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 Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:49 am
First of all you do not know for a fact that the fetus isn't aware of you killing it. Are you a doctor? Most likely you aren't. And if the fetus is far enough along to have a developing brain and organs it is very much alive and very much a person. To not recognize that would be ignorant. If you kill someone who is alive that is murder. If someone came and killed you that would be murder would it not? Killing a fetus is murder as well. It has a brain it has organs, it has begun to live.
So you do have a point about the condom comment. What I said did have a flaw so I'll revise it plain and simple. To be blunt if you don't want to have a kid dont have sex. If you can't deal with the consequences of intercourse you aren't mature enough to have it nomatter what your age.
Most teenagers who get pregnant have abortions because they don't want to have the baby because "they aren't ready" well if you truly aren't ready or you don't want a child then don't do the act. It's like committing a crime if you don't want to go to jail then don't do a crime.
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:07 am
marshjazz Again, I do not consider a fetis a person. I consider it a parisite. Killing a fetis to me is that same as killing a flea. They are both just parisites. Quote: American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source per·son (pûr'sən) Pronunciation Key n. The composite of characteristics that make up an individual personality; the self. Law A human or organization with legal rights and duties. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/personAmerican Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source mur·der (mûr'dər) Pronunciation Key n. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder Read this again. Killing a fetis, as of yet, isn't murder. A fetis has no legal rights or duties, nor does it have a personality. Legally a fetis is not a person and it isn't murder to kill it, because as of yet abortions are legal. And yes there are numberous studies that you can find online that basically state it doesn't feel it. Signed by doctors, some of the most prestegious at that. A fetis has no consious it isn't aware that it is in the woom or that it is a fetis. It is just there. When you feel pain your body sends siginals to your brain that scream "Owww the left leg is hurting" And then you feel the pain. But with a fetis the body sends the "Owww your dieing" message to the brain, but the brain basically ignores it cause it is speaking a forigin language, it doesn't understand, and then it's dead so it feels nothing. Basically like dieing in your sleep. I agree that people who don't want kids shouldn't have sex, but that doesn't mean we should force people who do make mistakes (a natural part of life I might add) to keep the baby. It is none of ANYBODY's bisuness what people do with them. Also, of course it is murder to kill me, I'm not a fetis. Also it is unlawful to kill me. There is a difference between the living and the pretending to live. Or else how would be get the cliche "Get a life" I consider a fetis alive but not as alive as a living person (as in they walk, talk, try to control other people's property) or a dog or cat. If you get off of the a fetis is a person there is really nothing wrong with it.
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:47 am
marshjazz marshjazz Again, I do not consider a fetis a person. I consider it a parisite. Killing a fetis to me is that same as killing a flea. They are both just parisites. Quote: American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source per·son (pûr'sən) Pronunciation Key n. The composite of characteristics that make up an individual personality; the self. Law A human or organization with legal rights and duties. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/personAmerican Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source mur·der (mûr'dər) Pronunciation Key n. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder Read this again. Killing a fetis, as of yet, isn't murder. A fetis has no legal rights or duties, nor does it have a personality. Legally a fetis is not a person and it isn't murder to kill it, because as of yet abortions are legal. And yes there are numberous studies that you can find online that basically state it doesn't feel it. Signed by doctors, some of the most prestegious at that. A fetis has no consious it isn't aware that it is in the woom or that it is a fetis. It is just there. When you feel pain your body sends siginals to your brain that scream "Owww the left leg is hurting" And then you feel the pain. But with a fetis the body sends the "Owww your dieing" message to the brain, but the brain basically ignores it cause it is speaking a forigin language, it doesn't understand, and then it's dead so it feels nothing. Basically like dieing in your sleep. I agree that people who don't want kids shouldn't have sex, but that doesn't mean we should force people who do make mistakes (a natural part of life I might add) to keep the baby. It is none of ANYBODY's bisuness what people do with them. Also, of course it is murder to kill me, I'm not a fetis. Also it is unlawful to kill me. There is a difference between the living and the pretending to live. Or else how would be get the cliche "Get a life" I consider a fetis alive but not as alive as a living person (as in they walk, talk, try to control other people's property) or a dog or cat. If you get off of the a fetis is a person there is really nothing wrong with it. Ok I may have said some things in the wrong manor...I will admit my mistake. Ok so there is research..I understand this now. I still think a fetus is living but I do agree with your point to not force a person who has made a mistake to keep it...since there are certain circumstances which are beyond the painful comprehension to almost all but the one in the position. That's why I stated in my first post that I am stuck in the middle on my point. I believe that a fetus is a person and that killing it is wrong...but I also believe that one has right over their body. It's quite complicated acutally... <3
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:42 pm
There is nothing wrong with being moderate. When I quoted you I was basically just bring up somethings I noticed in your post. I understand that being stuck in the middle could be complicated.
The only time I fine a problem with it, it when people use it as their ONLY form of birth control. Which is a rare occurence, most people don't like the high surgury bills so they just use the pill or condom.
I never said that I don't think a fetis is living, just not living like you think it is living. (Complicated)
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:12 pm
marshjazz Now I can't find it. sweatdrop But if your really interested I did find a few articles that defend pro-choice using the bible. http://elroy.net/ehr/abortionanswers.htmlhttp://elroy.net/ehr/abortion.htmlEver heard of post-dramatic stress disorder? Giving birth is pretty dramatic. There are tons of issues that come after a woman gives birth. A woman can die while giving birth (taking the baby with her too) just as fast as she can die on the operation table. Dieing is a pretty emotional thing. Some corrections to this. Found it. 17:11 Quote: Lev 17:11a (NIV) For the life of a creature is in the blood. Taken litterally a creature isn't alive until it is infused with blood. A fetis isn't infused with blood until 18 days after conception. Post Pardom depression - Can lead to sucide and/or killing the baby, many women suffur from this after they have a baby. Couldn't think of this earlier for some reason.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:48 am
marshjazz I never said that I don't think a fetis is living, just not living like you think it is living. (Complicated) Perfect example: My signature quote..
Read it. Research it if you must.
Take it for what it is, scientifically.. Not the joke at the end.. Lol..
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:50 am
AmErIcAnSyKo marshjazz I never said that I don't think a fetis is living, just not living like you think it is living. (Complicated) Perfect example: My signature quote..
Read it. Research it if you must.
Take it for what it is, scientifically.. Not the joke at the end.. Lol..
cool And for those of you that are going to say, "You don't know it's not concious! You don't know if it feels things!!!"..
I have a question to answer that statement... Do YOU remember feeling anything when you were a fetus? Or even a year after that? You cannot feel what you do not remember.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:47 am
AmErIcAnSyKo AmErIcAnSyKo marshjazz I never said that I don't think a fetis is living, just not living like you think it is living. (Complicated) Perfect example: My signature quote..
Read it. Research it if you must.
Take it for what it is, scientifically.. Not the joke at the end.. Lol..
cool And for those of you that are going to say, "You don't know it's not concious! You don't know if it feels things!!!"..
I have a question to answer that statement... Do YOU remember feeling anything when you were a fetus? Or even a year after that? You cannot feel what you do not remember.
neutral I'm sorry but some people can't remember life as a baby does that mean they didn't feel things as a baby? No it just means they don't remember that. I think you need to think abotu that quote. Because I don't remember things that happened to me when I was one or two or younger...and I felt everything just fine.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:53 am
marshjazz marshjazz Now I can't find it. sweatdrop But if your really interested I did find a few articles that defend pro-choice using the bible. http://elroy.net/ehr/abortionanswers.htmlhttp://elroy.net/ehr/abortion.htmlEver heard of post-dramatic stress disorder? Giving birth is pretty dramatic. There are tons of issues that come after a woman gives birth. A woman can die while giving birth (taking the baby with her too) just as fast as she can die on the operation table. Dieing is a pretty emotional thing. Some corrections to this. Found it. 17:11 Quote: Lev 17:11a (NIV) For the life of a creature is in the blood. Taken litterally a creature isn't alive until it is infused with blood. A fetis isn't infused with blood until 18 days after conception. Post Pardom depression - Can lead to sucide and/or killing the baby, many women suffur from this after they have a baby. Couldn't think of this earlier for some reason. I have heard of PPD and yes it is pretty dramatic I didn't even think about that in the same way that I didn't think about the Quote you used from teh bible. I have never read that but I can always look it up since there are many parts of the bible that I haven't read that I don't doubt are there. Anyways yes it is confusing to be in the middle. But I agree with you about those who use it as their ONLY form of birth control. The only thing about that quote is alot of abortions happen after that 18 days. When the fetus is "alive" it has blood, and that's the part that bothers me. Because it takes awhile to even know you are pregnant normally. That is my only point.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:03 am
marshjazz Yeah, AmErIcAnSyKo and I have alot of the same views. sweatdrop =D And that post that I quoted myself with was from page 2 when I was talking to someone else. I was just correcting myself. It wasn't directed at you Band. Yes alot of people get the abortion after 18 days, that was only an example of how the bible isn't against abortion and contradicts itself in every other line. I'm sorry but I do have to agree with AS on that. You can't feel what you don't remember. But also a fetis doesn't register pain, so it doesn't hurt it to die. It's like an instant death. Even if you feel it, you only feel it for a second.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:17 pm
marshjazz marshjazz Yeah, AmErIcAnSyKo and I have alot of the same views. sweatdrop =D And that post that I quoted myself with was from page 2 when I was talking to someone else. I was just correcting myself. It wasn't directed at you Band. Yes alot of people get the abortion after 18 days, that was only an example of how the bible isn't against abortion and contradicts itself in every other line. I'm sorry but I do have to agree with AS on that. You can't feel what you don't remember. But also a fetis doesn't register pain, so it doesn't hurt it to die. It's like an instant death. Even if you feel it, you only feel it for a second. Yes I understand that but saying that you can't feel what you don't remember is like saying that a one year old doesn't feel pain just because they can't remember it later. That doesn't make any sense.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:48 pm
band4ever101 marshjazz marshjazz Yeah, AmErIcAnSyKo and I have alot of the same views. sweatdrop =D And that post that I quoted myself with was from page 2 when I was talking to someone else. I was just correcting myself. It wasn't directed at you Band. Yes alot of people get the abortion after 18 days, that was only an example of how the bible isn't against abortion and contradicts itself in every other line. I'm sorry but I do have to agree with AS on that. You can't feel what you don't remember. But also a fetis doesn't register pain, so it doesn't hurt it to die. It's like an instant death. Even if you feel it, you only feel it for a second. Yes I understand that but saying that you can't feel what you don't remember is like saying that a one year old doesn't feel pain just because they can't remember it later. That doesn't make any sense. Don't take my words literally, Band.
When I say you can't feel what you can't remember, I mean it as, you don't remember the pain, so it's like it never happened.
If you don't remember being hit in the head with a baseball, I bet you wont remember what it feels like if you don't remember it.
I don't mean literally, so I'm sorry you took it like that, Band.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:45 pm
AmErIcAnSyKo band4ever101 marshjazz marshjazz Yeah, AmErIcAnSyKo and I have alot of the same views. sweatdrop =D And that post that I quoted myself with was from page 2 when I was talking to someone else. I was just correcting myself. It wasn't directed at you Band. Yes alot of people get the abortion after 18 days, that was only an example of how the bible isn't against abortion and contradicts itself in every other line. I'm sorry but I do have to agree with AS on that. You can't feel what you don't remember. But also a fetis doesn't register pain, so it doesn't hurt it to die. It's like an instant death. Even if you feel it, you only feel it for a second. Yes I understand that but saying that you can't feel what you don't remember is like saying that a one year old doesn't feel pain just because they can't remember it later. That doesn't make any sense. Oh ok...I understand what you are saying now sweatdrop Don't take my words literally, Band.
When I say you can't feel what you can't remember, I mean it as, you don't remember the pain, so it's like it never happened.
If you don't remember being hit in the head with a baseball, I bet you wont remember what it feels like if you don't remember it.
Oh ok...I understand what you are saying now sweatdrop
I don't mean literally, so I'm sorry you took it like that, Band.
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:54 pm
Lol.. It's okay.
And you might wanna edit your post. Lol. You put your response in my quote.
whee
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:33 pm
Pro~choice & pro~life
I am really pro~life, because you were the one who chose to have sex when you weren't ready to have a child, but if you get rapped then you should have a choice on wether you keep it, and have it remind you everyday, so it all depends for me on the situation
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