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 Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:01 pm
brick rd Professor_Markus Mirenes being someone who feels art moreso than learning it i have beef with art students and people being taught not to be rude, but really, that type of thinking is what killed art in the first place. The revolution of art led to dots on canvas, pretentious snobs who think 'everything is art' and losing old techniques in lieu of cheap tricks instead of real talent. I'm currently going to art school, and it's teaching me how to SEE. Nobody is teaching me how to paint, how to use my brush, how to use my paint. It's teaching me to look closer, to develop more, to push harder. It's got nothing to do with "right or wrong" or even *shudder* "what you feel". The same goes for any other trade. Do you think masons become so good from just feeling it? Art is not something special. Many art critics holler and yell about art being much deeper and something special and almost godlike. You can paint really interesting, out there, and bizarre pictures. But do you think it'd be as succesful if you had learned how to paint in the first place instead of putting a pen to a tablet, choosing premixed colours or the same thing over and over? To say you don't need to learn art is to say you don't need to learn how to build houses to build one. It'll fall down around your ears and you'll have nothing left but a shakey, piece of crap house to freeze in lol. the point of masonry is to build things that are sturdy and make sense; you can't build a house that'll fall down and say "that's my interpretation of what a house should be" also, i think it's hilarious that you associate being a pretentious snob with the people who don't go to art school if anything, it's the height of retarded snobbery to assume that studying under someone else's subjective view of a totally subjective pursuit such as visual art is integral or focal to being a good artist Unfortunately, I see you don't quite understand, lemme simplify it. What is the point of art? To be the stability for an idea, to convey it, to shelter it and expose it. I've found that FINE artists are snobs, the same ones who think feelings and thin air will carry them through life,and must justify their work in order for it to be validated. Have you noticed many illustrators or "art whores" who are snobbish? Very few are, because they realize that what they say, they draw and do is in the public eye to some degree, and that it is a JOB. Why would you ever sell a painting with half assed meaning, terrible technique and it's overall ugly? The same with why you wouldn't sell a house. However, art snobs seem to like words to justify their means instead of letting the work show for itself, hence the house metaphor.
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:03 pm
Iminey im not against art classes and schools and i guess tutorials and stuff if only for how they can teach you ways to better your techniques and anatomy and stuff, but the ones that "teach" you WHAT to draw and how to look at things leave me with a bad feeling. nowadays it seems like anyone with money can pay to go to art school and become an artist ,_, so i guess art is both self-taught AND learned, like you can learn HOW to do things (better) but noone can really teach you WHAT things to make. im most impressed with ppl who can take a technique and still do something amazing and unique with it, like they bring their own creativity to the table mrgreen Agreed. I don't believe that any school should tell you HOW or WHAT to draw, and only in extreme circumstances (such as the life drawing teacher at my school who ripped up a girl's anime lifedrawings - they were horribly crude and insulting to the model and the teacher). It's true that anyone can go to college for art, but very few get to go to an art college[/]. I have quite a few in my grade who are piss poor, but the talent of the others is simply amazing.
Like you said, a school should give the person tools to progress personally instead of cookie cutter like. I love those pieces of work the best, where there's alot of skill yet personally beauty to it.
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:03 pm
Quote: I don't know. But judging from your digital work, and sorry for me to say this, but it's a sad excuse at anything "art". Your years of turning a blind eye towards referencing, techniques and just attitude towards "art" shows in it. There's no designs, no anatomy, no colour schemes that are pleasing, eye popping or exaggerated. you are so full of s**t LMAO "art" according to who, you? or maybe your teacher, or whoever it was thats obviously taught you WRONG LMAO if thats really what you think then it makes perfect sense to me why your in artschool and im not blaugh and you keep talking about relating art to making money off of it like i said im not into it to prostitute it like you are but that certainly doesnt make me a hobby artist either
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:06 pm
What's wrong with being a hobbyist?
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:08 pm
Mirenes Quote: I don't know. But judging from your digital work, and sorry for me to say this, but it's a sad excuse at anything "art". Your years of turning a blind eye towards referencing, techniques and just attitude towards "art" shows in it. There's no designs, no anatomy, no colour schemes that are pleasing, eye popping or exaggerated. you are so full of s**t LMAO "art" according to who, you? or maybe your teacher, or whoever it was thats obviously taught you WRONG LMAO if thats really what you think then it makes perfect sense to me why your in artschool and im not blaugh and you keep talking about relating art to making money off of it like i said im not into it to prostitute it like you are but that certainly doesnt make me a hobby artist either So you insult me and turn another blind eye when I tell you how I "see" your art? It does make perfect sense why I'm in artschool and you're not; I'm here to learn, to grow, to expand. You're not. Also, is it prostitution to go to a job 9-5? To work part time for money? Then all forms of work are prostitution.
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:09 pm
The Iconoclast What's wrong with being a hobbyist? nothing @____@ its just not what i am and im not a student either and thats my choice one i do not regret especially considering professors marcus's total load of bull all he keeps saying is oh arts not special and im not special and thats okay i get it :} im the kid who can throw naturally and hes the one whose wasted his summer T^T
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:09 pm
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:10 pm
Mirenes The Iconoclast What's wrong with being a hobbyist? nothing @____@ its just not what i am and im not a student either and thats my choice one i do not regret especially considering professors marcus's total load of bull all he keeps saying is oh arts not special and im not special and thats okay i get it :} im the kid who can throw naturally and hes the one whose wasted his summer T^T What makes you different than me?
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:11 pm
Professor_Markus Mirenes Quote: I don't know. But judging from your digital work, and sorry for me to say this, but it's a sad excuse at anything "art". Your years of turning a blind eye towards referencing, techniques and just attitude towards "art" shows in it. There's no designs, no anatomy, no colour schemes that are pleasing, eye popping or exaggerated. you are so full of s**t LMAO "art" according to who, you? or maybe your teacher, or whoever it was thats obviously taught you WRONG LMAO if thats really what you think then it makes perfect sense to me why your in artschool and im not blaugh and you keep talking about relating art to making money off of it like i said im not into it to prostitute it like you are but that certainly doesnt make me a hobby artist either So you insult me and turn another blind eye when I tell you how I "see" your art? It does make perfect sense why I'm in artschool and you're not; I'm here to learn, to grow, to expand. You're not. Also, is it prostitution to go to a job 9-5? To work part time for money? Then all forms of work are prostitution. yapyapyap go ask your art teachers what im talking about if you cant understand it :}
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:12 pm
Professor_Markus Unfortunately, I see you don't quite understand, lemme simplify it. i'm being exceedingly generous to you simply by reading past this laughably ostentatious sentence, but okay you're actually the one who's missing the point, because you're pulling a hell of a bait-and-switch that's seen a lot in art, cinema, music, etc: you're taking this grand, vague concept of "proper technique" and making it the focal point of all your arguments, then you're trying to finagle your way across the line of subjectivity without anyone noticing yes, there are lots of artistic theories that can be followed mechanically, which can help to make a piece look better, but no amount of "study" can change simple, factual subjectivity ugly is subjective; "eye popping color" is subjective; how well a message is conveyed is subjective; etc. the only thing to which you referred that is remotely objective is "technique", which if you think about it doesn't even make much sense unless your foremost goal as an artist is to draw realistic anatomy and perspectives stripped down, what more is artistic "technique" than the means by which you achieve your desired result? if my desired result is a big red dot as some kind of pretentious, abstract statement about the artistic community, you can argue with me to no end on the artistic value or merit of said result, but if i tried to draw a dot and got a dot, you can't really claim that my technique is faulty just because i wasn't aiming for something you personally like
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:13 pm
The Iconoclast What makes you different than me? i know my name and have no problem calling myself by it your hesitant, standoffish to really admit that you are what you are and i dont know other than that whats different but i know whats the same you didnt go to art school either blaugh
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:14 pm
If you ain't professionally serious about it, and if you ain't a hobbyist....
then what are ya : [
that bugs me
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:15 pm
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:16 pm
warrior_of_boognish If you ain't professionally serious about it, and if you ain't a hobbyist.... then what are ya : [ that bugs me im an artistand it should bug you thats what we do. mrgreen
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:17 pm
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