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thenerdqueen

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:10 pm


1)Then why, if I ever choose to eat a steak, will my body automatically throw it up? Meat is not all that healthy for you; studies have shown that people who have grown up vegetarian grow about one inch taller than meat-eating people.

2) Well, if you are paranoid enough to bring a gun with you everywhere in case someone happens to mug to you, then I think that a few extra pounds would be an easy sacrifice to make. (And it would be good for training...)



uryu ishida
Humans, in the scientific view, are only highly-evolved animals. ANd, tohugh all of time, animals have eaten other, usually weaker, animals. Humans have kept the "tradition" of nature, not ot mention your health will go to he11 without some of the components found in various meat. The biggest being protien.

I just found this. Oops. redface

Your health does not suffer without meat. Protien is found not only in meat, but spinach, beans, and rice. If those fail, there is soy supplements that you can take, in powderr and tablet form.
If my health was down the drain, why would I be in cross-country? (I'm actually racing this evening.)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:49 pm


A FEW EXTRA POUNDS!? Go buy some armor, I'll even point you to a nice website which will sell it to you. Then you try to wear it, in 110-degree heat, all day. And, if you get one worth of bulets, tell me it only ways a few pounds with a reinforcement plate in place.

See? You've become intolerant to meat. And I don;t care how short I am (or in the case you metnioned "will remain") because I am healthy and hardy. Meat is important to bodily function. Even the Japnaese (with no real livestock) eat SOME meat, even if it's only a little bit of fish or a bit of beef. If you're really worried about how the animal was raised and killed, just get "kosher" beef, or something. Or go find a mormon commmunity, as they only eat all natural things.

EDIT:
I almost forgot ot post some armor links...I tried to only find concealable vests, but they are pretty much useless...SO, I picked the better of them.

http://www.uscav.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=8449 (A ballistic vest disguised as a normal vest)

http://www.uscav.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=8441 (Lower-level. Mostly knife vest)

http://www.uscav.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10217 (Designed for concealment. Not the best...)

http://www.uscav.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=16308 (Alternate brand concealable)

http://www.uscav.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=16315 (Not desinged for concealment, but can be if you try)

http://www.uscav.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10175 (Not desinged for concealment either, but is still easier thna the above)

uryu ishida


dronze

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:49 pm


Or just take it from someone who wears a tactical vest, sans armor plates, when I hit the field to go play paintball, they are hot, heavy, and uncomfortable, not to mention unattractive.

beyond this, body armor is going to draw some negative attention from cops and anyone else who looks at that yahoo walking around in body armor.

this aside, the range at which you're likely to get held up at gunpoint at is close enough to leave your skull and it's contents a splatter on the pavement with very little effort or aim.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:43 am


At the average range you are going to be held up at, arms length, the vest would be useless anyway, since most of them are soft armor, and only plate armor would even slow down the bullet. YOu got to shell out extra money for those, and it has to be a compatible plate, and that's if the vest you have chosen has pockets for plates.

Here's an example of an effective vest, but it's not sometihng to wear while you are walking down the block.

http://www.uscav.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=8724

And those armor plates? Here's one.
http://uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productID=16298&TabID=548
And it's marked Law Enforcement and Military only. Becasue it'll stop sometihng bigger than a .22 . And you see, it's also more expensive than severla of the vests they had.

uryu ishida


thenerdqueen

PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:43 am


A mish-mash of vest objections

Despite both of your objections, the vests look like they would be a concievable idea for a paraniod person. As for the weight, they all weigh less than the two backpacks I had to haul to school last year. My backpacks probably weighed about 10 pounds, fluctuating with the amount of books I was able to fit into my backpacks, and if I had to bring both my jogging and racing flats to school. Those vests are just a few pounds.
And considering it tends to be around 110 degrees when we run, I somehow think that the heat would not be an issue, at least for me.
Also, unattractiveness - I don't care. I do not wear make-up, fix my hair, wear lowcut shirts intentionally or primp in mirrors during passing period. It wouldn't matter to me how ugly it looked - if it did, I would make it prettier. And if it needs to be redesigned to avoid attention, then let me resow it. It is not that hard to accomplish.
Uncomfortable - a thought just crossed my mind, do they make a special brand for females? It has the potential of hurting if they don't.
Why not a bullet proof hat while you are at it? You could protect your brain as well.


Meat is gross

Yes, I have become intolerant to meat. But being a vegetarian is preferable to having someone forcefeed me meat, so I think I'll stay with it, thank you very much. I am worried about the animals, but not enought to sacrifice them for my supposed healthiness.

When I ate meat, I had near hypoglycemic blood sugar levels, meaning that if I didn't eat, I would faint. (Yes, I did, three days in a row.) But now as a vegetarian AND a runner (usually 3-5 miles - last year I did at least 8 miles a day), funnily enough, I never have had that problem.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:14 am


thenerdqueen
A mish-mash of vest objections

Despite both of your objections, the vests look like they would be a concievable idea for a paraniod person. As for the weight, they all weigh less than the two backpacks I had to haul to school last year. My backpacks probably weighed about 10 pounds, fluctuating with the amount of books I was able to fit into my backpacks, and if I had to bring both my jogging and racing flats to school. Those vests are just a few pounds.
And considering it tends to be around 110 degrees when we run, I somehow think that the heat would not be an issue, at least for me.
Also, unattractiveness - I don't care. I do not wear make-up, fix my hair, wear lowcut shirts intentionally or primp in mirrors during passing period. It wouldn't matter to me how ugly it looked - if it did, I would make it prettier. And if it needs to be redesigned to avoid attention, then let me resow it. It is not that hard to accomplish.
Uncomfortable - a thought just crossed my mind, do they make a special brand for females? It has the potential of hurting if they don't.
Why not a bullet proof hat while you are at it? You could protect your brain as well.


Meat is gross

Yes, I have become intolerant to meat. But being a vegetarian is preferable to having someone forcefeed me meat, so I think I'll stay with it, thank you very much. I am worried about the animals, but not enought to sacrifice them for my supposed healthiness.

When I ate meat, I had near hypoglycemic blood sugar levels, meaning that if I didn't eat, I would faint. (Yes, I did, three days in a row.) But now as a vegetarian AND a runner (usually 3-5 miles - last year I did at least 8 miles a day), funnily enough, I never have had that problem.
1. no one with a carry permit is paranoid. If they were paranoid, they would be barred from purchasing a firearm or, in my state, submitting an application for a permit. Paranoia is a mental problem, and can be used to ban the sale of a firearm to an individual.IF a court acts on it, that is.
2. Bullet-proof hats. They are called ballistic helmets. US Cavlery also has a nice selection of those, too. They also weigh "only a few pounds" and are very large and bulky. They are also exoensive. And likely to get your a** dragged off to a mental health institution for an examination.
3. I don;t care if you carried 2 back pakcs that eighed 10 lbs. a piece. I carried an extra-large duffel bag all year, and the peak weight was 42 pounds. The least it weighed was close to 15 pounds. I'll probably do the same this year, though it will probably weigh less since a larger portion of my calsses don;t have phonebooks for text books this year.
4. They do not make a special design for women or they atleast don;t sell one at USCAV. You could contact them adn see if any are made, but probably not. The women in Iraq wear the same giant vests that the men wear, but of course it is huge and probably has much more room inside it.

Tuch up on 2: But those helmets don;t stop a bullet from entering your face. It'll stop a bullet from entering the upper portion of your head, and some models will stop them from entering your temple/ear areas.

uryu ishida


dronze

PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:05 am


complete point here: body armor for civilian use in average, every day situations is pointless. in order to avoid being spattered all over the sidewalk, you'd have to go out in heavy assault body armor, like they use for some SWAT entry teams, and then all someone has to do is push you over, and then you're in for another world of trouble, as you become a well restrained target for something like, oh, being raped.

ballistic armor is NOT a a realistic option for most people, and when I say those suckers hold heat, I mean that they hold heat. you say you run cross country on 110 degree days? okay, next time you do it, do it in 3 layers of clothes, with weights in your pockets. hauling weight on your back is one thing, but wearing all the extra weight on the front and sides will wear you down fairly quick.

aside from that, have you ever even worked with kevlar before?! if you think you're going to resew that, you're out of your mind! the stuff is meant to slow down bullets and provide protection from knives... they have to use special scissors to cut sheets of the stuff, and you think you're going to sew it to make it look more inconspicous?

right...
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:33 pm


Tiem to revive this dead topic. Why? Cause I;m bored.

They not only use special scissors to cut kevlar, they are also pnuematic along with only cutting it before creating the full-strength layers and weaves.


Okay, now back to the original point of this topic (technically). Why, Queen, do you keep stating that people who carry guns are paranoid? They simply aren't. IF they were paranoid they would walk around in a Storm Trooper outfit (the nickname of a full-body ballistic protection system. It;s a riot suit, so it'll stop blunt trauma, not bullets like people belive). They are just taking responsibility for their own protection, since it has been proven time and time again that the police won't. They don;t legally have to. Yeah they make an oath and stuff, but there is no legal responsibility or liability to protect any citizen. (Meaning that if you call 911 and they decide not to send a unit or they delay till you are dead, your family has no recourse as they cannot sue the department.) Even that 8-hour course (with 4 of said hours required to be on the range) will give you more range time and practice than your local law enforcement will get. I get more range time on average than nearly al of my local department put together, and I only go to the range once a month. I am probably a better shot than half of them, too.

uryu ishida


Syraenom

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:51 pm


I think everyone should have guns, I don't mean to kill with, just to dissuade more columbine and virginia tech incidents.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:14 pm


uryu ishida
Tiem to revive this dead topic. Why? Cause I;m bored.

They not only use special scissors to cut kevlar, they are also pnuematic along with only cutting it before creating the full-strength layers and weaves.


Okay, now back to the original point of this topic (technically). Why, Queen, do you keep stating that people who carry guns are paranoid? They simply aren't. IF they were paranoid they would walk around in a Storm Trooper outfit (the nickname of a full-body ballistic protection system. It;s a riot suit, so it'll stop blunt trauma, not bullets like people belive). They are just taking responsibility for their own protection, since it has been proven time and time again that the police won't. They don;t legally have to. Yeah they make an oath and stuff, but there is no legal responsibility or liability to protect any citizen. (Meaning that if you call 911 and they decide not to send a unit or they delay till you are dead, your family has no recourse as they cannot sue the department.) Even that 8-hour course (with 4 of said hours required to be on the range) will give you more range time and practice than your local law enforcement will get. I get more range time on average than nearly al of my local department put together, and I only go to the range once a month. I am probably a better shot than half of them, too.


Because that was your reason for carrying a gun; if a person mugs you, you can stop them by getting out your gun. I find that paranoid.

But they put cloth over the Kevlar, don't they? I would sow that.

thenerdqueen


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:20 am


thenerdqueen
uryu ishida
Tiem to revive this dead topic. Why? Cause I;m bored.

They not only use special scissors to cut kevlar, they are also pnuematic along with only cutting it before creating the full-strength layers and weaves.


Okay, now back to the original point of this topic (technically). Why, Queen, do you keep stating that people who carry guns are paranoid? They simply aren't. IF they were paranoid they would walk around in a Storm Trooper outfit (the nickname of a full-body ballistic protection system. It;s a riot suit, so it'll stop blunt trauma, not bullets like people belive). They are just taking responsibility for their own protection, since it has been proven time and time again that the police won't. They don;t legally have to. Yeah they make an oath and stuff, but there is no legal responsibility or liability to protect any citizen. (Meaning that if you call 911 and they decide not to send a unit or they delay till you are dead, your family has no recourse as they cannot sue the department.) Even that 8-hour course (with 4 of said hours required to be on the range) will give you more range time and practice than your local law enforcement will get. I get more range time on average than nearly al of my local department put together, and I only go to the range once a month. I am probably a better shot than half of them, too.


Because that was your reason for carrying a gun; if a person mugs you, you can stop them by getting out your gun. I find that paranoid.

But they put cloth over the Kevlar, don't they? I would sow that.

little known fact. Kevlar cannot garuantee that you will be uninjured. A bullet fired at close proximity will puncture the kevlar and will enter your body. If you are being mugged a bullet if fired will be fired from a close proximity
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:06 pm


Again, it's not paranoia. It;s simply being prepared. It puts me, 5'6" 150 lbs on the same level as a 6'8" 280 lb body builder.

Fact. Guns are used to deter crimes five times a day, that is just the reported ones. Of those, the gun is fired rarely. The simple presence of a gun will casue your average criminal to flee; he only wants an easy hit, and when you are on the same level you are not an easy hit.

A Kevlar vest won;t stop knives, either. They travel at too slow a velocity, as the weave of Kevlar uses the bullet's speed against it. Aramid is a knife-resistant fabric, and is possilbe to be sewed into another garmant, with some physical effort. (note I said RESITANT)

And I repeat again, if you are found to suffer paranoia by a court and commited, or are commited by a family member, you cannot purchase a firearm or obtain a license to carry said firearm (if it's a pistol). They aren't allowed to even be given them as gifts or as an inheretance, as it violates federal law.

The Kevlar is actually sewn to the vest at the edges of each panel, with a fabric covering. Still not sewable, unless you just want to change the color.

Now now, remember to do your homework. That's like the Democrat on the Youtube Debates who questioned a questioner's mental health status, and pretty much f---ked himself over in the polls.

It's better to be prepared and never need it than need it and not have it. I know several people, personally, that would have sold their own soul for that chance to protect a loved one in their life, but hadn't been prepared.

You keep a fire exteguisher somewhere in your house, don;t you? You wear your seatbelt, don;t you? You lock your doors, right? You don;t only have a fire extenguisher when you expect a fire, as you cannot predict it. You don;t wear a seatbelt only when you are expecting an accident. You don;t only lock your doors when you expect to be robbed. It;s the same principle.

uryu ishida


Syraenom

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:32 am


kevlar if it does stop bullets still causes bruising right? from the velocity? Because it'd be like getting hit really hard with a blunt object. Carrying a gun would hardly be considered paranoia. I mean, Now a days guns aren't as common, but they used to be seen all the time. I don't see what the problem is. to me paranoia, is believing the FBI is out to get you, or that tin foil will protect your head from aliens finding you.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:09 pm


"Back in the day", you were supposed to carry a gun (not the old west, I;m talknig about the Framer's era). You were considered to have an evil motive if you concealed it. Personally, I'd rather have even gangsters carrying openly, cause I then atleast know they have a gun.

Well, you will always get bruising no matter the caliber, except maybe a .22. Higher calibers will break ribs.

Speaking of tinfoil hats, there are internet shops which were made to ridicule truley paranoid people, or possibly help them, that sell foil beanies, ballcaps, and your stereotypical helmet. All very funny, but wierd.

Today, we had a large congregation of gun owners and guns. No one was hurt, except I got another brass casing down my shirt and burned myself a bit. In fact we had fun. The one with the funnest gun was even wearing dress pants and a dress shirt. We are normal people, but more responsible. Possibly smarter in some aspects, usually math. Most can repeat the ballistics of the cartridge they just fired to me, and even tell me, in millimeters or fractions of inches, the trajectory.

uryu ishida

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