did not mean for a religious debate to spring up. if i'd meant that i would have started a religious debate thread or talked to you on AIM or victum in a PM and would have avoided spamming up this thread xp If you wish to take our conversation to pm, that would be fine indeed. However, I do not see a discussion or debate, call it what you will spamming up my threads. After all, I am the guild leader and one of the few perks to that is doing whatever you guys want. Discussion whatever the circumstances is never spam. But sure, I have no problem pm'ing you, if that are your wishes. biggrin AIM works too. although if you do either of those i'm not gonna be around tonight or most of tomorrow. in a couple of hours im heading out to new hampshire and wont be back at my computer till sunday evening/night
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:39 pm
No matter, you'll get it when I have time to send it, I'm doing alot of work for my trip now anyway.
Back to my thread:
Mournful Congregation
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:15 am
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:08 am
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:29 am
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:55 am
WarCry
did I say that already?
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:50 pm
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:12 pm
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