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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:43 pm

Amylin

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I can't believe you guys are doing this again. No offence to you're husband or anything but but none of this is true at all Cloud has shown over and over again and again that he does have feelings of love for Tifa. Just because you guys refuse to acknowledge it doesn't mean it isn't there.

Cloud said that only by Tifa's side can he truly live. He never said that to anyone else including Aeris. In the past, every time he tried living, he failed. He only feels confident around Tifa. He's said these words himself.
And he's already told us in FFVII tha only her opinion and attitude matters to him; no one else's.

So, yeah. He does love her, or at least value her, the most. Period. There's no getting around this. It is a FACT.

So please stop with the whole "Cloud never showed any affection to Tifa!" crap. You like Cloud and Aeris, that's fine, but don't making up lies and fabricating your own delusions to make Cloud and Aeris look cannon when there is more then enough FACTUAL evidence to support otherwise.

So to some things up; you like Cloud and Aeris, fine but stop trying to bring down Clotifs!!! It's old already. stare

Oi! Calm down RxH... just like some of the rants you have posted from pro-Aeris anti-Clerises (if you wish I can reference specific posts) in your thread; I thought Clerises may find it refreshing to read about someone who was very pro-Tifa but anti-Cloti.
Like you said before, "it's nice to see that not all Aeris fans are rabid anti-Cloties." I thought Clerises might enjoy the same experience. And to be honest... when I called it a sum up... I meant I cleaned it up. He actually went on quite the anti-Aeris rant... like a half an hour (poor baby worked 22 hours straight and I think he just snapped). But I supposed if I had posted that part you wouldn't be complaining. My mistake... I'll try to cater to you in this Cleris thread from now on instead of the Clerises. wink

Actually that started of as being addressed to you and ended up being addressed to everyone on the thread. My mistake. eek sad

I understand what you were trying to do but saying Cloud showed no affection to Tifa besides friendly is clearly wrong. Cloud showed equal affection to both girls in the first disk. I can't say the same for the other two though.

Also. I don't understand how someone can be pro Tifa but anti Clotif unless they really hate Cloud? I mean, If your pro Tifa wouldn't you want her to be with the man she loves? I'll be the first one to admit that, I like TifaxVincent way more then CloudxTifa (probably because I myself like Vincent better) but I would rather see her with the one she loves because I'm her fan.

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:07 pm

Actually, I know many pro-Tifa fans that are anti-Cloti like my husband. It's as simple as this... they don't see Cloud as affectionate to Tifa as he is to Aeris. Just like some of the "evidence" you see supporting Cleris is simply statements blown out of the water; some people see statement such as you mentioned as the same. It all comes from differences in ideals towards how a relationship should begin and progress. Cloti and Cleris are both considered romantic relationships but are displayed in different romantic atmospheres. Whichever fits more closely to the individual's ideal atmosphere influences what they think works better.
Example is my husband.... He doesn't understand the concept of relationships that are slow-paced and soft-spoken like the Cloti relationship. He feels such relationships waste too much time and never get what really needs to be done, well, done. Whereas other people would consider it a smart, sweet, and very meaningful way to deal with a relationship.
The Cleris relationship works at a much faster pace and is very outspoken. This appeals more to my husband which is why he sees it working better. He doesn't need to hate Cloud... just the way him and Tifa deal with each other romantically.
This also leads to pitying Tifa and realising that her needs are not being fulfilled. And as many who prefer the fast-pace relationships would agree; if your needs are not being fulfilled then they probably never will be which means you need to move on. That's how you can be pro-Tifa and anti-Cloti without being anti-Cloud.

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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:08 pm

How am I degrading...Tifa? O_o There's a difference between anti-CloTi and anti-Tifa.

You don't have to dislike a pairing because you don't like the people involved; but becaue you don't think they're compatible, etc. :3 That's how I go by pairings. Even if I don't necessarily like a person in a pairing, it doesn't mean I don't like the pairing...Or the opposite way. :3

Although, just becaue you're a Tifa fan does not mean you want her to be with the person she loves...If you don't think that they're compatible; or you prefer her with someone else.

It's all a matter of opinion~! RxH, I respect your opinion, I understand what you're trying to say, but I don't think I really did anything wrong. I stated that I was going to rant a bit, but it wasn't angrily, degrading to anything but the pairing itself and the way people have been acting lately, and was not supposed to be taken as a direct insult to people themselves, just to the fact that people were being silly.

And the Aerith/Clerith bashing that has been going on wasn't too long ago, really; so I still say that it was a hypocritical statement because it happened nonetheless. We each have the right to express our opinions, as long as they are expressed in a civil, calm manner, with no personal insults or direct provocation.

It all comes down to opinion.

P.S. About the whole making counter-sig things...The only time I would do that, or be really annoyed by a signature, is when it is chock-full of blatant lies and the like. :3

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:14 pm

Amylin

Actually, I know many pro-Tifa fans that are anti-Cloti like my husband. It's as simple as this... they don't see Cloud as affectionate to Tifa as he is to Aeris. Just like some of the "evidence" you see supporting Cleris is simply statements blown out of the water; some people see statement such as you mentioned as the same. It all comes from differences in ideals towards how a relationship should begin and progress. Cloti and Cleris are both considered romantic relationships but are displayed in different romantic atmospheres. Whichever fits more closely to the individual's ideal atmosphere influences what they think works better.
Example is my husband.... He doesn't understand the concept of relationships that are slow-paced and soft-spoken like the Cloti relationship. He feels such relationships waste too much time and never get what really needs to be done, well, done. Whereas other people would consider it a smart, sweet, and very meaningful way to deal with a relationship.
The Cleris relationship works at a much faster pace and is very outspoken. This appeals more to my husband which is why he sees it working better. He doesn't need to hate Cloud... just the way him and Tifa deal with each other romantically.
This also leads to pitying Tifa and realising that her needs are not being fulfilled. And as many who prefer the fast-pace relationships would agree; if your needs are not being fulfilled then they probably never will be which means you need to move on. That's how you can be pro-Tifa and anti-Cloti without being anti-Cloud.

I see; because their relationship is slow it seems like it's not going anywhere. Gotcha. However I think relationships that take more time become more substantial in the end. I could go on but I got my point across

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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:43 pm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5NsLDLpSyEk

An icky video by yours truly for your watching pleasure. D:

UGLYYY. D<

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:47 am

RanmaxHikaru

Amylin

Actually, I know many pro-Tifa fans that are anti-Cloti like my husband. It's as simple as this... they don't see Cloud as affectionate to Tifa as he is to Aeris. Just like some of the "evidence" you see supporting Cleris is simply statements blown out of the water; some people see statement such as you mentioned as the same. It all comes from differences in ideals towards how a relationship should begin and progress. Cloti and Cleris are both considered romantic relationships but are displayed in different romantic atmospheres. Whichever fits more closely to the individual's ideal atmosphere influences what they think works better.
Example is my husband.... He doesn't understand the concept of relationships that are slow-paced and soft-spoken like the Cloti relationship. He feels such relationships waste too much time and never get what really needs to be done, well, done. Whereas other people would consider it a smart, sweet, and very meaningful way to deal with a relationship.
The Cleris relationship works at a much faster pace and is very outspoken. This appeals more to my husband which is why he sees it working better. He doesn't need to hate Cloud... just the way him and Tifa deal with each other romantically.
This also leads to pitying Tifa and realising that her needs are not being fulfilled. And as many who prefer the fast-pace relationships would agree; if your needs are not being fulfilled then they probably never will be which means you need to move on. That's how you can be pro-Tifa and anti-Cloti without being anti-Cloud.

I see; because their relationship is slow it seems like it's not going anywhere. Gotcha. However I think relationships that take more time become more substantial in the end. I could go on but I got my point across

And that is probably the biggest reason why you prefer Cloti... because it lines up with your ideals in romantic relationships. It's easier to see compatiblity when you can relate to it. Hince it's easier for you to find Cloti evidence than Cleris. Which is something I'd like you to think about next time you call a Cleris in-game quote, "LIES completely over-blown!" Just think to yourself... "Could it be that it just doesn't line up with my own ideals so I have a harder time seeing it?" Its a you see purple I see lavender situation. As for time together making relationships more substantial... remember that varies. I was with my ex-boyfriend, Ken, for four years and we were very close. We moved slowly. My husband and I were married after a year and a half. We moved quickly.
More time doesn't equal more substance, I can say in my experience, because marriage NEVER crossed my mind with Ken... because it took me four years to get to know Ken the way I know Dan.

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:34 am

Very nice... I wish my computer could make them. I tried two with Windows Movie Maker and it just destoryed the graphics.

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:37 am

Well I didnt do anything this time xD but I've read the posts yada yada
and I think this sums up my opinion
"More time doesn't equal more substance"
as stated by amylin!

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:42 am

Lutearina

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5NsLDLpSyEk

An icky video by yours truly for your watching pleasure. D:

UGLYYY. D<

beautifulll >D

oh I found this really cute AMV done to the song chasing cars by snow patrol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n1FSAe52Fs

edit//I got some translated scans from mother
I'll post them, its really cute

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:33 am

Sadly I cant find the beginning of Mother so the translated scans start from page 20! I'm truly sorry gonk heart

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