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 Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:25 pm
JulieDoc Oh, here's one. "I cannot reveal to you what (insert name of Goddess) is, but I can, with absolute authority, tell you exactly what She is not." This isn't unreasonable to me. Oaths and whatnot can keep people from telling folks what a deity is- their name, their domain etc, and yet some can still tell you what they are not.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:56 pm
TeaDidikai This isn't unreasonable to me. Oaths and whatnot can keep people from telling folks what a deity is- their name, their domain etc, and yet some can still tell you what they are not. Not to mention the utter awesomeness of negative Theology.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:56 am
Rookherst[KOS] TeaDidikai This isn't unreasonable to me. Oaths and whatnot can keep people from telling folks what a deity is- their name, their domain etc, and yet some can still tell you what they are not. Not to mention the utter awesomeness of negative Theology. I love how heady you can be sometimes. 4laugh
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:17 am
TeaDidikai Rookherst[KOS] TeaDidikai This isn't unreasonable to me. Oaths and whatnot can keep people from telling folks what a deity is- their name, their domain etc, and yet some can still tell you what they are not. Not to mention the utter awesomeness of negative Theology. I love how heady you can be sometimes. 4laugh Well, I think what made this statement invalid was the bit about "absolute authority". No one has that, though some people might think otherwise.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:25 am
JulieDoc TeaDidikai Rookherst[KOS] TeaDidikai This isn't unreasonable to me. Oaths and whatnot can keep people from telling folks what a deity is- their name, their domain etc, and yet some can still tell you what they are not. Not to mention the utter awesomeness of negative Theology. I love how heady you can be sometimes. 4laugh Well, I think what made this statement invalid was the bit about "absolute authority". No one has that, though some people might think otherwise. Again, I disagree. Gardner had absolute authority on his theology- rest his soul. The Pope has absolute authority on Catholic Christian practices. People who quote authority have authority. A lineaged Wiccan from Gardner's Coven would have authority to be able to state what their goddess is not as long as it didn't violate their oaths. In Gardner's case- he did as much himself.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:25 am
TeaDidikai JulieDoc TeaDidikai Rookherst[KOS] TeaDidikai This isn't unreasonable to me. Oaths and whatnot can keep people from telling folks what a deity is- their name, their domain etc, and yet some can still tell you what they are not. Not to mention the utter awesomeness of negative Theology. I love how heady you can be sometimes. 4laugh Well, I think what made this statement invalid was the bit about "absolute authority". No one has that, though some people might think otherwise. Again, I disagree. Gardner had absolute authority on his theology- rest his soul. The Pope has absolute authority on Catholic Christian practices. People who quote authority have authority. A lineaged Wiccan from Gardner's Coven would have authority to be able to state what their goddess is not as long as it didn't violate their oaths. In Gardner's case- he did as much himself. Maybe I wasn't clear again. The point I was really trying to make was no one IS an absolute authority on anything. No one knows everything about any particular subject, except, perhaps, their own thoughts and ideas. (Even then, this doesn't always work. A story is a writer's own idea. Someone walks in and asks: "Where are you going with this work?" The author could reply genuinely: "I don't know.") Since Wicca was Gardner's concept, he could be said to be an absolute authority on the subject. (Even this concept may have some holes in it, if he ever was confronted with a question about Wicca, and replied, "I don't know." We'll not know that unless we had a time machine, so, there can only be speculation on such a thing.) Though a Pope may have claimed to know everything about the Christian God, for example, this would be a pompous statement, as the entire nature of the divine cannot be known by human beings simply becuse we are limited. This is what I believe, anyway. I was just saying, people should be leery of anyone who says that they are an absolute authority on any subject and tries to dictate the lives and thoughts of others because that "authority" knows everything there is to know. Then again, I could be wrong. I don't claim to be an authority myself. confused
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:11 am
JulieDoc The point I was really trying to make was no one IS an absolute authority on anything. I completely disagree. Quote: No one knows everything about any particular subject, except, perhaps, their own thoughts and ideas. (Even then, this doesn't always work. A story is a writer's own idea. Someone walks in and asks: "Where are you going with this work?" The author could reply genuinely: "I don't know.") Unless the author does know in which case they could tell them. Quote: Though a Pope may have claimed to know everything about the Christian God, for example, this would be a pompous statement, as the entire nature of the divine cannot be known by human beings simply becuse we are limited. This is what I believe, anyway. Except- the Pope and the Caetchism doesn't make that assertion. They assert they are the authority of the Church. Quote: I was just saying, people should be leery of anyone who says that they are an absolute authority on any subject and tries to dictate the lives and thoughts of others because that "authority" knows everything there is to know. Sometimes people do know everything there is to know on a given subject. ~shurgs~ It happens.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:46 am
Quote: I love how heady you can be sometimes. I can't tell if that's a compliment or an insult, but in the interest of being an Egotist and a Hubris b*****d.....I'll just assume you wana jump my bones. As for this "no one has absolute authority bit..." It's irrelevant to the comment provided. "I cannot reveal to you what (insert name of Goddess) is, but I can, with absolute authority, tell you exactly what She is not." I , not even needing a Goddess' name in the insert, can tell you with absolute authority tell you at least one thing which she is not. A He. If one were to insert the goddess, then on could continue on in likewise fashion. Again. Negative theology FTW
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:11 pm
Rookherst[KOS] Quote: I love how heady you can be sometimes. I can't tell if that's a compliment or an insult, but in the interest of being an Egotist and a Hubris b*****d.....I'll just assume you wana jump my bones. As for this "no one has absolute authority bit..." It's irrelevant to the comment provided. "I cannot reveal to you what (insert name of Goddess) is, but I can, with absolute authority, tell you exactly what She is not." I , not even needing a Goddess' name in the insert, can tell you with absolute authority tell you at least one thing which she is not. A He. Now that . . . that was brilliant. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:15 pm
Rookherst[KOS] I can't tell if that's a compliment or an insult, but in the interest of being an Egotist and a Hubris b*****d.....I'll just assume you wana jump my bones. Ummm... close enough. But you'll have to check with my husband. mrgreen Quote: I , not even needing a Goddess' name in the insert, can tell you with absolute authority tell you at least one thing which she is not. A He. Unless- of course, she is a shapeshifter. talk2hand
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:24 pm
JulieDoc "I cannot reveal to you what (insert name of Goddess) is, but I can, with absolute authority, tell you exactly what She is not." I deliberately didn't mention said name, because who knows what kind of things I would be accused of? I already know that there are some here that views the worshippers of said pantheon with contempt. I did not want to attract said contempt. I only included the statement because it sounded as lofty and pompous to me as some of the other "unwise" statements in this thread. I never meant to cause trouble.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:29 pm
TeaDidikai Ummm... close enough. But you'll have to check with my husband. mrgreen I'm game for an Eiffel tower! Quote: Unless- of course, she is a shapeshifter. talk2hand I have to go to work soon crying don't drag me into semantics debate, I love semantics. Before I go: No, she is a she. She can become a He(being a shape shifter) the distinction of principle gender has been made. Ergo, in TRUTH she is not a He (although she can BECOME a he)
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:30 pm
JulieDoc I never meant to cause trouble. No trouble. I love a Healthy Debate! Worst thing to say as a Pagan: Goddess worship predates prehistoric Animism.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:46 pm
Rookherst[KOS] I have to go to work soon crying don't drag me into semantics debate, I love semantics. Before I go: No, she is a she. She can become a He(being a shape shifter) the distinction of principle gender has been made. Ergo, in TRUTH she is not a He (although she can BECOME a he) Unless said She was a He to begin with. Case in point: Loki. mrgreen Rookherst[KOS] Worst thing to say as a Pagan: Goddess worship predates prehistoric Animism. Ouch.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:50 pm
JulieDoc I deliberately didn't mention said name, because who knows what kind of things I would be accused of? I have a pretty good idea. No matter if I am right or not- I could still come up with some interesting ones you aardvark eater you! Quote: I already know that there are some here that views the worshippers of said pantheon with contempt. Oh? Which pantheon? Quote: I did not want to attract said contempt. Pish posh. Personally, I don't see anything to hold in contempt. I mean, it isn't like there is a trial going on. And even if there was- this is an international forum. Whose laws would we follow? Oh! Oh! Can I wear a funny looking wig? Quote: I only included the statement because it sounded as lofty and pompous to me as some of the other "unwise" statements in this thread. Meh. I don't think so. Depends on the context of the statement. Quote: I never meant to cause trouble. Trouble? Where? ninja
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