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 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:49 pm
Trista Din I recently thought of a new point on this. If Homosexuality was ok with God, then why are homosexualls only now, when sin rules every aspect of the public, coming out? Response 1: If choosing who you wanted to marry was alright with God, then why are people only in the 19th century, when sin was starting to rule every aspect of the public, starting to choose who they married? Response 2: Homosexuals didn't only start coming out within the last 50 years. Lose the culture-centrism. Homosexuals have been living and doing it for about as long as civilization's been around. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexualityhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_Chinahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_GreeceQuote: If it was alright with God, homosexualls wouldn't have been killed for that reason back when they took God much more seriously. God =/= the Christian people. Examples: Councils of Nicea, Crusades, Inquisition. Quote: It would have been a part of daily life for all people even in the very begining. It was. Quote: People have thrust God away from them and only when this has happened have homosexualls, 'come out of the closet'. That's not quite right. Really, that should be "It's only when people have set aside the concept of violence, torture and death as a means to regulate their community's social conduct that homosexuals can come out of the closet." Quote: But those who think its right won't listen to me, I've been there, I know. It helps, generally, not to be wrong. Quote: The Bible also states that "those who wish to be ignorant will not listen." And I notice this more and more with people I debate. Christians, especially, refuse to educate themselves on the importance of context, or the scientific studies, that don't agree with them. I would LOVE it if someone would take one of the links I routinely give and do a detailed refute of it, without using evidence the link has already proven to be invalid. However, I almost never get that. No, instead, it's always the same 6 passages, repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. >_> Quote: God is coming back for a whole and spotless church. If you're not part of that, you will be left behind. We are in the end days, so ask God for the truth about this matter. Please, for the sake of your spirit. I have. I often talk about this and I'm fairly sure I have it cited somewhere in this thread. End result: I'm gay, God doesn't care.
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:03 am
The Bible says what it says. Who are you to pick and choose what verses are a "matter of interpretation?" Who gave you authority over the WORD OF GOD? Don't like a translation? Go back to the greek, do what you must but the facts are the same. And are you really that vain to think you are somehow smarter than everyone else who's ever looked at the Bible? Don't you think the Bible has been under scrutiny of intelligent minds through the centuries? And still we wait for someone to prove it wrong, all they ever do is prove how infallible God's word and how Fallible we, even those who defend the Bible are. How do you think the church did after holding to the theory of a flat earth?
Of course God cares that you are gay, he cares a lot. His heart breaks for his child who sins. This is the age of grace, God's withholding his wrath from the world. Just because God's not striking you down doesn't mean you are right. What about the Serial Rapist who never gets caught, who never faces an earthly judgement? He is still judged by God. Severely, and when Paul, INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT says that we should have no part in homosexuality you should listen. Think about this for a moment. What do we have to lose if we're wrong? Nothing. But you, you have a bit more to lose here. you are in danger of losing your inheritance, the kingdom of God. I don't even care if I'm right, the Bible is.
This isn't about pointing fingers, my heart breaks for you! I care about you, I care about what happens to you! heck what does it matter what I care, GOD CARES and wants to make it right. He gave us the Bible so we could be warned. The Bible says homosexuality is a sin. So, by the power of Christ, HAVE VICTORY OVER IT! Jesus has the victory over sin by His death and resurrection, His hand is outstretched trying to give it to you, if you would only reach out and accept it.
I want to make one thing PERFECTLY clear: homosexuality is no worse than any other sin. Every sin results in one thing: death. And I am not a stranger to sin, I fall, ALL the time. I, though I often try in my own power, can do nothing. I am helpless and bound to whatever it may be, pornography, lying, pride, whatever it may be, Christ is there for us, waiting till we come to the end of ourselves, when we stop making excuses, when we stop trying to stop sinning on our own and just come to Him, as the broken people we are and cry out to Him saying, "I can't do it on my own, I need you!" It is then God can truly work in your life.
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:43 am
The Samurai I want to make one thing PERFECTLY clear: homosexuality is no worse than any other sin.
And to Trista Din, I understand this has already been pointed out, but relationships between people of the same sex have occured in every culture thoughout time. Some very lustful, and some very loving. Also, taking God and His Word seriously means not killing people. In addition, the Bible also has verses on breast fetishism, in Proverbs.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:20 pm
Two things, All sin is equal, you stealing from a store is the same as you raping someone. You NOT doing something God has called you to do is a sin too and ALL ARE THE SAME. If you break one commandment, you are guilty of them all. So yes, there is a difference in the two, Raping is multiple sins, fornication, forced sex, not loving your neighbor as yourself, etc. Homosexuality maybe just two, fornication and homosexuality, but it doesn't matter. Me getting angry at my little brother is the same as murdering someone. Which leads me to your final statement, it says do not MURDER. There is a difference between murder and killing. Killing, in a time of war, though not a good thing, is necessary. Without it, those who would murder innocent people go free to kill more. God allows for killing in these situations and in defense situations. To go back to attraction, it isn't the same. It goes against what God intended, it's still an abomination unto the Lord. There are few things that get this title of "abomination" and all should be taken seriously. So however loving or monogamous, it's still a sin just like a monogamous sexual relation between unwed people.
If i remember correctly, it says in proverbs to be satisfied with the breasts of the WIFE of your youth. Basically pointing out that you should stick it out with your wife and not go off to find pleasure in other women. Moot point, the marriage bed is undefiled. It is when you are doing it without the consent of your wife when things go bad.
If you READ the Bible, in context of the verse, chapter, book and as a whole you won't go wrong. It's all about context. I'll go on about context later.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:08 am
Come one guys... Jesus said that the law would be written each persons heart.
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:00 am
I don't really know what to say I am a 13 year old girl who's confused, you see my aunt died not only a christian preacher but also a lesbian. A few weeks ago me and my dad and sister went on vacation a man was handing out flyers, saying HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN! And talking about burning and stuff. I was allmost in tears. Can someone help clear this whole homosexuality thing up in a way I can understand?
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:45 am
AnimeFairyNatasha I don't really know what to say I am a 13 year old girl who's confused, you see my aunt died not only a christian preacher but also a lesbian. A few weeks ago me and my dad and sister went on vacation a man was handing out flyers, saying HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN! And talking about burning and stuff. I was allmost in tears. Can someone help clear this whole homosexuality thing up in a way I can understand? ^-^ Don't worry; homosexuality is not a sin. Why don't you read this letter? www.godmademegay.com/letter.htm It'll explain everything a lot better than I can.
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:00 pm
scream scream scream scream scream
Argh... Man, this is kinda frustrating. Look final word on this thread!
It is a good idea to ask for help on most things in the bible... BUT this is NOT one of those topics. It doesn't matter what your sexual alignment is when you post here... We really don't care, but it does play a role in your lean on things. Generally Straight says straight and Homosexual says homosexual. ALL this thread will do is create a rift in the guild... It will divide us.
THIS is what I believe is the true answer to ANY question in the bible (especially complicated ones like this.) Do not ask for help for others that you do not know personally, do not read internet articles, and do not listen to modern culture (God help us.) Sit down with your bible and look in the back for verses and chapters (preferably in the new testament) with a key word or phrase in their message. Read that message and then pray on it, but don't expect an angel to come down and slap you with the hammer of knowledge. The answer will come in time.
The fine details of our religion is a topic that even my close family has agreed to disagree on and that is because God wrote his laws on YOUR HEART and each person get their own hand written copy. No two sets are the same.
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:26 am
DJ Saunra "God loves his children no matter what. No matter if we had chosen homosexuality, or stayed straight." Sorry I've been gone for so long you guys. This is the same person as ham[k]. Incase you didn't know, that account was hacked and thus, this one was created. So I lost track of all my guilds, found this one (cuz it's popular - Yay!) and then haven't gotten back into the loop of checking my guilds XD Anyways, I almost wish that I hadn't created this thread. I wasn't here to motitor because of my getting hacked, and this thread turned into a ball of fire, from what I can tell. I see things like what I have quoted above. I think most everyone in this guild will agree that God loves everyone no matter what. That wasn't the topic of interest. But I can see why people would put this in the thread. Some people have displayed hate, and I dont really like it. Some people were asked to not swear, and those people were not respected. Anyways, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm sorry that I made this thread because it turned into something I'm not too fond of. Here are my beliefs on homosexuality: I believe it is a sin, whether you were born with it or not. I believe that if you so happened to be born with it, then God has GREAT plans for your life, you should consider it a great blessing. In the Bible it states many times that homosexuality is against what God wants. Many people take this to mean that no matter what, you cant be born gay. I think it's possible, albiet rare. Those people who believe you cannot be born with it should take a look at the part in the Bible (I'm not sure where it is, but it's in there) about the blind man. People asked Jesus if it was the blind man or his parents that did wrong and caused him to be blind. Jesus told them he and his parents had done nothing wrong, but he was born blind to show God's grace. Jesus then healed the blind man. As a believer that homosexuality is a sin, I believe we have much to learn from this example. I believe if you truely think that you were born gay and that you can't help it...well, try letting God help. Sometimes we need to "let go and let God." Personally, I think homosexuals, especially those that are christian, have a huge blessing upon them. I think if God made them come out of their mother gay, it's because he wants to prove something to the world - and it's not that he changed his mind. These are my views, since everyone else chared theirs. I would like to applaud those who kept their cool in this thread. I dont quite agree with what Caterham_Paladin said. I dont believe that Christians should _ever_ agree to disagree on something. God has written upon our hearts his law, and his law says to share him with everyone. Not just share him - share his love, his wisdom, his laws, his beliefd. All that we believe him to be, we should preach. I also don't agree that just because I dont know someone personally, then I shouldn't that to them about greater matters in the Bible. I've learned much about God from the people I know nothing about. I dont think it matters tif you know the person, it matters if you can keep your cool and respect the person. Some people made this thread an uncomfortable place by not doing this. Anyways, these are my last words. I'm not sure if Caterham_Paladin is a person of athority in this guild since I haven't been here in so long, or if she ment it when she said to stop sharing in the thread. I dont think it creates a rift in the thread to speak fo these things. I also dont think we should stop, I think if I come everyday and monitor what's being said, then things can go smoother. But if she's of athority and truely wants this thread to stop, then we shall no longer engage in this and take it to pms. I love getting into deep and extremely meangingful and hard to understand things in the Bible. I dont think God wants us to ignore certain things in his word when sharing with people simply because it's hard and contreversial. The weight to Jesus' blood is also contreversial, yet we are called to share, are we not? I bit you, good night. heart
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:24 am
getting hacked sucks I believe it is a sin, whether you were born with it or not. I believe that if you so happened to be born with it, then God has GREAT plans for your life, you should consider it a great blessing. I'm sorry, could you clarify?
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:10 am
Shiroi Kokoro no Mendori getting hacked sucks I believe it is a sin, whether you were born with it or not. I believe that if you so happened to be born with it, then God has GREAT plans for your life, you should consider it a great blessing. I'm sorry, could you clarify? Well, I'm not sure if that post was very clear >>; I'm sorry for my spelling mistakes XD (my mom was on my case to get off). But yeah, I used the example from the Bible of the blind man. Jesus said he was born blind not because he did something wrong, and not because his parents did something wrong. It was so God could show his miricles on the earth. I think if you're born with something that is spoken against quite clearly in the Bible, then you need to recognize that you're born with it so God can show the world a miricle, and that you should let God help you. Homosexuality is spoken against in the Bible, and if you're born gay, it's not because God suddenly changed his mind and said "I was wrong guys - sorry I put that stuff in the Bible! I'm making people to be born gay so that you can see I was wrong." God is never wrong about anything. Everything that is in the Bible is stuff that he wants there. If you're born gay, it's because God wants to show the world that you can change something so profound if you have his help. Most people believe that there is absolutly nothing you can do about being gay - your body is just wired differently. I think God is allowing it so he can change the Christians born this way, and show the world another amazing miricle. And it's a great blessing to know that God has plans like that for you. Just my POV though =]
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:02 pm
Um, Ham... I'm a guy... and Caterham is a racing company named after a guy...
But I didn't mean that people should just say I'm a Christian and you are a Christian so we agree to disagree... but everyone sees the bible differently and I believe that is part of the reason God gave man the knowledge there in in the way he did... Each time you read the bible you notice something new and you see another possible meaning. It is all in your state of mind and experiences.
The real idea was that often humans are prideful and "telling" them the meaning of a verse will often get the opposite reaction from them... discuss the reasoning and then each of you will come out better, BUT there will be some differences in opinion and you have to accept that.
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:32 am
Sorry Caterham >>; I've never heard of that company before ninja sweatdrop *feels kinda stupid* XD oh well.
I know there will be differences in opinion, but I still think as christians we should be discussing this. Because, no matter what opinion you hold, someone is wrong. There is only one truth when it comes to God, right? So either I'm wrong and homosexuality is right. Or the homosexuality is wrong. No matter how many ways you can interpret the Bible, God only ment for it to be one way. Thus, we need to discuss it, because we could be wrong.
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:38 pm
A wise man once said... "Opinions are like a** holes... everybody has one and they all stink."
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:25 pm
I'll tend to disagree.
I find it fasinating to learn about how people veiw the Bible, and thus how they view God
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