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I know how you feel. My first reaction to the "abortion song" was to cry. I couldn't comprehend how people could flaunt insults like that.

I'm dead serious that I had to go to the doctor after debating once. My blood pressure went WAY up. I only went in because there were some not-so-informer prolifers being eaten alive and I figured they could use some help. Bad idea. The nurse came to flush my mediport, so I left the computer, after watching a few pages of attacks, went downstairs, and she took my blood pressure, which was at that point part of the routine.

Then she told me to either call the doctor or go to the ER if I couldn't get ahold of him.

Not fun. I mean, obviously I'm still here, but I haven't gone in since then. When people need support I"ll go somewhere, but that's about it, I just can't take debating right now. It's such an emotional topic for me.

What gets me is when people won't look at things from my point of view. I look at things from theirs. I don't tell them, "You shouldn't feel like that." So why am I told I shouldn't feel bad about people being aborted "since they aren't people?" To me, they ARE people. When it comes to looking at things with my pov, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, to me, people are dying in mass amounts and it tears me apart. If people won't even attempt to understand where I'm coming from, why should I bother with them?

I wish I was prochoice. I wish I didn't know as much as I do. But God blessed and cursed me with curiosity and a strong desire to help in whatever way I can whenever I'm needed. I know what I know, and knowing that, I can't in good conscience be prochoice. It'd be so much easier if I'd never known. It'd be so much easier to never poke too far into it, and to keep the whole women's rights motto and go with what people are telling me left and right that I should believe.

But I won't. I really can't, either, and never had a chance. I've met too many people in life. I woulda found out eventually, maybe even after I'd had an abortion myself, or after I'd encouraged someone else to get one. So even though it was easier before I knew all this crud, I'm glad I figured it out.

Wow... it's the same with me... I didn't know it was so stressful for everyone. I thought I was the only one. And... what? She put it in her signature? That is... unbelievable. It disgusts me. ARGH. Childbirth ISN'T Hell.

We do need to start a new thread... I mean it. We should. It should have reliable facts on the front, and debating rules. It can have "STAFF" or "THREAD MODERATORS" in big, bold letters, ready to erase any and all posts that are insulting to or mocking others. And, from reading that sentence, I think I'm starting to cry, myself.

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I also felt horrible when I read that song. It was disgusting. I'm sorry lymelady, for all that you had to go through in that hospital. I'd read your journal entry (I read nearly everyone's journals), and it of course was very true, but horrible. You shouldn't have had to go through that. No one deserves that. That's not supposed to happen in real debates.

"Debating" is really emotional for me, because of what being attacked by them did to me and seeing other Lifers being torn at. I hate it. I'm extremely fragile now and cannot cope with even the slightest bit of mocking. I even put Gekido Yuga on my ignore list because I couldn't stand seeing her signature with my post being mocked in it.



We need to PM the Pro-Lifers who come to that thread with a link to the guild, and show us our support and that we know how stressed out they are. Think of all the potential guild members we could be gaining and all of the people who we could help regain their self-esteem, so that they won't feel obligated to suspecting that they're wrong in heart and mind in believing the way they do.

I need to go offline, I'll be back on tomorrow. Maybe we could talk a little more about a new thread or PMing Pro-Lifers right when they first post on the thread, to help them avoid a pointless debate that will only discourage them. What do you all think?

SHe has that signature really small. ALmost liek she's a bit ashamed of it. WHat made me cry, however...was that she named the child...Keena...I think. I almost didn't notice it. I had to look for the egg to see it. Sad...realy sad. I thought about PMIng her and asking her reaosn for having an abortion, but I'm sure she would misconstrude my honost question as an attack on her rights. rolleyes

I al;so found somthign very interesting I would liek to comment on form there



Tackign responsibility is indeed mackign a choice. How ever, you made the choice to have sex, you got pregant, and then went out and had an abortion. You did not take the responsibility for having sex. So...what now?

Do whats right for you? Out side of an abortion clinic? Woman goign in who are unsure? Seeing a bunch of pro-choicers out there, holding "do whats right for you" signs can be interpreted as "ABortion is right."

I know what they're trying to do with those particuler sighns. They're saying that you can have an abortion or not, either way we're fine with it, but thats not what it will look like if they do it out side of an abortion clinic. Besides, its just extra pressure, and most of the woman who walk up that path and go through those doors don't need it. The same could be said for pro-life picketers.

Hmm, alright, I will PM him soon, and maybe you could talk to him on MSN with your idea, too. I'm not sure how we're going to get this thing working, though, but I'm sure we'll think of something.

Yes, its sad. The complain abotu how every thing about having a child is so ******** up. Whats even more sad is that they're the ones complainigng, and yet they really arnt tryign to do any thign about it.

Hey guys, listen to this.

"It isnt foolish at all, especially considering you have already had one. (so sorry about what happened....myself, i would have died...you are a strong woman!)
I'm 19 and I have a 1 year old little boy....and he is the absolute best thing in my life. Yeah, having a child when you are this young kinda takes your social and party life away ( ok...not kinda...it DOES)...but that by no means "destroys" your life. Children bless your life in ways nothing else could! 3nodding
Alot of people said I wasnt ready to have a kid....well, screw them....me and him are doin just fine...and i wouldnt trade him for anything!
So congrats on your new little one (on the way)!!!...and just ignore those ignorant people that want to try to make something this wonderful into a bad thing."

I was so happy to hear some one say that. Isn't that just wonderful?

The post came in responce to some one who asked if it was wrong to have a baby at 21. Every one was saying "Its only okay if your financialy ready and you feel ready" they all plassed a storng enfasice on finance...i think that wrong...

In every case save for the very rare ones where it is done to save the womans life, abortion has selfish reasons behind it. I can't have a baby because it'll take away form my personle life, I can't have a baby because it'll cut into my savings account/money. Most of the time today, the woman who abort are those who, at the time, wher eonly thinking of themselfs. They wanted that feelign that comes from sex, and nothign more.

Or if the baby is already dead or they know for sure that it will die. But mostly it has to do with selfish yet and what gets me is that they say that they care and arn't being selfish. What gets me more is that most think adoption is immoral, sure it is not the best thing in the world but at least they can live and they can say themselfs if they hate their life or not. To me most of pro-choicers are really pro-abortion. I believe it's still up to them to choose cause I believe God gave us free will.