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| Where do you stand with abortion? |
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23% |
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| Against It... After 3rd term |
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10% |
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| For It... Only under special conditions |
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47% |
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| For It 100% |
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18% |
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 Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:29 pm
and not just the jewish but the gypsies and the other minorities....
if abortion was illegal, i believe that there would actually be reported cases of it. look at alcohol- when it was made illegal there was vast increases in the number of people who were drinking. the numbers went down again after it was made legal again. and years ago, before abortion was legal, many young woman died from "alleyway abortions"- abortions that literally took place in dirty nasty falling down houses or alleys by untrained people looking to make a buck. often, they were done with coat hangers.
*sorry if this repeated any past arguments was reading back trying to get caught up but too lazy to do anything other than just skim....
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 9:20 pm
i was wondering if any of you happened to hear about the doctor who was killed in church...
he provided late-term abortions....and he was gunned down in church...
to take the life of an innocent child is a horrible thing, but to kill another in cold blood for providing an asked for service....i can sorta understand where the guy who killed him was coming from, but the reason im against abortion is because it causes the death of a child...and no matter how old you get or what you do, you are always someones child and no body has the right to take a life.....
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:02 am
I agree, regardless of whether abortion is wrong, killing abortion doctors is un acceptable. I happen to be kind of Jewish (most of you know this) and something I struggle with is that, I have a huge heart towards ministering to the Muslim world, but too often, I see people I love and respect talk about how 'evil' all those 'Arabs' are. (Because FYI most of them aren't Arabic at all, and they don't like being called that, think of if you called a Puerto Rican a Mexican, same if you call a Turk or a Persian an Arab.)
So, in summation, I think abortion is wrong, but answering with death and hate is just a wrong.
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:05 pm
thank you for pointing the difference out to us.....personally, if i dont know a persons nationality, i dont guess....i hate it when people guess mine....
anywhos, the killing of the abortion doctor brings up the timeless question of why do we kill people who kill people to show them that killing people is wrong. abortion is just basically a legal excuse to kill an innocent young child so that you dont have to live up to your responsibility....but that doesnt mean we should kill those who get or perform an abortion....
i have to think how i would feel if josephina melody got an abortion someday....i can teach her that its wrong, but in the end itd be her choice...and id have to live with her choice.....but that doesnt mean i should hate her for doing it
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:52 pm
angel, you seem to misunderstand my viewpoint...i am against abortion except for in extreme cases such as the one you suggested....but look also at the girl who felt so pressured by peer pressure and the pressure put on her by her "loving boyfriend" that she gave in, and got pregnant the first time. im not saying she should go out and get an abortion, but it seems to me that though you claim to be seeing both sides, you aren't seeing the third....
the young girl terrified of becoming a mother....the boyfriend who wants nothing to do with his child...a teenage girl in that kind of situation may not know all the choices that are available and may end up making the choice of abortion because to her at the time it seems like the easy way out---she gets to keep her boyfriend....she doesnt have to wrry about unwanted responsibility....she doesnt have to wrry about disappointing her parents or being declared the school slut...
im not saying this is right, or even that it should happen...but with te law the way it is right now, it is the individual women's choice....and just sayign it shouldn't be is not going to change that law, unfortunately. that is why we, who wish to see abortion made illegal except in extreme cases, should make our voices heard as much as possible...
another thing that strikes me as strange is that you seemed to say that an abortion would be traumatic only to a woman that has been raped...im not so sure....an abortion can be traumatic to anyone who experiences it...im not sure if thats wat you actually meant, but that is the way it came out, so if you didnt mean it that way, then im srry....
im also srry if any of this post is offensive or rude in any way...that is not my goal....im simply trying to vent my frustration with a world who says it is legal to do something that is morally wrong....its horrible
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:51 am
HEY!!! All of you people who are for abortions are any of you adopted??? Probably not... Listen to my story and try to see it for my point of view.
My mom got pregnant with me at 16. She wasn't even out of high school. She knew as soon as she found out she was pregnant she made a huge mistake. She knew not only it was going to be hell for her but for her baby... that baby is me. She knew she wouldn't be able to take care of me alone, but she was going to try, with the help of her mom. She had her mind set on keeping me. Then her grandfather came along and convinced her out of keeping me. So when I was born she gave me to some friends. The friends were 35 at the time. She decide to give me to them because when my mom was five she told the friends( Dina and Jerry) that she was going to give them her first baby. So I was gave to them. It was a legal, filed adoption. I've talked about a lot of people... except for one. My dad. I haven't met my dad till this day, but my mom is waiting on a call from him. He is supposed to call this week. I'm waiting.
So I'm gonna explain my family more now. I call my biological mom, mom. I call my biological dad by his first name, Jared. I call Dina by her first name when she and Jerry are not around. I call Jerry my dad. I love my mom to death, literally. I love Jared even though I never met him. I HATE Dina with the deepest pits of hate. I love my dad so much that there is no words for it.
My mom and Jared broke up a little after she got pregnant. And he dated another girl and got her pregnant too!!! (a*****e) I don't know anything about this sibling. Neither does my mom. SO I have a long lost sibling that is 12, born 1997, born near the beginning of the year, was born in Colorado, and has a dad named Jared Odell. If anybody knows anyone who fits this description or if you fit this description PLEASE private message me. Anyway my mom is now married to a guy named Duane. They have had one child and have one on the way (I found out yesterday. I'm so happy.). Their first child's name is Sage, she's my half sibling. They don't know if the upcoming baby is a boy or a girl... but I'm SO excited!!!
Dina and my dad are no longer together they got a divorce, so now I live with Dina.I HATE her. I get to visit my dad every-other weekend. I LOVE him. So that's my story.
Now I get to explain my point of how abortion is horribly wrong. If my mom had an abortion then I wouldn't be able to tell my story or live. I want to be a veterinarian and I my mom got a abortion then I wouldn't of been able to help all of the animals I'm going to help.
And from the basic point of view: It's ill-legal to kill a person, it's called manslaughter. Killing a un-born child is the same as killing a born child or an adult. Abortion is killing a human being. Also no matter who you are you were a child at one point. Imagine when your mom got pregnant with you if she got an abortion what would you miss? You would miss your whole life. That's what happens everytime an abortion happens, a innocent child is killed. You may never know, a baby could turn out to be a famous inventor, the next president, or even have a bad life and be homeless. But they still got to live a life. It may not have been the best of lives but at least they had one.
That's my point so I hope you under stand.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:38 pm
i understand wat you are saying perfectly, twilight. i was adopted too. but before my biological parents gave me up for adoption, i went through five years of horrible physical and emotional abuse. i wasn't adopted till i was eleven, and then it was by a guy who adopted a whole bunch of girls to...well, you can probably get it....and his wife was no better because she was horribly jealous and rather than turning him in she abused us physically as well.
the woman my daughter is named after is the woman i consider my mom. i spent most of my life hiding out in her house, and the day i met her she told me to call her mom cuz everybody else did. she was the person who made me glad that my mother hadnt gotten an abortion, even though my life thus far had been crummy. so yes, i get it.
however, i am still for abortion in extreme cases. let me explain once again my idea of an extreme case so you know wat i mean....my friends mother was in a car accident when she was four months pregnant. the sign tha car crashed into went through her abdomen and sliced her child in half. miraculasly, the baby was still alive. however, there was no way to get the other half of the baby out and it was slowly poisoning both mother and child. there was no way the baby would live more than a few days with that kind of poisoning and if by some miracle it did, it would die within minutes of being out of the womb. and my friends mother would have died as well, long before she was ever able to bring the child into the world. she made the decision to abort because she was already a mother of three, and while she had survived the crash, her husband hadnt. if she died there would be no one to take care of her children and they would go into foaster care.
another situation is were a different friend was pregnant and the guy who got her pregnant beat her on a daily basis...when she got her ultrasound done, the baby's heart was still beating but the water was completely depleted and the baby had stopped developing two months before. she waited another month and even though the baby was still alive, it still wasnt developing. the doctor had never seen anything like it and actually described it as the living dead. mandi decided to get an abortion because the baby wouldnt be able to live outside of the womb, and at that point the doctor was becoming concerned that the baby would die and become calcified. it tore her apart. she made sure that her baby, who she named ian christopher after a gentic profiling to try and fihure out the cause proved he was a boy, got a gravesite and a tombstone and she visits the site almost everyday. shes never gotten over losing him.
so yes, in cases like these i am for abortion. if the baby will survive a few days, or a few weeks, there is always a chance the doctor could be wrong so you shouldnt get an abortion. but if i was faced with a pregnancy that would kill both me and my child, i would get an abortion because i am a single mom and i need to look out for the best of my children. but i would never forget my child....
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:48 am
ok ima kee my post short and sweet no i dont believe in killing a fetus under certain conditions. 1. mother is reminded of the rape that got her pregnant. 2. the child has good possibility never surviving or might kill the mother during labor. i dont believe im murdering an unwanted baby put it up for adoption thats perfectly legal and there are people who want kids who can have them. abortion is wrong in most cases
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:49 pm
"Such is the mortal sin of man..."
Abortion is that sin. Who has a right to live? Who doesn't? Who has the right to choose if they deserve to live or not? Certainly not you or me, or those killers who call themselves doctors.
I understand that mothers and fathers are often scared when they learn that in nine months, a little bundle of joy might become a little bundle of hell. However...when do you earn the right to kill or keep a child?
Also, I understand that what the doctors do...it's their job. They're obligated to do it. But I don't like it. A child is a person, with a heartbeat and a soul (if you believe in souls, that is). No person can end that child without being guilty. Killing a person is manslaughter--killing an infant, in my eyes, is murder.'
I understand that some people don't see any other options other than abortion. But, here's two right now--(1) Raise it YOURSELF, or (2) Give it up for adoption. There's two. OH MY GOD.
And, yes, I'm being cynical. But, yes, I believe in what I'm saying. I don't think that a child can be killed just so some teenager can get rid of their mistakes. We all make mistakes. We all deal with them. And, true, maybe in ten years I'll end up pregnant and alone, and I'll be scared to death--but I'll end up dealing with it. We all will.
Don't give up a child's life before it even has a chance to live.
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