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 Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:53 am
I am royally annoyed with Storm Guardians now. Without their grenades, there is no point to them. Sure having a fusion gun or flamer is handy, but a waste if you ask me.
Also, a diresword is COMPLETELY different from a force weapon.
With force weapons, for any wound (saved or not) the ATTACKER can take a PYSCHIC test. If the test is passed, the opponent is removed no matter how many wounds they still have. Easy way to kill C'tan.
With a Diresword, if a model fails an armour save from it- the OPPONENT has to take a LEADERSHIP test for each wound suffered. If any are failed, the victim is removed no matter how many wounds it was. Would be a great way to kill a C'tan, if any Eldar were strong enough to do any damage.
And trust me, they are not.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:07 pm
ManagerKyoto I am royally annoyed with Storm Guardians now. Without their grenades, there is no point to them. Sure having a fusion gun or flamer is handy, but a waste if you ask me. Also, a diresword is COMPLETELY different from a force weapon. With force weapons, for any wound (saved or not) the ATTACKER can take a PYSCHIC test. If the test is passed, the opponent is removed no matter how many wounds they still have. Easy way to kill C'tan. With a Diresword, if a model fails an armour save from it- the OPPONENT has to take a LEADERSHIP test for each wound suffered. If any are failed, the victim is removed no matter how many wounds it was. Would be a great way to kill a C'tan, if any Eldar were strong enough to do any damage. And trust me, they are not.
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:13 am
King Kento Oh well, thats the c'tan. I think itd be a bit much if a basic troop choice squad leader could take out a c'tan. Still a good weapon in my opinion. I agree. That last comment was more in reference to anyone trying to bring Asurmen into the equation. Now a witchblade or singing spear against a C'tan- that is a different story all together.
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:16 pm
ManagerKyoto I am royally annoyed with Storm Guardians now. Without their grenades, there is no point to them. Sure having a fusion gun or flamer is handy, but a waste if you ask me. Also, a diresword is COMPLETELY different from a force weapon. With force weapons, for any wound (saved or not) the ATTACKER can take a PYSCHIC test. If the test is passed, the opponent is removed no matter how many wounds they still have. Easy way to kill C'tan. With a Diresword, if a model fails an armour save from it- the OPPONENT has to take a LEADERSHIP test for each wound suffered. If any are failed, the victim is removed no matter how many wounds it was. Would be a great way to kill a C'tan, if any Eldar were strong enough to do any damage. And trust me, they are not. I'd not underestimate Eldar in close combat.
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:49 am
The Diresword is quite nice for a cheap (no more expensive than the usual power weapon upgrades for sergeants) Power Weapon on a Troops Choice which has the possibility of instagibbing commanders (with a bit of luck). It's not a be all or end all, like a Force Weapon, but it's more of a bonus tacked onto a regular Power Weapon, and gives a bit of a threat when the Avenger Squad is charged with a command squad or so.
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:51 am
DarkElf27 ManagerKyoto I am royally annoyed with Storm Guardians now. Without their grenades, there is no point to them. Sure having a fusion gun or flamer is handy, but a waste if you ask me. Also, a diresword is COMPLETELY different from a force weapon. With force weapons, for any wound (saved or not) the ATTACKER can take a PYSCHIC test. If the test is passed, the opponent is removed no matter how many wounds they still have. Easy way to kill C'tan. With a Diresword, if a model fails an armour save from it- the OPPONENT has to take a LEADERSHIP test for each wound suffered. If any are failed, the victim is removed no matter how many wounds it was. Would be a great way to kill a C'tan, if any Eldar were strong enough to do any damage. And trust me, they are not. I'd not underestimate Eldar in close combat. I am not, nor will I. I am merely saying that for the most part it is imposible for the eldar to kill a C'tan in cc. True there are exceptions- a wraithlord (wounding on 2+), avartar and wraithguard (both wounding on 6+), warlock or farseer with witchblade or singing spear, or a striking scorpin exarch with a biting blade who hits with both his/her attacks (wounding on 6+).
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:33 pm
The only thing strong enough to kill a C'tan with a force(or force-related) weapon is a Grey Knight Grand Marshal. Space marines are only S 4, which is impossible to wound a T 8 creature like a C'Tan.
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:37 pm
ManagerKyoto DarkElf27 ManagerKyoto I am royally annoyed with Storm Guardians now. Without their grenades, there is no point to them. Sure having a fusion gun or flamer is handy, but a waste if you ask me. Also, a diresword is COMPLETELY different from a force weapon. With force weapons, for any wound (saved or not) the ATTACKER can take a PYSCHIC test. If the test is passed, the opponent is removed no matter how many wounds they still have. Easy way to kill C'tan. With a Diresword, if a model fails an armour save from it- the OPPONENT has to take a LEADERSHIP test for each wound suffered. If any are failed, the victim is removed no matter how many wounds it was. Would be a great way to kill a C'tan, if any Eldar were strong enough to do any damage. And trust me, they are not. I'd not underestimate Eldar in close combat. I am not, nor will I. I am merely saying that for the most part it is imposible for the eldar to kill a C'tan in cc. True there are exceptions- a wraithlord (wounding on 2+), avartar and wraithguard (both wounding on 6+), warlock or farseer with witchblade or singing spear, or a striking scorpin exarch with a biting blade who hits with both his/her attacks (wounding on 6+).
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:46 pm
Idon't play eldar, but do any of you guys who do have any idea who the orbs of Zandros are? They're apparently one of the warrior aspects, but as to what their speciality is, I have been unsuccesful in my research.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:40 am
can someone point out some key factors of why eldar rock? if they are anything like dark eldar, you would have to know how to use them really well, (my friend has dark eldar and he's never won a fight)
could someone explain usefull tactics of eldar to me or sumthin?
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:24 am
Quote: True there are exceptions- a wraithlord (wounding on 2+), avartar and wraithguard (both wounding on 6+), warlock or farseer with witchblade or singing spear, or a striking scorpin exarch with a biting blade who hits with both his/her attacks (wounding on 6+). Unless they have some rules stopping it, any Warlock (or Farseer). In fact, a Warlock in a large Guardian squad could slowly kill one without risk of being targeted as long as there are Guardians (or whatever squad they're in) with them who have to be hit first (and as long as they don't break).
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:07 am
Pontius Pirate The only thing strong enough to kill a C'tan with a force(or force-related) weapon is a Grey Knight Grand Marshal. Space marines are only S 4, which is impossible to wound a T 8 creature like a C'Tan. Blood Angels Chaplin or Librarian. I forget which one I saw do it. But this should be continued somewhere else.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:08 pm
Dont play panzees. I fight them. Now they re absolutely filthy, and I dspise them. The fact that they ACTUALLY made harlequins better is justplain hilarious though biggrin
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:07 pm
MekboyUrishima Dont play panzees. I fight them. Now they re absolutely filthy, and I dspise them. The fact that they ACTUALLY made harlequins better is justplain hilarious though biggrin Now that you've shat all over the army topics, are you satisfied that you made the mistake that I once did?
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:25 pm
MekboyUrishima Dont play panzees. I fight them. Now they re absolutely filthy, and I dspise them. The fact that they ACTUALLY made harlequins better is justplain hilarious though biggrin
Pansies?
For variety, Eldar piss all over Death Guard. At least they have functional Fast Attack choices, and aren't limited.
Try and move a Death Guard force up a table, while the Eldar dance about picking your men off.
It's happened to me.
-Mykal
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