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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:11 am


I beleive no matter who you love, that is not your choice. Some people are ashamed of being gay because of how the world and goverment treats them. I can't stand it. If anything, they prove that love is real. It's not just hormones in our brains saying we have to mate or something. I'm pretty much saying, I'm all for gay marriage.

Please note: I'm straight
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:43 am


Gedral
Kira Lynn Winters

So your saying Gay marriage shouldn't be allowed because SOME people don't want it.
You are a total hipocrite, First you say everyone should be allowed to do as they please then you say Gay marriage shouldn't be allowed because not everyone wants it.
I don't want Gay marriage to be legal just to spite homophobes, I want it to be legal so if I do end up with a woman we can have the same rights as any other couple.

Firstly, I am not a total hypocrite. Secondly, I didn't say I oppose gay marriage. I have a guy friend who is marrying a man this fall, in fact. But I think you ignored the two points I actually did make. Though maybe I should have made the second point more clearly.
1. The government NEVER gives us rights.
2. In a democracy, the majority view should prevail, unless it prevents people from exercising their natural freedoms.

You seem to think that the legal institution of marriage is something that some may call a "god-given right." It isn't. If we abolished legal marriages altogether, we would not have less freedom or less rights.

Maybe you're thinking of legal marriage as society's confirmation of the joining of two people who love one another. And you see no reason for society to object to gay relationships. If that is your general feeling...then you should understand my point...it doesn't matter what YOU think or I think about gay marriage. If gay marriage is legalized without a majority of people supporting gay marriage, then all of marriage is reduced to nothing more than legal provisions.

Maybe we just disagree on this point and you don't see marriage as anything more than a legal construct with practical benefits. I think legal marriage has a strong moral component. Without majority support, however, that moral component of marriage will lose its meaning.


First off don't tell ME how I see things.

I see marriage as a way to bond with your lover forever, so, why should it only be fair for straight couples?
Also, a big majority of people DO support gay marriage.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:47 am


well its not my sexual preferance but what ever makes you happy you should pursue it
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:46 am


I support gay marriage...there's no difference if it's
a straight couple or a gay one...love is love! and if
there's love then I see nothing wrong with two man
marrying each other out of love!! xDD 3nodding

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:08 am


Know what I just noticed?

Most women say it's ok, but most men say it's disgusting.

I think it's ok but I wouldn't wanna see any sex happening in front of me.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:09 pm


i believe that if someone is in love then they're in love. It may seem weird and awkward for people who are not gay. But for people who are, it would seem weird for them to make out with the opposite sex

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:20 pm


Kira Lynn Winters

First off don't tell ME how I see things.

I see marriage as a way to bond with your lover forever, so, why should it only be fair for straight couples?
Also, a big majority of people DO support gay marriage.

First off, I didn't tell you how you see things. I said "maybe" and "it seems" that's how you see things, with the obvious implication that you would clarify your position. So don't get snippy.

And to answer your question: legal marriage does not need to exist for two people to bond with one's lover forever. Is there any reason why we should have any form of legal marriage?

For whatever reasons, society decided to pass laws providing benefits when a man and woman join together in a committed relationship. Just because a majority of people see reason to have one kind of governmental provision for a particular kind of relationship, must they automatically provide for any and all relationships? Or just the ones that you agree with? Why should the government be involved with "love" and whose definition of "love" should control what relationships are valid for marriage purposes?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:08 pm


gay marriage is nasty but i have to say that its their lift and thank god its not mine

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:08 pm


I think that marriages, like Christian marriages, should be kept sacred and only between opposite-sex couples, and let same-sex couples have their own legal bonding ceremony that gives them all the same benefits as marriage.
Because it isn't fair to say that same-sex couples shouldn't be allowed to marry, since marriage gives you tax benefits, but I do agree it should be kept sacred, and the solution is to have a different legal bondage for same-sex couples.

By the way... Gays, lesbians, and us bisexuals are not total different species, so stop treating us like it, please?
Also, just because you have friends/relatives that are gay doesn't mean you understand or are obliged to support them.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:55 pm


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Kira Lynn Winters

First off don't tell ME how I see things.

I see marriage as a way to bond with your lover forever, so, why should it only be fair for straight couples?
Also, a big majority of people DO support gay marriage.

First off, I didn't tell you how you see things. I said "maybe" and "it seems" that's how you see things, with the obvious implication that you would clarify your position. So don't get snippy.

And to answer your question: legal marriage does not need to exist for two people to bond with one's lover forever. Is there any reason why we should have any form of legal marriage?

For whatever reasons, society decided to pass laws providing benefits when a man and woman join together in a committed relationship. Just because a majority of people see reason to have one kind of governmental provision for a particular kind of relationship, must they automatically provide for any and all relationships? Or just the ones that you agree with? Why should the government be involved with "love" and whose definition of "love" should control what relationships are valid for marriage purposes?
I believe that if this is the land of the free, and if what the minority wants isn't hurting the majority, then it should be allowed. Just because the supposed "majority" thinks gay marriage is wrong, doesn't mean that it has to be set law. Homosexuals just want the same rights as heterosexuals and it's wrong to deny them that. It isn't about people loving each other, because there's always symbolic ceremonies for that. They want the same rights as a husbnad and wife would have under the law.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:34 am


I honestly do not care whether people support gay marriage or not. Other's people's relationships are nobody else's business.

If the church is willing to marry gay people then they should be allowed to marry gay people and that is that. There is a thing called the separation of church and state here in the US where I live (not sure about other countries) but that little thing means that the church stays out of the states affairs and the state stays out of the churches affairs. (And I seriously think the state needs to get it's damn foot out of the church door.)

Any state that has a law saying that gays cannot be married is unconstitutional and should be challenged and taken to the Supreme Court to be overturned. Every church has a right to turn down marrying gays as well as to offer to marry them since they are private institutions and not state run. People cannot force the church to marry gays or force them not to basically.

This also applies to mosques and temples (and other religious buildings I cannot think of) which are also private institutions.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:21 pm


who are we to tell them enythin,
if love is lovve then leave them be.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:44 am


Wow. So many points on the subject matter.

Well, my intake on this situation is that it should be legal. I am a Christian and believe in keeping marriage sacred. Homosexual marriages should be no different. When you get married, you are making a commitment in front of God. Are you still not doing that in a homosexual relationship? You are proving that you love someone and holding to your commitment. God is said to be merciful and loving, therefore, he is not going to ask you, are you gay? And if you are, kick you out of heaven or call it a sin. Someone try to tell me God would do that.

Religions also state that God has a plan for everyone, this would include homosexuals. I absolutely hate it when there is a prejudice put upon them from the church. It has been around forever, not only practiced by us humans, but found in nature as well.

I do believe that people are born with a sexual preference. I also do agree that in certain cases, it is a choice. But either way, who are you to say their choice is wrong. Homosexuality won't even affect you in the long run. I constantly hear people saying "Ew it's gross. It's wrong." or things like that. But that's in the case of if it's performed in front of you. I personally believe that if you see ANY signs of sex in front of you, you'd be disgusted all the same way. If you think it's gross or whatever, don't picture it.

There was also a statement about how women seem to be more open about it than men. I personally believe that women may be more open with this topic because we too have faced a prejudice over the years. But this can all be left in another discussion.

Either way, you have no right to tell someone who they can and cannot marry. God is not going to hate you because you marry someone of the same sex. In my opinion, it shouldn't even be a matter of government to decided whether or not to allow this. Why should the government have a say in something that has to do with love. Money should not be a problem for the countries of G-7. Human rights should not be limited like this.

Churches should not turn away from people. Aren't all humans God's people? I obviously wouldn't force them to marry homosexual couples, but they should have enough sense to allow it themselves. It's the people who are against it that need to stop their prejudice. It will bring no harm to anyone, so stop making matters worse.

And that was my two cents.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:26 pm


Is it stoopid in here...


Personally I don't support gat marriage because I don't like gay people...but I do support the fact that we live in a free society and that we should be able to make choices for ourselves. I don't believe one has to have the permission of some bloody church to marry a person or divorce, nor do I believe the government should interfere with the beliefs of other people. If you wanna be gay, be gay. I just don't want some government telling me when I should be able to wipe my own a**.


...or is it just me?

DumberDan


Pasithea

PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:44 pm


DumberDan
Is it stoopid in here...


Personally I don't support gat marriage because I don't like gay people...but I do support the fact that we live in a free society and that we should be able to make choices for ourselves. I don't believe one has to have the permission of some bloody church to marry a person or divorce, nor do I believe the government should interfere with the beliefs of other people. If you wanna be gay, be gay. I just don't want some government telling me when I should be able to wipe my own a**.


...or is it just me?

So you agree that the government shouldn't be placing laws over private institutions?

Also marriage can be done through a judge and even a ship captain. You don't have to be religious to say that you're married.
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