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Layra-chan
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:53 pm


Swordmaster Dragon
I guess this is pseudo-random, so I will post it here. Layra, what do you think are the best entry-level books in these fields?

Real analysis
Point-set topology
Algebraic topology
(Less entry-level) Lie groups and Lie algebras


What kind of entry level?
For point-set topo I guess Topology by James Munkres was pretty good; I don't know, the class that used that book was kind of a mess
Algebraic Topology I would say Algebraic Topology by Allen Hatcher.

I haven't really taken real analysis other than Rudin, nor have I actually done any Lie groups/algebras formally; for that stuff I basically just use bits of diff. geom. and Wikipedia.
Professor Georgi here wrote a book on Lie algebras in Particle Physics, but while Georgi is a very brilliant physicist and has a wonderful pedagogical model, he's hard to understand both by physicists and mathematicians because his intuition is very strange.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:27 pm


Hmm..."Introduction to Real Analysis" by Robert Bartle is good. The book starts with the important bits of naive set theory and algebraic properties of Real Numbers (But not the construction of the Real Numbers) and ends with the generalized Riemann integral and some topology.

This is assuming you're not talking about postgraduate entry level.

Morberticus


Swordmaster Dragon

PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:49 pm


Well, right now for real analysis I'm using Stein and Shakarchi (the class text, since Stein is a professor here), but reading out of Papa Rudin as well. I'm looking for a book that's about as explicit as Rudin, when it comes to proofs, but is a bit easier to read. The class I'm taking is covering abstract measures and Lebesgue integration, Hilbert spaces, and Hausdorff dimension. I want to be super-duper confident in methods of proof in basic measure theory and integration before we hit the other stuff.

For topology, I have Shick's Topology: Point-Set and Geometric, which while easy to understand is super-duper basic and isn't really giving me anything more than I already knew. I'll check out Munkres, I think that's what the class here uses. I guess here I'm just looking for something that'll get me set up for algebraic topology.

For that, I'm using the Graduate Texts book by Rotman. It's a bit hard to read through, but it's a pretty good book. I'll check out Hatcher. I'm doing my independent seminar in low-dimensional topology, so in both a point-set and algebraic topology book, I'm looking for something that gets me used to the terminology and methods of proof used in this field. In particular, I want something that gets me through Thurston's "Three-dimensional Geometry and Topology" and Carter et al's "Surfaces in 4-Space".

As far as Lie groups/algebras go, all I have are things I've gotten from Do Carmo's Riemannian Geometry. It tends to lack actual examples of anything. After I'm done with it, I'll probably be looking for a better book on differential geometry.

Thanks for the responses, guys!
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:02 pm


Agh, why why why why why did I sign up for the GRE? I'm not prepared at all!!

Layra-chan
Crew


Swordmaster Dragon

PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:29 am


Layra-chan
Agh, why why why why why did I sign up for the GRE? I'm not prepared at all!!


I feel the same way about Real Analysis. Sadly, I had to drop it. (Well, not too sadly...I hate analysis). I guess I'll just have to settle for the lower-level version next semester.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:20 pm


I has a job! I'll be working at the MathWorks over the summer! whee

Layra-chan
Crew


zz1000zz

PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:55 pm


Layra-chan
I has a job! I'll be working at the MathWorks over the summer! whee


That is very nice. I have a great deal of respect for that company's work, and the company itself seems to be a good place to be.

Do you know what you will be doing for them?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:18 pm


zz1000zz
Layra-chan
I has a job! I'll be working at the MathWorks over the summer! whee


That is very nice. I have a great deal of respect for that company's work, and the company itself seems to be a good place to be.

Do you know what you will be doing for them?


GUI/demo design for the symbolic maths toolbox for MATLAB. Apparently their current setup is several years old, so I'll be updating it, as well as making it more classroom-friendly.

Layra-chan
Crew


Morberticus

PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:52 pm


Swordmaster Dragon
Layra-chan
Agh, why why why why why did I sign up for the GRE? I'm not prepared at all!!


I feel the same way about Real Analysis. Sadly, I had to drop it. (Well, not too sadly...I hate analysis). I guess I'll just have to settle for the lower-level version next semester.


I've been trying to piece the puzzle together but I've lost track... Whereabouts on the educational ladder are you, out of curiosity?

And Layra I envy you. Or at least I would if I didn't have an aversion to that area of Mass due to traumatic childhood clothes shopping memories.

I'm not earning my money... I'm being 'funded' by the HEA and extorting desperate students during exam time.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:16 pm


Morberticus
And Layra I envy you. Or at least I would if I didn't have an aversion to that area of Mass due to traumatic childhood clothes shopping memories.


Is it can be story tiem now plees?
Also, is it Eastern Mass in general, or just Natick?

Layra-chan
Crew


Swordmaster Dragon

PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:41 pm


Morberticus
Swordmaster Dragon
Layra-chan
Agh, why why why why why did I sign up for the GRE? I'm not prepared at all!!


I feel the same way about Real Analysis. Sadly, I had to drop it. (Well, not too sadly...I hate analysis). I guess I'll just have to settle for the lower-level version next semester.


I've been trying to piece the puzzle together but I've lost track... Whereabouts on the educational ladder are you, out of curiosity?


I'm a junior in college, and a math major. I just happen to have been *very* ill-prepared for math (at least in my eyes), considering I'm just now getting to real analysis.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:47 am


Swordmaster Dragon
Morberticus
Swordmaster Dragon
Layra-chan
Agh, why why why why why did I sign up for the GRE? I'm not prepared at all!!


I feel the same way about Real Analysis. Sadly, I had to drop it. (Well, not too sadly...I hate analysis). I guess I'll just have to settle for the lower-level version next semester.


I've been trying to piece the puzzle together but I've lost track... Whereabouts on the educational ladder are you, out of curiosity?


I'm a junior in college, and a math major. I just happen to have been *very* ill-prepared for math (at least in my eyes), considering I'm just now getting to real analysis.


I took the freshie crazy real analysis (don't know how much I retained) and decided that I too hate analysis. I did rather badly in that course, and only stubborness and hubris got me through (mostly hubris). I cannot prove uniform convergence on compact subsets to save my life.
I'm taking a "real analysis" course at the moment, but only because it's with one of my favorite professors and because it's really mathematical physics disguised as analysis (one of the reasons he's one of my favorite professors xd )

Layra-chan
Crew


Morberticus

PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:24 pm


Layra-chan
Morberticus
And Layra I envy you. Or at least I would if I didn't have an aversion to that area of Mass due to traumatic childhood clothes shopping memories.


Is it can be story tiem now plees?
Also, is it Eastern Mass in general, or just Natick?


heh... No real story to tell unfortunately. Just memories of being in a mental state of sheer boredom and desperation as I was dragged through various shops and plazas. But now I'm older and thousands of miles away so I'm safe ninja
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:41 pm


Layra-chan
Swordmaster Dragon
I'm a junior in college, and a math major. I just happen to have been *very* ill-prepared for math (at least in my eyes), considering I'm just now getting to real analysis.


I took the freshie crazy real analysis (don't know how much I retained) and decided that I too hate analysis. I did rather badly in that course, and only stubborness and hubris got me through (mostly hubris). I cannot prove uniform convergence on compact subsets to save my life.
I'm taking a "real analysis" course at the moment, but only because it's with one of my favorite professors and because it's really mathematical physics disguised as analysis (one of the reasons he's one of my favorite professors xd )


Are we talking the same real analysis? Measure and integration theory, Hilbert spaces, Hausdorff dimensionality, and all that junk? While I wouldn't be surprised if you did that freshman year, I have trouble believing that a lot of students could, regardless of acceleration.

My freshman year, I did "Single-variable analysis", which was all about the Riemann integral and metric space topology, from baby Rudin, and "Analysis in multiple variables", which was basically just differentiation and generalized Stokes' theorem from Spivak. I don't really consider either of those to be "real analysis".

Swordmaster Dragon


Layra-chan
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:31 pm


Swordmaster Dragon
Layra-chan
Swordmaster Dragon
I'm a junior in college, and a math major. I just happen to have been *very* ill-prepared for math (at least in my eyes), considering I'm just now getting to real analysis.


I took the freshie crazy real analysis (don't know how much I retained) and decided that I too hate analysis. I did rather badly in that course, and only stubborness and hubris got me through (mostly hubris). I cannot prove uniform convergence on compact subsets to save my life.
I'm taking a "real analysis" course at the moment, but only because it's with one of my favorite professors and because it's really mathematical physics disguised as analysis (one of the reasons he's one of my favorite professors xd )


Are we talking the same real analysis? Measure and integration theory, Hilbert spaces, Hausdorff dimensionality, and all that junk? While I wouldn't be surprised if you did that freshman year, I have trouble believing that a lot of students could, regardless of acceleration.

My freshman year, I did "Single-variable analysis", which was all about the Riemann integral and metric space topology, from baby Rudin, and "Analysis in multiple variables", which was basically just differentiation and generalized Stokes' theorem from Spivak. I don't really consider either of those to be "real analysis".


I did essentially the same thing you did, I guess, plus a bunch of random Lebesgue measure and integration theory as well as some bits of Hilbert spaces; I don't know, it was rather unconnected so I didn't really know what was happening all the time.
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