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 Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:03 pm
You pulled the end of existance on me...
*Sigh*
Yes, religion is then what it all comes down to...
I supose, then, no matter what you believe, if there is an afterlife you will be a part of it, for better or worse...
But now you raise another issue...
That of the afterlife...
And in it's existance this world is merely a test, if you will...
Which, yes, would make it nothing, zero, in the long run...
However, in such a circumstance, ones action would have to taken into acount...
As it would ultimately decide their fate...
Hence, not everything you do is for nothing...
And even if you are resolved to the point that it is, is that not affecting others?
now their fates are ever so slightly shaken by another's choices in life, and it is all a chain reaction...
Religion...
But, if you do not believe any of this, what then?
Are you resolved to the idealism that this is it?
Your one and only shot?
If so, why?
Why is there an existance in the first place?
You logic defeats itself...
It all is to become nothing then why bother having anything?
Existance proves itself.
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:07 pm
*Pokes Lan*
Hoi... aren't you still around the Citadel with Nal?
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:09 pm
Because there is no point.It starts,it ends.Thus is the perfect circle of existance.Sadly,it's how all things go.Life-death,start-finish.Everything has it's natural defenses to further life fruitlessly.What you do now will only be something to you and those it effects,but only for a time.Then,it'll be nothing.Everything will be nothing,some just choose to not believe it.There is nothing waiting for you after death.You,like the other creatures of this earth,are an animal.Your abilities gifted to you by an unknown source.Through a brief snap in evolution.You use your expiriences and memories and life to further your race.To make advances that will prolong the life of you and your people.With the complexity of this natural defense you have such things as thought.These thoughts allow you to make decision.Conflicts occur between humans.Like animals,we solve these conflicts through killng or suppressing the opposition.Thought,has allowed us to save more of our kind by finding a peaceful way to solve things.However,we are all ants working the hive of our race.Ants with thought.We delude ourselves with illusions that we are more,and that we can become something more.However,like all things,we are nothing.The purpose of life is death.
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:10 pm
Aye, though we have been meditating...not very well mind you...we need someplace peaceful and calm. I haven't had a chance to interract with Mastema lately.
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:11 pm
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:12 pm
Aye...but it seemed it would be rude of me to spoil your little moment with him.
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:13 pm
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:20 pm
Indeed...
And not to be rude, but you completely avoided my arguement...
Of course one could argue that we are evolved animals...
I have nothing against that...
And you seem to think one's ife accomplishements are overshadowed by the existance of tomorrow?
well, most of that is true, but there are certain things that people do tend to miss...
things you have to really look for to find, and think about...
such as, if were to never have been born, none of my friuends would have known me...
therefore would not have spent time with me, or thinking about me...
which would leave a pocket for a different activity...
hence changing their life that much...
but how does that affect others?
simple...
perhaps instead of going to a movie with me they went to lunch with another, hence that persons life has been affected, and since that person went to lunch, what they would have done instead has been altered, and so on and so forth...
but what if the chain stops?
if I, or my friend would not have interacted with anyone else anyways?
well, they spent a few more hours doing something private, that no one else would know about...
well, that is still an, er, how shall I put this...
something that happened, and has further reaching consicuesnces, as if they had been asked what they had done, which was read a book, rather than watch a movie, both of which branch off into completely different conversations...
A long, and pointless explanation...
But back to the topic at hand...
Existance...
what is the point of your arguement if you truely believe such ideals?
It will be forgotten...
and even if it is not, we will all die and it will matter no more...
there is a drive...
inside of every living thing...
We push onward...
it is beyond nothing...
and proves that we are something...
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:28 pm
I won't deny that we are something,and that we will accomplish things.It's just that in the end everything we do doesn't matter at all.When everything comes to an end,nothing matters.Anarchy is the simple answer to having no real consequences.Simple anarchy.However,life cannot exist in such conditions.At least,not well.As such we naturally have bounds.The food chains,our bodies abilities,our feelings.All of which are a binding made naturally by life to keep us from the realization that nothing we do can be punished,and as such nothing we do means anything.It means something and is worth something to us and people of now and maybe later,but that is all in the end nothing.We're just naturally driven to believe that is something,to keep us within bounds,and to keep us caring if we actually do things.Me killing someone is no more something then me planting a seed.My death is no more something then my birth.As a creature I naturally fear death and have a complex set of things built by nature to keep me from doing things.Aided by society I am kept from uprising and destroying life.We think we're thinking,but our thoughts are simple basics formed into words and art and laws etc etc.A painting is no more artful then a footprint.It's all about what's visually appealing.However,art is nothing.Souls,if they do exist,will also one day be nothing.All is nothing.Sad but true.
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:36 pm
*Pats Lan* Aww, lonely. xp
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:38 pm
Hahaha, Lan doesn't have anyone to talk to...everyone he meets tries to kill him or innocent people.
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:39 pm
I by no means wish to start a war here...
I want you to know that right now...
Also, while this conversation is riveting, and requires my entire wit to keep me in bounds, I must awake at some point later today, and so have to find rest...
I shall try to make my new posts short, and more understandable...
First, your arguement is, in itself, flawed...
I restate my recent post...
If indeed, all is for nothing, then why are we here?
You must indeed concur that there would certainly have to be a purpose if it warrants such a massive display as the rise and fall of earth and our universe...
How then, if everything is nothing, will be nothing...
Did we come into existance?
Nothing can create nothing...
Do you not agree?
Therefore, something must have given birth to existance...
Everything comes from something else...
Think about this carefully...
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:39 pm
Eh heh heh. I don't think Nana would try to kill him. Just protect herself if he was too agressive. First she'd use her words however. sweatdrop
^^
Nana would never want to hurt innocents either.
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:40 pm
Lan...never...Nal? Well...you have lotsa mechs around, right?
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:41 pm
Mastema does yes. Nana... >.> Well... not so much. sweatdrop
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