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Hmm Im not sure what the astartes are. I just know the imperium talks out both sides of it's mouth. I play marines and some days I cant make sence of it. Some Inquisitors even have favorite alien races..... thats not right... I think the emperors orginal message got lost over the 10,000 year span.

yes indeed, the Imperials don't like space marines much, I think the only reason why the imperials don't attack them is because they don't want to deal with a whole chapter droping on there heads or to a more extream... an extermanatus.

BAH!!! *bleep* ASSUALT CANNONS I HATE THEM!!! *bleep* THEM!!! >.> well, the cyclonic Ion blaster is basicaly a assualt cannon cept with assualt 5.

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Ermm... sorry for bleeping you. As much as I enjoy the use of the word, I don't feel it is appropriate here.

Isis - Your friendly neighborhood Mod of doom.

22 crissis suits? Where do you figure that? Well, i have to set up accourding to the Force organization Chart becuase of the tournemants and what people play to, and there is no way to use 22 crissis suits... And i know, that i wont be able to really take many nids out and many Space marines out... wait hold that thought, uhh... ok with my current army, i did kill quite a few Space marines, if that battle were to draw on, i would have wiped the Black templar player out, darned recon mission... He had his HQ and all the costly stuff on my side of the table, had to pick the long sides of the table... But no, he had only 2 dready's out, and 3 marine squads, 2 really, becuase the 3rd one just had the commander left in it... And that damned razor back... But other then that, if i didnt have to worry about Recon, i would have effectivly killed him... I squished his main defences, since Fire Warriors have the majority of the board covered when placed right... on the long side of course. Pretty much, i had him down to about 500-800 points, while i was up in the 1000's and to top it off, but 400 of those points were on ,my side of the field, and i had 300 something on his. If i could have gotten my last crissis suit team on there...

Ohh, and there is no possible way to field 80 crissis suits, inless you over exagerated, or you just said ******** using the Force organization chart, wich would kinda suck, depending on how many units you had, and what the crissis suits were equiped with, they could have made an extreamly effective fighting force... but any ways, i think me and my 7, about to be 8 or 9, crissis suits, and my 50+ firewarriors can handle so far... I got to paint my extra Fire Warriors...

Well it still has less then the punch of an assault cannon that is also rending.

But I do wonder one thing, does anyone but me think that those strain leaders shouldn't have more leadership then a Space Marine Terminator? I was blown back when I saw that. My Terminators can only have 9 Leadership while that strain leader has 10. I do see the draw back to this because a sniper could pick that strain leader out and send the Strain into disarray but still 10 leadership...

Very Sneaky you are there Isis, but who needs them as an HQ when you can put 6 of them in your army! Haha!

But seriously, I'm going to talk more about some rules for the dreads in the rules brainstorming area there are a lot of other things that need to be said about their rules.

Well, i think that the strainleaders are more like the Necrons really, they have those helmets, and if you get a chance to read the New codex, says something about the Vespids bowing down to the ethreals... Any one say Mindless? Brain washing items! Yay! D&D all over again!

True, so true, and whats even scarier? a double tapping Spcace marine, bolters hurt enough any who. gonk