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 Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:08 pm
Lethkhar Fushigi na Butterfly
And Lethkhar, this is totally about your comment about the Christians and some Muslims being the only religions that believe in creation todayYou've misquoted me...again... stare I said that certain Christian and Muslim sects are pretty much the only religions that still haven't reconciled evolution with their religion. I didn't say that they were the only religions that believed in creation.
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:27 pm
Lethkhar Ixor-san Lethkhar Ixor-san Lethkhar Actually, any scientist worth his/her salt would openly admit that they know almost nothing about the universe. Pity there seem to be so few of them... Millions, actually. Which, considering the scope of the universe, I suppose is a very insignificant number. It's all relative. Speaking of which, relativity is probably the coolest scientific concept ever.
As far as I can tell, those that get any kind of media attention, anyway, seem awfully sure about what they do know. As if they couldn't possibly be wrong about what they have learned. Well, they speak like that for 2 reasons: 1) The evidence is extremely convincing and, quite frankly, it's not that interesting to even argue about the existance of evolution anymore because it's so glaringly obvious. 2) Within all of science there is the underlying assumption that what we sense is correct. All scientists realize this underlying assumption, and because it is an assumption they assume that it goes without saying. However, science openly admits that it could be wrong because it does make one assumption. Quote: Unfortunately, I suppose it has always been the most obnoxious of any belief system (using the term, loosely, here) that tend to scream the loudest and get the most attention.... You're historically incorrect, given science's persecution for the major part of its existance, but I suppose you don't like history, either. Now, I would assume that science gets a large amount of attention because it actually achieves things and it's probably the most far-reaching "belief system" in the world; crossing cultures all over the world. I don't know about "screaming", though. Evangelists seem to do a lot more of that than scientists, especially considering how few Evangelists there are compared to scientifically minded people, but that's only based off of what I've seen. Correction Science Has never proved anything remember How You said that the Qauntum Theory is still just a theory?
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:34 am
Aenik Canar Lethkhar Ixor-san Lethkhar Ixor-san Pity there seem to be so few of them... Millions, actually. Which, considering the scope of the universe, I suppose is a very insignificant number. It's all relative. Speaking of which, relativity is probably the coolest scientific concept ever.
As far as I can tell, those that get any kind of media attention, anyway, seem awfully sure about what they do know. As if they couldn't possibly be wrong about what they have learned. Well, they speak like that for 2 reasons: 1) The evidence is extremely convincing and, quite frankly, it's not that interesting to even argue about the existance of evolution anymore because it's so glaringly obvious. 2) Within all of science there is the underlying assumption that what we sense is correct. All scientists realize this underlying assumption, and because it is an assumption they assume that it goes without saying. However, science openly admits that it could be wrong because it does make one assumption. Quote: Unfortunately, I suppose it has always been the most obnoxious of any belief system (using the term, loosely, here) that tend to scream the loudest and get the most attention.... You're historically incorrect, given science's persecution for the major part of its existance, but I suppose you don't like history, either. Now, I would assume that science gets a large amount of attention because it actually achieves things and it's probably the most far-reaching "belief system" in the world; crossing cultures all over the world. I don't know about "screaming", though. Evangelists seem to do a lot more of that than scientists, especially considering how few Evangelists there are compared to scientifically minded people, but that's only based off of what I've seen. Correction Science Has never proved anything remember How You said that the Qauntum Theory is still just a theory? You cannot technically "prove" anything indefinitely, due to the assumption above. But you can provide a lot of evidence for it. Gravity is "just a theory", too.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:42 am
Why is gravity just a theory and not a law yet? That is so weird. confused
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:04 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly Why is gravity just a theory and not a law yet? That is so weird. confused Because, contrary to popular belief, theories do not become laws. Scientific Laws and scientific theories are equally valid; they just mean two different things.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:11 pm
I always understood it that after theories basically have all the evidence for them and no evidence against them they become laws. At least ... that's how it works in psychology. confused Maybe I'm just really confused? sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:38 pm
how is evolution even proven when evolutoinists themselves have talked of how some things are great words of engineering (years and years of planning)
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:41 am
I just remembered a conversation I had with my cousin on a similar topic. The Bible never stated that it was a scientific textbook. However, if you're looking at it from the perspective of interpersonal relationships and the proper way to treat human beings, starting from Jesus and working your way back, it's great.
The trouble is that much of the horrible acts performed by human individuals in Biblical history overshadow so much of the glory that is Jesus.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:42 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly I always understood it that after theories basically have all the evidence for them and no evidence against them they become laws. At least ... that's how it works in psychology. confused Maybe I'm just really confused? sweatdrop Mm... I think you're confused.Of course, pscyhology has always been a sort of "out-there" scientific field...
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:43 pm
Kirru HYNOtized how is evolution even proven when evolutoinists themselves have talked of how some things are great words of engineering (years and years of planning) What are you talking about?
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:14 am
I read the through the first page and pretty much skipped the rest, so if I've repeated anything already stated before, sorry in advance sweatdrop
Theories have been put to the test by religion and society numerous times in history. In the past it was believed that the Earth was the center of the universe and everything revolved around it, the church accepted that as fact and silenced those who said otherwise (ie Galileo). Obviously, the Earth revolves around the Sun. It was only accepted as fact by everyone once there was undeniable proof of it (when there was enough scientific backing). We can go farther back and repeat the scenario with when it was believed the Earth was flat (Columbus). Right now, the evolution theory has a few (or a lot, I don't enough about it to say for sure) missing links, but who are we to say that in a 1000 years we won't uncover new evidence or gain some super advanced technology that can definitely prove Darwin's Theory right (or wrong)?
I tried to keep my post as neutral as possible, and if I have some inaccurate information in there, I was mainly talking through what I remember from History/Science class and didn't look any of this up. Personally, I can't say I have 100% faith in the literal interpretation of the creation. I can say that I have 100% faith that God did create us. Just to close, I don't believe it's really important how God did it, but that it was God that did do it. (Hope I made some sense sweatdrop )
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:34 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly I always understood it that after theories basically have all the evidence for them and no evidence against them they become laws. At least ... that's how it works in psychology. confused Maybe I'm just really confused? sweatdrop Or maybe science is just really confusing... mrgreen
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:00 pm
Lethkhar Fushigi na Butterfly I always understood it that after theories basically have all the evidence for them and no evidence against them they become laws. At least ... that's how it works in psychology. confused Maybe I'm just really confused? sweatdrop Mm... I think you're confused.Of course, pscyhology has always been a sort of "out-there" scientific field...
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:34 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly Lethkhar Fushigi na Butterfly I always understood it that after theories basically have all the evidence for them and no evidence against them they become laws. At least ... that's how it works in psychology. confused Maybe I'm just really confused? sweatdrop Mm... I think you're confused.Of course, pscyhology has always been a sort of "out-there" scientific field... Nope. Theories and laws operate under the "different but equal" principle when it comes to validity.
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