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 Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:41 pm
Alec_Holland Lucifer Morningstar *peeks under the table*
Is she a superhero? Does anyone know? She seems rather like SquirrelGirl, only...with mice. Or possible gerbils.
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:44 pm
*Meanders off to the salt mines*
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:48 pm
Lucifer Morningstar d**k Grayson That is completely wrong. Large companies know that you succeed by micromanaging, and by satisfying the shareholders. Time Warner doesnt have DC for the paper its printed on. Time Warner acquired, and held on to, DC because it was good for the stockholders at the time. The board dictates any changes that might be good for the stockholders, then it trickles down, and that is a fact. The company I work for once owned Planters' (of peanuts fame), Life Savers, and all RJ Reynolds' brands of tobacco, and the board was able to make changes to the damn flavors.Its pure and simple that one person can make one decision that will reflect in that property from top to bottom. You think that the decision to kill Superman, break Batman, or send Hal off the deep end started with the fans? Bullshit. It started at the damn top, most likely with one of the executives, and ordered its way down. I dont think you understand the power of the stock market.
Similar happened with Batman. With Hal, it was entirely the choice of the creative team at the time, with the OK from editorial to get rid of him.
In a creative market, you don't micromanage. Because the company fails. Massively.
That's how it works. Top down ideas don't work, it's been proven. Didio's rediculous ideas are already having a slag down effect on DC proper. Time Warner doesn't get involved until it needs to lay down rules for cross-promotional material. Movies. Video games to a lesser extent.
And Time Warner doesn't hang onto DC. DC went to them for the merger. DC wanted to be bought, or at least editorial wanted it. The DC board controls DC. Time Warner stays out of the comics for good reason. It sticks in a hand and everything falls apart. Comics are creative team driven, more now than ever before. The core books have rules, editorial takes a special interest in them. But there's a reason there are so many Bat books, it's because so many people have Bat stories and because the company knows they sell.
There's a big difference between a piece of candy and a comic book.Wrong again. At best case, your scenario might be semi-right, but only because the top shareholders said "We need to make a change, get together some ideas." In a creative market, you do micromanage, or else everybody with a highly developed mind goes off on their own tangent. Focus groups and testing are a part of all companies. Do you really think a small group of low-paid writers said to the Board of Executives, "Lets kill off the main property we own" and that flew instantly? Cmon, that was one of many ideas put forth, tested, voted upon, and like I said, maybe even suggested by a member of the board. Youre stuck in the mindset that you and I own Superman and Batman, and thats not true. The majority shareholders own those properties, and they dictate the major actions of the properties. There is no fundamental difference between deciding to put out peanut butter flavor M&Ms, Maui Wowi Camel cigarettes, bubble gum flavored Life Savors, and killing Superman.
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:55 pm
d**k Grayson Wrong again. At best case, your scenario might be semi-right, but only because the top shareholders said "We need to make a change, get together some ideas." In a creative market, you do micromanage, or else everybody with a highly developed mind goes off on their own tangent. Focus groups and testing are a part of all companies. Do you really think a small group of low-paid writers said to the Board of Executives, "Lets kill off the main property we own" and that flew instantly? Cmon, that was one of many ideas put forth, tested, voted upon, and like I said, maybe even suggested by a member of the board. Youre stuck in the mindset that you and I own Superman and Batman, and thats not true. The majority shareholders own those properties, and they dictate the major actions of the properties. There is no fundamental difference between deciding to put out peanut butter flavor M&Ms, Maui Wowi Camel cigarettes, bubble gum flavored Life Savors, and killing Superman.
A creative property is hugely massivley different than a m&m flavor, for the reason that it involves a thinking response from the buyer. You don't think about the color of your m&m. They taste the same. But a writer, ah, a writer. Fans don't just love the characters, they love the writers. You take risks with stories, and they have to be entertaining stories. Mandates handed down are GENERAL. "Make this book darker." "Make this book happier." Not, "kill superman and bring him back."
The majority shareholders do not dictate in a creative market because it's not their job. When they try, horrible things happen. It is, ultimately, the writers and the artists who determine books because, as I said, it's largely a creatively driven market. The fans will push ideas sometimes to get what they want, there will be a slambor to bring Hal back. Editorial will buckle and do it, and assign the job to someone. Or the fans who loved Hal will enter ediotorial possitions and do it themselves. The result has been mediocre Green Lantern stories and books that just don't sell that well.
Comics that a driven Top Down buckle, and Time Warner isn't so stupid as that they don't know that.
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:57 pm
Your basic problem is that you don't know how the industry works. It's complicated and it's detailed. You're making assumptions based on experiences that have very little to do with the industry. Top down management is discouraged in most books, and top down mandates are largely generalizations. It does happen, quite often even, to a fairly small subset of core books. But these books are NOT the majority in DC, not by far.
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:06 pm
I like my industry. In two years, I own the company.
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:31 pm
I enjoy... my industry. Free coffee. Lucifer, my attempts to make available certain goods for you... were thwarted. I shall seek... alternate means.
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:32 pm
Like the hand additions. You should look at some long green hair, too. And that green...scot...thingy...
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Linda Lee Danvers Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:33 pm
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:38 pm
Linda Lee Danvers Like the hand additions. You should look at some long green hair, too. And that green...scot...thingy...
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Linda Lee Danvers Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:41 pm
Talking away I don't know what I'm to say I'll say it anyway today's another day to find you Shying away I'll be coming for you love O.K. Taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake on meeeeeeeeeeeeeee Taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee on Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii'll beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee gone in a day or two
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:15 pm
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:35 pm
Jackk Napier If I use the poisons too much, everyone comes to expect them, and then I don't get to have any fun!((So, didja get your computer fixed?))
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:37 pm
Linda Lee Danvers gonk Well, I've mentioned the ones I can think of.
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:39 pm
d**k Grayson Hey, have you guys heard about the killer spinach? gonk
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