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 Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:11 pm
Jenga_Chan  So different yet so alike.  x] Sorry, I couldn't resist making an icon out of that xD heart I'm personally fond of them fighting in front of Tui and La (The Ying-Yang Fishies) 3nodding That's my favorite symbolic moment.
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:48 pm
Dementia DarkMoon Jenga_Chan So different yet so alike. x] Sorry, I couldn't resist making an icon out of that xD heart I'm personally fond of them fighting in front of Tui and La (The Ying-Yang Fishies) 3nodding That's my favorite symbolic moment.
Yeah, I like that moment, too. It makes the 'opposites attract' fangirl in me squee. ^.^
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:58 am
Dementia DarkMoon Jenga_Chan So different yet so alike. x] Sorry, I couldn't resist making an icon out of that xD heart I'm personally fond of them fighting in front of Tui and La (The Ying-Yang Fishies) 3nodding That's my favorite symbolic moment. Hee hee! That is so awesome. ;D That fight scene was really awesome. They did a really good job on it.
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:36 am
rachaella22 Whoa. Okay, so I have this book of Asian art, and in it is this painting of people gathered around a tapestry with the yin-tang on it. And in the first sentence it's description, it says this:
"The famous Yin-Yang sign represented a symbolic soming together of all the universe's oppositions, from female and male to moon and sun and water and fire."
If that's not Zutara, I don't know what is. xD
Here's a link to the picture.
Male=Zuko
Female=Katara
Zuko=Fire
Katara=Water
Fire=Sun
Water=Moon
I liked my old analysis better, though. Thanks for the compliment on it, RockyRoadSmith!
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:40 am
Random-Gal930 rachaella22 Whoa. Okay, so I have this book of Asian art, and in it is this painting of people gathered around a tapestry with the yin-tang on it. And in the first sentence it's description, it says this:
"The famous Yin-Yang sign represented a symbolic soming together of all the universe's oppositions, from female and male to moon and sun and water and fire."
If that's not Zutara, I don't know what is. xD
Here's a link to the picture.
Male=Zuko
Female=Katara
Zuko=Fire
Katara=Water
Fire=Sun
Water=Moon
I liked my old analysis better, though. Thanks for the compliment on it, RockyRoadSmith!I love this! The Yin and Yang analazing is really good! Tee hee! No problem! You're really good at this analizing. ;3
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:10 pm
Spoilers for episode 313! Highlight to read:
zukpager pointed this out in the Episode Disuccion, but I thought I'd post it here.
When Aang and Zuko were against the two dragons, Zuko was facing the blue one. Blue is the colour of the Water Tribe, which points toward Katara, who he is currently having some conflict with. Sooner or later, he's going to have to face her. ^.^
Oh, and the dragons were red and blue.
Yeah. Probably just a coincidence, but I thought it was interesting.
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:18 am
Alright, I had a huge revelation as to Zutarian symbolism last night, I think I've figured out the question of why our love of symbolism and supposed use of it as evidence is justified... Here is a link to my rant in my DA journal, along with some 313 symbolism stuff. Go read, and tell me what you think? Zutarian Revelation heart
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:54 pm
My wife and I are Zutara support because ironically...... our elemental symbol matches and we are almost opposites in some ways smile
She is water
I am fire
and we been together for 7 years and married for 2 smile
how is that for a symbol wink
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:09 pm
Chibibar My wife and I are Zutara support because ironically...... our elemental symbol matches and we are almost opposites in some ways smile She is water I am fire and we been together for 7 years and married for 2 smile how is that for a symbol wink That is so romantic! <3
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:30 am
Teh_Sheba Alright, I had a huge revelation as to Zutarian symbolism last night, I think I've figured out the question of why our love of symbolism and supposed use of it as evidence is justified... Here is a link to my rant in my DA journal, along with some 313 symbolism stuff. Go read, and tell me what you think? Zutarian Revelation heart
Errrr... Yeah. >.> Sorry for having my own mini-rant. In short form, I completely agree with everything you've said.
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:55 pm
rachaella22 Teh_Sheba Alright, I had a huge revelation as to Zutarian symbolism last night, I think I've figured out the question of why our love of symbolism and supposed use of it as evidence is justified... Here is a link to my rant in my DA journal, along with some 313 symbolism stuff. Go read, and tell me what you think? Zutarian Revelation heart
Errrr... Yeah. >.> Sorry for having my own mini-rant. In short form, I completely agree with everything you've said. Thank you! heart I'm glad it makes sense and people are agreeing with it ^^ I really do get philosophical in the wee hours of the night...Even though I'm a self-proclaimed firebender and I'm supposed to rise with the sun!
xD
It really IS interesting, isn't it? I mean, even the Cave of Two Lovers(which was on tonight while I was adapting my rant for essay-deviation form) had some symbolism and perhaps even Zutara foreshadowing, yet it's considered one of the Kataang-worship-worthy episodes because of obvious reasons...
But come on! Oma and Shu were dressed in RED and BLUE... and their story of love is frighteningly similar to not only Romeo and Juliet, but ZUTARA. Though I doubt it is foreshadowing either of their deaths, it COULD be foreshadowing a 'forbidden love' to develop between Katara and Zuko. Even though they are friends(or, well, allies and SOON to be friends,) their love would...take a little bit of adjusting to from their other friends.
Now, if Spooty were here, she'd probably say I was taking a very Kataang episode and twisting it to Zutarian purposes...But really. Comparing Kataang to OmaShu(even way back then in Avatar land, there were shippers! XD) is almost like comparing apples to oranges. Seriously. She has even said that Kataang is FORBIDDEN love! how is that? If they decided they both loved each other, the world would probably drop what they were doing and arrange a huge wedding party for the Avatar and his girl. That is not forbidden. EVERYONE would support it. Even Zuko, if he was hypothetically in love with her at this hypothetical point.
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And I don't know if this could possibly mean anything, but it WAS Katara who was narrating the story of Oma and Shu...Not Aang...Might that tie in with the Zutaraness of it? *giggles* I know, probably not, just throwing it out there ^^
I guess it could be argued that Kataang doesn't need symbolism because...it's just THERE... But even though it's THERE, it's still as shaky as if it were based on symbolism like Zutara is! I understand why they're doing it and I love them for it, but the storytellers are dragging out Katara's realization of where she actually stands on her relationship with Aang. And if she's already realized, she's still not telling anyone, including us! It's going to come down to her, really. Zuko, get your little butt in gear and earn back some Katara-Brownie-points!! Post-haste!! *pokes the prince*
And you know what, I have seen symbolism for the Kataang relationship. Though not air/water, their elements... Michelangelo's Pieta! I don't know where, but that photo is floating around here somewhere...
But THAT little bit of symbolism, symbolizes a MATERNAL bond. You can't argue with that!
*looks at her post*
Gyah! It appears I've gone on another rant of my own as well...I really, really need to go to bed... *wanders off*
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:03 am
Teh_Sheba rachaella22 Teh_Sheba Alright, I had a huge revelation as to Zutarian symbolism last night, I think I've figured out the question of why our love of symbolism and supposed use of it as evidence is justified... Here is a link to my rant in my DA journal, along with some 313 symbolism stuff. Go read, and tell me what you think? Zutarian Revelation heart
Errrr... Yeah. >.> Sorry for having my own mini-rant. In short form, I completely agree with everything you've said. Thank you! heart I'm glad it makes sense and people are agreeing with it ^^ I really do get philosophical in the wee hours of the night...Even though I'm a self-proclaimed firebender and I'm supposed to rise with the sun!
xD
It really IS interesting, isn't it? I mean, even the Cave of Two Lovers(which was on tonight while I was adapting my rant for essay-deviation form) had some symbolism and perhaps even Zutara foreshadowing, yet it's considered one of the Kataang-worship-worthy episodes because of obvious reasons...
But come on! Oma and Shu were dressed in RED and BLUE... and their story of love is frighteningly similar to not only Romeo and Juliet, but ZUTARA. Though I doubt it is foreshadowing either of their deaths, it COULD be foreshadowing a 'forbidden love' to develop between Katara and Zuko. Even though they are friends(or, well, allies and SOON to be friends,) their love would...take a little bit of adjusting to from their other friends.
Now, if Spooty were here, she'd probably say I was taking a very Kataang episode and twisting it to Zutarian purposes...But really. Comparing Kataang to OmaShu(even way back then in Avatar land, there were shippers! XD) is almost like comparing apples to oranges. Seriously. She has even said that Kataang is FORBIDDEN love! how is that? If they decided they both loved each other, the world would probably drop what they were doing and arrange a huge wedding party for the Avatar and his girl. That is not forbidden. EVERYONE would support it. Even Zuko, if he was hypothetically in love with her at this hypothetical point.
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And I don't know if this could possibly mean anything, but it WAS Katara who was narrating the story of Oma and Shu...Not Aang...Might that tie in with the Zutaraness of it? *giggles* I know, probably not, just throwing it out there ^^
I guess it could be argued that Kataang doesn't need symbolism because...it's just THERE... But even though it's THERE, it's still as shaky as if it were based on symbolism like Zutara is! I understand why they're doing it and I love them for it, but the storytellers are dragging out Katara's realization of where she actually stands on her relationship with Aang. And if she's already realized, she's still not telling anyone, including us! It's going to come down to her, really. Zuko, get your little butt in gear and earn back some Katara-Brownie-points!! Post-haste!! *pokes the prince*
And you know what, I have seen symbolism for the Kataang relationship. Though not air/water, their elements... Michelangelo's Pieta! I don't know where, but that photo is floating around here somewhere...
But THAT little bit of symbolism, symbolizes a MATERNAL bond. You can't argue with that!
*looks at her post*
Gyah! It appears I've gone on another rant of my own as well...I really, really need to go to bed... *wanders off*
Dx Kataang =/= Forbidden love. The only thing that makes it at all forbidden is Aang needing to decide between the Avatar State and Katara, which, really, is his own personal conflict and doesn't make it at all forbidden in the way OmaShu was.
Agreed. Kataang is there and in our faces, but so far Aang is the only one holding it up in canon. Katara's feelings are completely debatable, and no one will know how she feels until it's clearly displayed in the show. Zuko and Katara have no romantic foundation (yet), but it's still a good possibility, because Katara's feelings are going to have to change, and there is a ton of fire/water, sun/moon, yin/yang symbolism.
Yes! I love that momnet! If Mike and Bryan weren't trying to point something out with that scene, then I don't know what the point of it was I mean, why would they make it so similar if it didn't symbolize something?
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:09 am
I found Yin/yang symbolism in 'The Puppetmaster!' I don't think it's been posted yet, but I apologize if it has.
clearer image:
http://screenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/308/140.jpg
Do you see it? The part were the flowers are dead is like yin, and the part with the water and living flowers is like yang.
>.> Or am I just crazy? Again?
Edit: Forgot to mention how this related to Zuko and Katara. xD
Okay, so the flowers are red and, as far as I can remember, only grow in the Fire Nation. This shows the life side of fire, and the yang in the picture. The dead flowers show how water can destroy, and is the yin part. Together, it shows fire and water in harmony (the living flowers need the Fire Nation's warm climate as well as water to survive), and in conflict (the waterbending is sucking the life out of the flowers, going against its healing nature).
Does that make sense?
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:14 pm
rachaella22 Teh_Sheba rachaella22 Teh_Sheba Alright, I had a huge revelation as to Zutarian symbolism last night, I think I've figured out the question of why our love of symbolism and supposed use of it as evidence is justified... Here is a link to my rant in my DA journal, along with some 313 symbolism stuff. Go read, and tell me what you think? Zutarian Revelation heart
Errrr... Yeah. >.> Sorry for having my own mini-rant. In short form, I completely agree with everything you've said. Thank you! heart I'm glad it makes sense and people are agreeing with it ^^ I really do get philosophical in the wee hours of the night...Even though I'm a self-proclaimed firebender and I'm supposed to rise with the sun!
xD
It really IS interesting, isn't it? I mean, even the Cave of Two Lovers(which was on tonight while I was adapting my rant for essay-deviation form) had some symbolism and perhaps even Zutara foreshadowing, yet it's considered one of the Kataang-worship-worthy episodes because of obvious reasons...
But come on! Oma and Shu were dressed in RED and BLUE... and their story of love is frighteningly similar to not only Romeo and Juliet, but ZUTARA. Though I doubt it is foreshadowing either of their deaths, it COULD be foreshadowing a 'forbidden love' to develop between Katara and Zuko. Even though they are friends(or, well, allies and SOON to be friends,) their love would...take a little bit of adjusting to from their other friends.
Now, if Spooty were here, she'd probably say I was taking a very Kataang episode and twisting it to Zutarian purposes...But really. Comparing Kataang to OmaShu(even way back then in Avatar land, there were shippers! XD) is almost like comparing apples to oranges. Seriously. She has even said that Kataang is FORBIDDEN love! how is that? If they decided they both loved each other, the world would probably drop what they were doing and arrange a huge wedding party for the Avatar and his girl. That is not forbidden. EVERYONE would support it. Even Zuko, if he was hypothetically in love with her at this hypothetical point.
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And I don't know if this could possibly mean anything, but it WAS Katara who was narrating the story of Oma and Shu...Not Aang...Might that tie in with the Zutaraness of it? *giggles* I know, probably not, just throwing it out there ^^
I guess it could be argued that Kataang doesn't need symbolism because...it's just THERE... But even though it's THERE, it's still as shaky as if it were based on symbolism like Zutara is! I understand why they're doing it and I love them for it, but the storytellers are dragging out Katara's realization of where she actually stands on her relationship with Aang. And if she's already realized, she's still not telling anyone, including us! It's going to come down to her, really. Zuko, get your little butt in gear and earn back some Katara-Brownie-points!! Post-haste!! *pokes the prince*
And you know what, I have seen symbolism for the Kataang relationship. Though not air/water, their elements... Michelangelo's Pieta! I don't know where, but that photo is floating around here somewhere...
But THAT little bit of symbolism, symbolizes a MATERNAL bond. You can't argue with that!
*looks at her post*
Gyah! It appears I've gone on another rant of my own as well...I really, really need to go to bed... *wanders off*
Dx Kataang =/= Forbidden love. The only thing that makes it at all forbidden is Aang needing to decide between the Avatar State and Katara, which, really, is his own personal conflict and doesn't make it at all forbidden in the way OmaShu was.
Agreed. Kataang is there and in our faces, but so far Aang is the only one holding it up in canon. Katara's feelings are completely debatable, and no one will know how she feels until it's clearly displayed in the show. Zuko and Katara have no romantic foundation (yet), but it's still a good possibility, because Katara's feelings are going to have to change, and there is a ton of fire/water, sun/moon, yin/yang symbolism.
Yes! I love that momnet! If Mike and Bryan weren't trying to point something out with that scene, then I don't know what the point of it was I mean, why would they make it so similar if it didn't symbolize something?Indeed. Zutara is like the modern day OmaShu. And just like Oma stopped the war between the two villages, Katara and Zuko can unite the nations by example. Together, along with Aang and their other friends, they ARE going to end the war. And one of the things I adore Zutara for is the element of two former enemies coming together in not only friendship, but love!
And since political marriages play parts in actual history when two nations allied with each other, it's entirely possible that Zutara could happen like this, sort of in a way to create a stronger bond between the Fire Nation and the others, particularly the Water tribes. Though instead of it just being a political marriage, it would also be one of love, which I have stressed to Spooty when bringing this point up.
Kataang is more like classic love. and that is, yeah, assuming that Katara ACTUALLY returns the feeling. Aang does have a choice to make, and true, romance is one of the elements in this show that make it so enjoyable, it is kind of outranked, at least in this case, to Aang's need to become a fully realized Avatar, to save the world. And like I've said before, he is going to NEED the Avatar State, he's going to need it AND be able to control it. That's why HE HIMSELF said it in DoBS. And The Guru was there for a reason, too. It's obvious he's going to need to decide between saving the world and clinging to a girl who quite possibly does not return his feelings. And Aang is a smart kid. I think by the time he really needs to decide, he'll already know that Katara doesn't feel the same, and things will be getting desperate in the fight against Ozai. He'll let her go, and master the Avatar state. He may be hurt for a while, true, but he loves Katara, and if she'd be happier with someone else(like Zuko) he'd let it happen. He may be sore about it, and there may end up being some tension between him and his buddy Zuzu...But seriously.
Zutara does have potential! The symbolism and foreshadowing is there... Just the interaction needs to catch up!
And Mike and Bryan did not do that by coincidence. The similarity is too great. And I think, that if they intended putting it there, it woudn't make sense if later it turned out that she was actually in love. I know, feelings can change, but this is symbolism, which is used to portray the less obvious elements of the show and FORESHADOW things that are to come. If there's anything that has been expressed this way, it's the motherly bond with the Pieta, and Zutara through all of the fire/water yin/yang moon/sun references. They're the strongest vibes I've gotten thus far, anyway.
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:20 pm
rachaella22 I found Yin/yang symbolism in 'The Puppetmaster!' I don't think it's been posted yet, but I apologize if it has.
clearer image:
http://screenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/308/140.jpg
Do you see it? The part were the flowers are dead is like yin, and the part with the water and living flowers is like yang.
>.> Or am I just crazy? Again?
Edit: Forgot to mention how this related to Zuko and Katara. xD
Okay, so the flowers are red and, as far as I can remember, only grow in the Fire Nation. This shows the life side of fire, and the yang in the picture. The dead flowers show how water can destroy, and is the yin part. Together, it shows fire and water in harmony (the living flowers need the Fire Nation's warm climate as well as water to survive), and in conflict (the waterbending is sucking the life out of the flowers, going against its healing nature).
Does that make sense? Woo, that's a complex one! O.o
I don't know if they meant anything by it...but that's a pretty neat observation^^
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