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 Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:10 pm
Norayr Cornetto1 You cannot define what makes a man and thank god that you cannot, it would be an incredibly mundane world where all men are muscular heroes and all women are pretty, petite damsels in distress PLUS where do gay people come into this? Actually, going off the Bible, we do have a standard, a mold to fill in, if you will. But that's what I believe, and I'm not going to force anything on to you. I'm just letting you know what I believe, and it's totally up to you to receive or reject completely or partially what I say. Gay men? I wouldn't know where to start, but I will if you want. Lets see. In a relationship like that, one male would assume the role of a woman. That defeats the purpose of the male. Then with two males, which is the head? Being homosexual in itself is considered a sin because it breaks the original formula for a male/female relationship. Though that in no way means that I'm bashing on any homosexual people. The people themselves I love as my brother/sister, it's the action of sexual preference that I don't condone. Hmm, I think I'll take the offer on rejecting here wink the mould is being broken and religion declining, equality increasing Not necessarily, it depends entirely on the couple, same as in a hetrosexual relationship, of course there's the small factor of who enters who ect, but even if both aren't into receiving there are other things they can do together. Homosexuality being a sin is silly, in my humble opinion, apologies if I've upset your god or whatever, but I don't see why anyone would have to burn in hell for all eternity just because they're into people of the same sex. It isn't like they can help it
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:15 pm
Norayr nikki stix Norayr nikki stix Norayr That's ugly, and I'm so sorry you had to experience that. I hope you don't generalize now; hope he hasn't tarnished men in your eyes. Nope... hs just made me see that no matter how much you knwo a person, theres allways another side. He was the... no second person i liked after my god awful boyfriend. And thanks to him im like.. "yeah, boys? not too much... im.... uh.... *thinks hard* oh yeah im taken" this is the first time ive been single with no feelings for another in..... YEARS! gosh it feels good to be free and the jealous bug has been terminated I'm glad to hear that you don't feel you need a man to complete you. That's very good. Though do you feel you're still incomplete (not from a "I need a man" pov)? Just curious. I wouldnt say i feel incomplete. I just get lonely easier. And now, almsot 90% of my friends have boyfriends/girlfriends and i have to listen to their cuddling stories and it makes me miss having one. But i see it this way... Im leaving soon and i wont be back for a month, why start something now if i know i cant finish it. Besides when i get back i have college and all this stuff to think about. Having a boyfriend adds to it. And i know itd be easier for me if i had some one to basically "come home to" or vent to. Other than that i like being single, i dont have to worry about brandon trying to get me to cheat cuz he thinks he has me wrapped. and the stress of making sure no ones feelings are hurt. And im the masculine partner, i guess i can blame being a leo. But i wish i had some one who could basically "control" me as in, take care of me, and not the other way around. Only brandon has been able to do that, im so submisive with him its sad. But with any one else ive been with, its like im a dictator when i dont want to be. And with the taking care of you, and him being in control, don't you think he'd be fair in that where he'll treat you as an equal instead of a subordinate? By the way, I do believe that an SO takes up a lot of time and effort, so I've been walking the single road as well. That last relationship was a bit crazy. It's why I've been making the effort of being more the man that I've defined. I mean, im the one in the relationship with a backbone, i can stand on my own and hold others up, but it seems that most the guys need way more support then they give. And ive been through like every relatiosnip you can think of. ive had abusive (physical, mental, emotional), ive had the hard core druggies/dealer, ive had the emotionally unstable, the "lets get drunk and have fun" kind (which was HORRIBLE). Ive had to lie to my parents for boys, ive lowered my standars to make them happy, ive done stuff i regret to make them happy, and then i always get screwed over for it later. So ive basically given up on the opposite sex. My standards are high because of what ive gone threw, my expectations are higher because i like some one who can give more. Ive always been into long term relationships, first impressions can sway my opinion, and its funny the whitty cocky a** holes are normally the ones i befriend and not date. It sucks. but what can you do.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:19 pm
GuruLazer Quote: Have you heard of freedom through the law? Meaning that you can do much more by following rules than going about and breaking the law? I believe that the law is there to be followed, and it's the law that allows you to be free. Though some of the rules our government has is a bit questionable. ~*~ Nowadays our interpretations are bound to screw up. Why? We've broadened every meaning, we've forgotten the true meaning of things, and we just want to please ourselves. Love, in a marriage relationship, would be self-sacrificial. Which would totally defeat what you mentioned up there. You put the other person before you, but you love them as yourself. Which would turn it around the other way, instead of having you being the ego hog and taming yourself to love. Though in many cases then, now, and later to come, I can almost say almost 100% will be like that. Woah, slow down there. Freedom through the law is one thing, it's all fine and good to abide by the law. Who said anything about breaking the law? Some rules are logical to follow: the preservation of life, protecting the innocent, that all makes sense in order to function as a society. Broadening meanings does not limit us, it is knowing only one path which narrows our perspective. If we know every choice and path we can take we have the freedom to walk the right one. Not knowing the other paths is truly limiting. Take love, for example. Nowadays you can fall in love with a person and marry them, or you could simply live with them in a common law relationship, maybe just date them, divorce them if they're not the one, have a gay relationship. There are many choices which suit some and not others, and only they can make the choice which suits them. You can respect the person you love without making compromises, but accepting who they are and sharing responsibility. You fused my separate thoughts to one. I just separated them; they shouldn't be taken as one idea. My abide by the law comment was for, "But anything that restricts people *including religion* is inevitably a bad and unhealthy thing to do." In which I'm saying that following the set restrictions, particularly that from (my) religion, isn't anything unhealthy. Though that road i'd be waling isn't narrow, it's more of one with a focus, I know what I need to attain. The broader one though leaves others confused and longing for some structure on what they need to become. The love, I'll touch up on that later. I'm only avoiding it for now, but I promise to come back later to it.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:21 pm
Phenakism It's odd, but I may actually be one of the only people who agree with you on this. I do not think you were trying to be demeaning in any way and I support your arguments that man should be able to do those things. Thank you! I appreciate that, and I'm glad that you see my ways as something other than demeaning! It's nice to see one person on my side. biggrin
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:26 pm
Norayr GuruLazer Quote: Have you heard of freedom through the law? Meaning that you can do much more by following rules than going about and breaking the law? I believe that the law is there to be followed, and it's the law that allows you to be free. Though some of the rules our government has is a bit questionable. ~*~ Nowadays our interpretations are bound to screw up. Why? We've broadened every meaning, we've forgotten the true meaning of things, and we just want to please ourselves. Love, in a marriage relationship, would be self-sacrificial. Which would totally defeat what you mentioned up there. You put the other person before you, but you love them as yourself. Which would turn it around the other way, instead of having you being the ego hog and taming yourself to love. Though in many cases then, now, and later to come, I can almost say almost 100% will be like that. Woah, slow down there. Freedom through the law is one thing, it's all fine and good to abide by the law. Who said anything about breaking the law? Some rules are logical to follow: the preservation of life, protecting the innocent, that all makes sense in order to function as a society. Broadening meanings does not limit us, it is knowing only one path which narrows our perspective. If we know every choice and path we can take we have the freedom to walk the right one. Not knowing the other paths is truly limiting. Take love, for example. Nowadays you can fall in love with a person and marry them, or you could simply live with them in a common law relationship, maybe just date them, divorce them if they're not the one, have a gay relationship. There are many choices which suit some and not others, and only they can make the choice which suits them. You can respect the person you love without making compromises, but accepting who they are and sharing responsibility. You fused my separate thoughts to one. I just separated them; they shouldn't be taken as one idea. My abide by the law comment was for, "But anything that restricts people *including religion* is inevitably a bad and unhealthy thing to do." In which I'm saying that following the set restrictions, particularly that from (my) religion, isn't anything unhealthy. Though that road i'd be waling isn't narrow, it's more of one with a focus, I know what I need to attain. The broader one though leaves others confused and longing for some structure on what they need to become. The love, I'll touch up on that later. I'm only avoiding it for now, but I promise to come back later to it. I apologise, I just tend to group things together, especially when Cornetto was cornered for seperating two parts of a quote. I digress, I have to agree with him in some respects because it is my firm belief that to see the whole picture is to see the truth. Once we can see all sides and all possible paths we can knowingly determine the right one, not have it pointed out for us. It may be unstructured, but there is no bettter learning tool than to walk the occasional wrong path. People learn from mistakes, and without this experience you cannot learn to make correct choices for yourself. Anyway, it's been fun, but I fear that if I stay away from my bed any longer I will pass out where I sit wink Ouch, it's past 2am here... gonk A la perchoin!
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:26 pm
Cornetto1 Norayr Cornetto1 You cannot define what makes a man and thank god that you cannot, it would be an incredibly mundane world where all men are muscular heroes and all women are pretty, petite damsels in distress PLUS where do gay people come into this? Actually, going off the Bible, we do have a standard, a mold to fill in, if you will. But that's what I believe, and I'm not going to force anything on to you. I'm just letting you know what I believe, and it's totally up to you to receive or reject completely or partially what I say. Gay men? I wouldn't know where to start, but I will if you want. Lets see. In a relationship like that, one male would assume the role of a woman. That defeats the purpose of the male. Then with two males, which is the head? Being homosexual in itself is considered a sin because it breaks the original formula for a male/female relationship. Though that in no way means that I'm bashing on any homosexual people. The people themselves I love as my brother/sister, it's the action of sexual preference that I don't condone. Hmm, I think I'll take the offer on rejecting here wink the mould is being broken and religion declining, equality increasing Not necessarily, it depends entirely on the couple, same as in a hetrosexual relationship, of course there's the small factor of who enters who ect, but even if both aren't into receiving there are other things they can do together. Homosexuality being a sin is silly, in my humble opinion, apologies if I've upset your god or whatever, but I don't see why anyone would have to burn in hell for all eternity just because they're into people of the same sex. It isn't like they can help it I respect your decision to reject. Would you then say that chivalry is dead? Since back in the day being chivalrous with the "in" thing? heh. Yea, I'm not going to bash you for your opinion. Plus you know where I stand. And don't worry about upsetting my God or anything xd though, haha, I believe He still loves ya no matter what. Though i myself don't understand why He'd do something like that, but He's the one that made the rules and everything else, so I believe He's got the right to punish those accordingly for breaking the rules he's set. Give me one sec to go drink some water and eat something. I'm parched and my stomach's growling at me. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:34 pm
♥ What defines a man? their muscles (ooh snap) lol x'D
men with an ear piercing (one) with tight pants, now thats hot
ya know why? cuz theyre not afraid to do things that are a lil different ^.^ ♥
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:34 pm
Norayr Cornetto1 Norayr Cornetto1 You cannot define what makes a man and thank god that you cannot, it would be an incredibly mundane world where all men are muscular heroes and all women are pretty, petite damsels in distress PLUS where do gay people come into this? Actually, going off the Bible, we do have a standard, a mold to fill in, if you will. But that's what I believe, and I'm not going to force anything on to you. I'm just letting you know what I believe, and it's totally up to you to receive or reject completely or partially what I say. Gay men? I wouldn't know where to start, but I will if you want. Lets see. In a relationship like that, one male would assume the role of a woman. That defeats the purpose of the male. Then with two males, which is the head? Being homosexual in itself is considered a sin because it breaks the original formula for a male/female relationship. Though that in no way means that I'm bashing on any homosexual people. The people themselves I love as my brother/sister, it's the action of sexual preference that I don't condone. Hmm, I think I'll take the offer on rejecting here wink the mould is being broken and religion declining, equality increasing Not necessarily, it depends entirely on the couple, same as in a hetrosexual relationship, of course there's the small factor of who enters who ect, but even if both aren't into receiving there are other things they can do together. Homosexuality being a sin is silly, in my humble opinion, apologies if I've upset your god or whatever, but I don't see why anyone would have to burn in hell for all eternity just because they're into people of the same sex. It isn't like they can help it I respect your decision to reject. Would you then say that chivalry is dead? Since back in the day being chivalrous with the "in" thing? heh. Yea, I'm not going to bash you for your opinion. Plus you know where I stand. And don't worry about upsetting my God or anything xd though, haha, I believe He still loves ya no matter what. Though i myself don't understand why He'd do something like that, but He's the one that made the rules and everything else, so I believe He's got the right to punish those accordingly for breaking the rules he's set. Give me one sec to go drink some water and eat something. I'm parched and my stomach's growling at me. sweatdrop Hmmh, yeah honour is a dead thing, but what you gonna do, my ideal world would revolve around happiness and equality not chivalry and valour. I'm not gonna get into a religious debate, since my views would probably be considered extremely offensive xD However, I'm not sure I'd like to accept the love of someone who's gonna burn and torture me for being the way I am Personally, from a purely hypothetical viewpoint, I don't think any god or divine entity would care what we happens on earth, we're an insignificant speck in an infinite universe inevitably full to the brim of life...
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:35 pm
X..candi..X ♥ What defines a man? their muscles (ooh snap) lol x'D
men with an ear piercing (one) with tight pants, now thats hot
ya know why? cuz theyre not afraid to do things that are a lil different ^.^ ♥ hats pure physical appearance... you better look deeper girly!
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:36 pm
X..candi..X ♥ What defines a man? their muscles (ooh snap) lol x'D
men with an ear piercing (one) with tight pants, now thats hot
ya know why? cuz theyre not afraid to do things that are a lil different ^.^ ♥ muscles and peircings are icky xp
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:37 pm
nikki stix X..candi..X ♥ What defines a man? their muscles (ooh snap) lol x'D
men with an ear piercing (one) with tight pants, now thats hot
ya know why? cuz theyre not afraid to do things that are a lil different ^.^ ♥ hats pure physical appearance... you better look deeper girly! Technically, she is looking deeper, however not much so... she's looking at how personal appearance reflects personality
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:38 pm
Cornetto1 nikki stix X..candi..X ♥ What defines a man? their muscles (ooh snap) lol x'D
men with an ear piercing (one) with tight pants, now thats hot
ya know why? cuz theyre not afraid to do things that are a lil different ^.^ ♥ hats pure physical appearance... you better look deeper girly! Technically, she is looking deeper, however not much so... she's looking at how personal appearance reflects personality No shes judging by physical appearance. if every one were to wear tight pants and have piercings then itd be different. doing things different would be a way of acting, or thinking, not dressing.
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:40 pm
Cornetto1 X..candi..X ♥ What defines a man? their muscles (ooh snap) lol x'D
men with an ear piercing (one) with tight pants, now thats hot
ya know why? cuz theyre not afraid to do things that are a lil different ^.^ ♥ muscles and peircings are icky xp No theyre not... well okay depends how they look on a person. Like me, i could never have a noce piercing, itd look ugly and dumb.. REALLY heavy girls cant have corsets cuz no one wants to look, and uber skinny chick would look icky with thyre nipples pierced
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:42 pm
[...♥]My view on a what makes a guy an man is he HAS to be respectful.
For example back in the early 90's men were expected to treat a woman with respect. (Despite the political disadvantages to being a woman.)
In a relationship a guy shouldn't push the idea sex
on a poor girl that isn't ready. If a man touches a woman in such a way that makes her uncomfortable and she
speaks against it, he should just drop it right there.
Personally I agree with what you're saying about the idea of being gentle. Believe it or not, its more of a turn on for most women if you're
just a kind person. Personally I'd rather be with a man who could take his jacket off and put it on a puddle for an elderly person.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that it takes a little respect to make a man. Some other things that make a "man"
in my personal opinion are..he has to have a sense of humor, life is just easier when people can laugh. He doesn't necessarily have to be the
best looking guy, but he has to be well groomed. I also believe that he
should be very openminded and willing to accept things.
Being a smart one is a very important quality too. I think if "men"
in general just learned to accept things instead of make everything a
compition the initial seed of hatred wouldn't be in the world at all.
(Keep in mind for that last part, I wasn't trying to stereo type or generalize
male behavior, I was simply expressing my opinion.)
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:44 pm
nikki stix Cornetto1 nikki stix X..candi..X ♥ What defines a man? their muscles (ooh snap) lol x'D
men with an ear piercing (one) with tight pants, now thats hot
ya know why? cuz theyre not afraid to do things that are a lil different ^.^ ♥ hats pure physical appearance... you better look deeper girly! Technically, she is looking deeper, however not much so... she's looking at how personal appearance reflects personality No shes judging by physical appearance. if every one were to wear tight pants and have piercings then itd be different. doing things different would be a way of acting, or thinking, not dressing. Well yeah, I didn't say she's looking deep enough, but nontheless it's somewhat of an attempt. But liking someone just because they're different is completely moronic anyway confused What if they were different because they liked beastiality or something sick like that
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