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 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:37 am
I.Am Pyrotechnic Oracle Kill people to make a problem go away? Didn't some one else back in histroy try that? SOme one famouse. Oh, mmm...starts with an H...he started a whole politliticle movement that took over an entire nation and held the world in fear. Mmmmm HITLER! Yeah! That was it. Adolf Hitler. Oh noes! You said teh 'H' word! That means your opponents are teh wins! gonk I forget what they call that rule, but, in cases like this where the comparison is valid, it is stupid. Godwin's law. Its a debate law that applies to online debates and first appeared in 98, I think (Wikipedia has the whole story) It dosn't just prohibit the calling of your opponent a Nazi (media and any thing and any one to do with them). It even prohibits its use when your comparing them to Nazis and not calling them one. I can under stand it. Although abortion was born form the Nazi mentality, to say that pro-choicer (or pro-lifers) are any thing like Nazis (this being a direct acusation or a simple comparison) is a hidioues and insulting over statement. But then again...some times its not.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:17 am
Pyrotechnic Oracle I.Am Pyrotechnic Oracle Kill people to make a problem go away? Didn't some one else back in histroy try that? SOme one famouse. Oh, mmm...starts with an H...he started a whole politliticle movement that took over an entire nation and held the world in fear. Mmmmm HITLER! Yeah! That was it. Adolf Hitler. Oh noes! You said teh 'H' word! That means your opponents are teh wins! gonk I forget what they call that rule, but, in cases like this where the comparison is valid, it is stupid. Godwin's law. Its a debate law that applies to online debates and first appeared in 98, I think (Wikipedia has the whole story) It dosn't just prohibit the calling of your opponent a Nazi (media and any thing and any one to do with them). It even prohibits its use when your comparing them to Nazis and not calling them one. I can under stand it. Although abortion was born form the Nazi mentality, to say that pro-choicer (or pro-lifers) are any thing like Nazis (this being a direct acusation or a simple comparison) is a hidioues and insulting over statement. But then again...some times its not. I still think it's ridiculous that people think think that comparing -anything- to Nazis or Hitler automatically throws out your argument. I had an argument once where I said something along the lines of Hitler started as a down-and-out painter, and came to almost taking over the entire world, which shows that starting in poverty does not mean that you are stuck in poverty, or that your life will suck. (It's a weird comparison, I know, but Hitler was the only real life poverty-to-riches-type story I could think of off the top of my head at the time.) And they automatically said "Godwin's law." I wasn't comparing them to Hitler, and I wasn't comparing anything to Hitler unfavorably. They just saw the word Hitler, and started raining fire on me.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:30 am
DarkFire168 Actually, these are not. These are the people who support the slaughter of an entire race. Why must pro-lifers idiocize themselves by making bad, illogical attempts at cannonizing all pro-choicers as evil and monsters. We're not the Nazi's, we're just people with different opinions, why is it that when people say your opinion is wrong you guys go apeshit and attack with "Quit trying to call us evil, we just have different opinions! ETC. ETC." but when WE have different opinions, you guys call us Hitler? It seems pretty hypocritical. Erm...what? I didn't call anyone prochoice hitler. I called the guy saying, "We must eliminate white people off of the face of the earth," hitleresque since that is his solution to the white problem, and that someone who said things like he did has been into the abortion debate thread so I'm not in a mood to talk about it fairly right now since I'm too emotional.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:09 pm
DarkFire168 Kaiser... I'm so dissappointed with you. You know we love you, it's only the STUPID pro-lifers we wanna kill. Any intelligent pro-lifer in there is welcomed with open arms, it's guys like Seraph8X and TaiDarkWindAlchemist (or whatever that name gimping b*****d calles himself, damn Elric leg humper) that we tear to bits. And come on, admit it, they make you guys look BAD. I know, this is why I posted those two thing in here. Though they weren't answered (which is ok X3), it's a just a place where I can put my thoughts.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:14 pm
Why must pro-lifers 'idiocize' themselves?
Hm.
That's not a word, as far as the dictionary is concerned.
Just sayin'.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:17 pm
DarkFire, 'we', refering to pro-lifers who actually have an idea of what we are talking about (include me on this one, because really I have no idea what im talking about half the time, just in general), don't call pro-choicers nazis or the like. Actually these people are some of the best debaters I've ever met. Cool headed, logical, open to reason, and professional.
I doubt anyone in here has ever personally attacked someone in a debate.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:21 pm
I.Am Pyrotechnic Oracle I.Am Pyrotechnic Oracle Kill people to make a problem go away? Didn't some one else back in histroy try that? SOme one famouse. Oh, mmm...starts with an H...he started a whole politliticle movement that took over an entire nation and held the world in fear. Mmmmm HITLER! Yeah! That was it. Adolf Hitler. Oh noes! You said teh 'H' word! That means your opponents are teh wins! gonk I forget what they call that rule, but, in cases like this where the comparison is valid, it is stupid. Godwin's law. Its a debate law that applies to online debates and first appeared in 98, I think (Wikipedia has the whole story) It dosn't just prohibit the calling of your opponent a Nazi (media and any thing and any one to do with them). It even prohibits its use when your comparing them to Nazis and not calling them one. I can under stand it. Although abortion was born form the Nazi mentality, to say that pro-choicer (or pro-lifers) are any thing like Nazis (this being a direct acusation or a simple comparison) is a hidioues and insulting over statement. But then again...some times its not. I still think it's ridiculous that people think think that comparing -anything- to Nazis or Hitler automatically throws out your argument. I had an argument once where I said something along the lines of Hitler started as a down-and-out painter, and came to almost taking over the entire world, which shows that starting in poverty does not mean that you are stuck in poverty, or that your life will suck. (It's a weird comparison, I know, but Hitler was the only real life poverty-to-riches-type story I could think of off the top of my head at the time.) And they automatically said "Godwin's law." I wasn't comparing them to Hitler, and I wasn't comparing anything to Hitler unfavorably. They just saw the word Hitler, and started raining fire on me. Thats the probelm with Godwins law. It extends to every thing that has to do with Nazi Germany. You can't even say somthign about hitler as a baby in a positive or negative way (he was quite an ugly baby mind you...probably the only ugly baby I've ever seen) with out it appling. I realy think who ever Godwin was shoudl have though his law out further. Oh, and Fire, talk about blowing things out of proportion and not knowing what goign on. She was referign to somthignshe saw on a link I posted eirler that had nothign to do with abortion.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:25 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle Thats the probelm with Godwins law. It extends to every thing that has to do with Nazi Germany. You can't even say somthign about hitler as a baby in a positive or negative way (he was quite an ugly baby mind you...probably the only ugly baby I've ever seen) with out it appling. I realy think who ever Godwin was shoudl have though his law out further. Oh, and Fire, talk about blowing things out of proportion and not knowing what goign on. She was referign to somthignshe saw on a link I posted eirler that had nothign to do with abortion. Which is why I say, let's screw it and forget Godwin's law! It's stupid, and there's no real reason to follow it since it's not a real law, but rather an agreed upon rule. So if one side, say me, decides they don't agree with it, it is not a binding law. xp And that video was messed up. stare I don't much like white supremists, but black supremists are at least as bad. And it often feels like they are protected by the law, unlike the white supremists, because their "ancestors were slaves," so they can spout whatever they like without it being looked down upon.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:39 pm
I don't like anyone whose mission is to eliminate a certain race off the planet. I don't like Margaret Sanger, I don't like Hitler, and I don't like this guy. What do they all have in common? Racism to the max.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:03 pm
I.Am Pyrotechnic Oracle Thats the probelm with Godwins law. It extends to every thing that has to do with Nazi Germany. You can't even say somthign about hitler as a baby in a positive or negative way (he was quite an ugly baby mind you...probably the only ugly baby I've ever seen) with out it appling. I realy think who ever Godwin was shoudl have though his law out further. Oh, and Fire, talk about blowing things out of proportion and not knowing what goign on. She was referign to somthignshe saw on a link I posted eirler that had nothign to do with abortion. Which is why I say, let's screw it and forget Godwin's law! It's stupid, and there's no real reason to follow it since it's not a real law, but rather an agreed upon rule. So if one side, say me, decides they don't agree with it, it is not a binding law. xp And that video was messed up. stare I don't much like white supremists, but black supremists are at least as bad. And it often feels like they are protected by the law, unlike the white supremists, because their "ancestors were slaves," so they can spout whatever they like without it being looked down upon. Bah! Racism is racism no matter how you look at it. I certainly hoep we don't see s resurection of the Black Pnathers
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:22 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle I.Am Pyrotechnic Oracle Thats the probelm with Godwins law. It extends to every thing that has to do with Nazi Germany. You can't even say somthign about hitler as a baby in a positive or negative way (he was quite an ugly baby mind you...probably the only ugly baby I've ever seen) with out it appling. I realy think who ever Godwin was shoudl have though his law out further. Oh, and Fire, talk about blowing things out of proportion and not knowing what goign on. She was referign to somthignshe saw on a link I posted eirler that had nothign to do with abortion. Which is why I say, let's screw it and forget Godwin's law! It's stupid, and there's no real reason to follow it since it's not a real law, but rather an agreed upon rule. So if one side, say me, decides they don't agree with it, it is not a binding law. xp And that video was messed up. stare I don't much like white supremists, but black supremists are at least as bad. And it often feels like they are protected by the law, unlike the white supremists, because their "ancestors were slaves," so they can spout whatever they like without it being looked down upon. Bah! Racism is racism no matter how you look at it. I certainly hoep we don't see s resurection of the Black Pnathers Well, my thing is the whole "I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it." I completely disagree with racism, but it's stupid that one group can be racist freely, while another will get in huge trouble.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:24 pm
Well, I understand that one government stratagy is to ignore such things. If you ignore it and not give it any press, then it will eventualy die. If it dosn't die, and becomes a problem, then they do somthign about it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:05 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle Well, I understand that one government stratagy is to ignore such things. If you ignore it and not give it any press, then it will eventualy die. If it dosn't die, and becomes a problem, then they do somthign about it. You need fuel for the fire. And without any fuel the fire will just die. The media is really what the fuel is to the kinds of organizations. On another note, I am going do what you guys do and stay out of the abortion thread. Makes me sick how just.... I just want to....GAHHHHHHH.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:13 pm
Master Kaiser Pyrotechnic Oracle Well, I understand that one government stratagy is to ignore such things. If you ignore it and not give it any press, then it will eventualy die. If it dosn't die, and becomes a problem, then they do somthign about it. You need fuel for the fire. And without any fuel the fire will just die. The media is really what the fuel is to the kinds of organizations. On another note, I am going do what you guys do and stay out of the abortion thread. Makes me sick how just.... I just want to....GAHHHHHHH.
But I think there should be a new thread started, maybe in the GD, closely moderated and watched, and run by Pro-Lifers, where no swamping is allowed and no one can be mocked or insulted. I don't even like debating anymore. It's like being there injured me. Maybe with a new thread runned by Pro-Lifers, I would start to feel better about debating.
Maybe if people sort of... boycotted the thread, and stopped adding "fuel to the fire", it would eventually dissapear and we would start over... but that's a stupid idea, since we don't know who's Pro-Life and who's not before they enter the thread (and mules are a problem)
Also, I've noticed they don't seem to mock you. They don't even seem to hate you! Have they always respected you this much? I'm impressed. surprised
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:48 pm
Lorysa Master Kaiser Pyrotechnic Oracle Well, I understand that one government stratagy is to ignore such things. If you ignore it and not give it any press, then it will eventualy die. If it dosn't die, and becomes a problem, then they do somthign about it. You need fuel for the fire. And without any fuel the fire will just die. The media is really what the fuel is to the kinds of organizations. On another note, I am going do what you guys do and stay out of the abortion thread. Makes me sick how just.... I just want to....GAHHHHHHH.
But I think there should be a new thread started, maybe in the GD, closely moderated and watched, and run by Pro-Lifers, where no swamping is allowed and no one can be mocked or insulted. I don't even like debating anymore. It's like being there injured me. Maybe with a new thread runned by Pro-Lifers, I would start to feel better about debating.
Maybe if people sort of... boycotted the thread, and stopped adding "fuel to the fire", it would eventually dissapear and we would start over... but that's a stupid idea, since we don't know who's Pro-Life and who's not before they enter the thread (and mules are a problem)
Also, I've noticed they don't seem to mock you. They don't even seem to hate you! Have they always respected you this much? I'm impressed. surprised Oh I was called an idiotic, sexist, anti-woman, man-pig a few times for having an opinion on the topic, but hell they are just names. It seems mostly that they ignore my posts as if they were invisible or invalid. No, but I watch as the rip apart other somewhat misinformed pro-lifers, feed them wrong and biases thoughts, and show them that they are evil for being pro-life. Mind you that there are at least 8 of them doing this at the same time, then yell at them for not keeping up or not responding. Also, when someone slips up (misspelled word, etc. ; you mentioned this as well I think X3) they jump on the about that, making it seem like their posts have no relevance. These pro-lifers have the right heart, but an off mind. Oh, I don't know why they like me. I think it's because I try to take a look from the pro-choice side, and see what they are talking about. That and I've delt with their crap mostly, so they have to (had to now anyways) deal with me anyways. Also it seems that the more moderate and kinder debaters respect me, but the more "extremists" (I'm not going to name names, but you know who I'm talking about) Just don't reposnd to me. One just likes to jump on my back when I state something, just for the sake of bickering. Yes, it isjust personal attacks now. And I've been into the Abortion Thread. GEEZUS, that place is dripping with snide remarks, sarcasm, rudness, personal attacks, and uneeded threads. The funny thing is that none of the pro-lifers made any threads with these qualities. Funny huh? We do need a Pro-Life thread, which gives correct information, and can be closely monitored. It can make debate fun and enjoyable instead of stressful and hurting. Why they call it the "pro-life and pro-choice debate thread" I have no fathomable clue. It's more like "If your Pro-life, YOUR WRONG." But again back to debating, it isn;t fun anymore. I hate people getting called something that they are not, and being told that their information is false. I hate how personal it gets, when people shove words into other's mouths and yell at them to get out, because they have no relevance. Check recently, about the young woman who is having an abortion in 8 days (Is this violating rules?)... SHE PUT IT AS A COUNTDOWN IN HER SIGGY >.And the sad thing is that there were people supporting her about the signature. NOT EVEN THE ABORTION, THE ******** GODBLASTED ******** SIGNATURE. AS IF CHILDBIRTH IS SO HORRIBLE, AND RAISING A CHILD IS SO ******** BAD THAT THE ONLY WAY TO COPE IS TO HAVE AN ABORTION. GOD, MAKES ******** PISSED. I JUST... I just...
*pants heavily*
... Just seeing this,
Quote: Well, better to miss one day of school than have to drop out later, because you had a baby.
Made me cry. Ever see a 250 lb man cry over some text?
God, I just really I just want to punch the wall. It's so wrong. So wrong...
Sorry, I'll stop. I'm acually crying now.
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