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 Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:58 am
duckagee Im curcumsized I think it works better and they look neater. no they dont....im not curcumsized... and uncircumsized look better(im not gay)because u can ether have your foreskin on your head(tip of your head) or u ca pull it back so it look like its circumsized
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:39 am
Sorry for necroing this thread, but I made this big long post for the Sex ed guild, and I figured this debate is just going to come up again anyway.
I read through this entire thread and I have a few things to mention and, hopefully, to shatter some misconceptions.
As the precentage of children who aren't being circumcised is increasing (Mainly since the 1960's), there is lots of misinformation being spread. Some things are simply lack of any experiance in the department, like some women (and some men!) who think that uncirc. Penises are shaped like torpedos, without a head. Others, such as personal hygine, are more skethy, and I will attempt to give an unbiased and informative viewpoint on it.
So here we go.
Personal hygiene with a uncircumcised p***s is easier than keeping the hair on your head clean. You only need to run some water over it when the foreskin is down and maybe rub it a little with a finger. You don't need to use soap (in fact I don't recommend it, because it usually stays down there, and is probably contradictive of the point in why you are using it in the first place.) You don't need to use a loofah or a washcloth, as that would hurt like ******** and damage the p***s. You don't need to do it every day, either.
On the uncircumcised p***s, the foreskin can be drawn fully back (and usually stays) during erection. It can also be pulled up and all the way over the head of the p***s, but it doesn't stay that way. In addition to there being the head of the p***s, there are also some folds of skin on there that would help with pleasuring a woman during sex. The fact that the skin can be moved on the p***s during erection eliminates lots of the need for extra lube during sex too. The natural stuff is often enough.
When not erect there are generally two types of uncircumcised penises, apperance-wise: Ones where the foreskin completely covers the head of the p***s, and folds up a little at the end, and ones where it only partially covers the head. Personally, I find the former ascetically displeasing, but the latter is fine with me. That's just my personal opinion, though.
If you choose to circumcise your kid or not, they will probably not mind either way. Personally, I'd wait until my child was old enough to decide for themselves, and then if they wanted the operation done, I'd let them have it. After all, if you get it cut early, they'll never experience life with an uncircumcised p***s, but if you let choose, they could experience both.
And that reminds me of a person anticdote. A friend of mine got an infection in his foreskin when he was 15 from not washing it for 3 months straight. He didn't tell anyone about it until it was bad, and they had to perform an emergency circumcision. He says, as a person who experienced both being circumcised and uncircumcised, that he much preferred his foreskin, and wished he had kept better care of it. He said that after he got his foreskin cut off, always having the head of he p***s out in the open was very painful, but eventually he lost some feeling in it, which allowed him to live with it more comfortably. However, you must take that with a grain of salt, because he may just be opposed to having a personal part of his body changed against his will, when he had already gotten used to having it there.
A few other things:
Uncircumcised men don't have more trouble getting erections, and if they DO, it's certainly not because of the small amount of extra skin on the p***s, as the foreskin itself doesn't fill with blood like the rest of the p***s, nor become erect. It would be like saying that people with big ears had more fickle erections.
Just because there are nerves cut off when you are circumcised, doesn't mean they are important. The male who possesses a foreskin feels no pleasure in the foreskin itself. I would know. I am one.
My opinion is this: Whatever you do, your kid isn't going to like or hate his p***s because of his possession or lack of a foreskin. Women who will dislike you because your foreskin's status probably (In my opinion) shouldn't be going out with you in the first place. Teach your children basic hygiene, when they're young, and infections SHOULDN'T be a problem. It only took one sentence out of my dad when he taught me how to take a shower.
As for being more likely to contract STDs? All I have to say is the man who relies on not having a foreskin to protect him for AIDS, Herpes, or any other STD, is going to soon become a man who HAS AIDs, Herpes, or some other STD. I imagine that people took a statistic that showed that men who were uncircumcised generally had more STDs than men who were, and slanted it to mean that being uncircumcised was a bad thing. I don't think that because I am opposed to circumcision, just beacuse I can't imagine a labratory making that a controlled experement.
Men who are uncircumcised can generally still wear condoms just fine, thank you.
Circumcizing a male will not make his p***s shorter.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:42 pm
I am a semi-practicing Jew, so any sons of mine will circumcised without question.
That aside, however, there are advantages and disadvantages to both being and not being circumcised. Circumcision both decreases and increases the risk of some diseases/problems with the p***s.
Can a slip-up happen during the process? Yes. Can a guy accidently end up having his whole d**k cut up and end up having to be raised a girl? Yes.
But the chances of the latter happening are EXTREMELY low and it almost never happens. Think of it this way - when people go swimming, even if they know how to swim, there's always a slight chance of somebody drowning. But that doesn't mean that nobody should ever go swimming anymore, just to avoid the 0.0000001% chance that you might drown. I see circumcision slip-ups the same way.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:42 pm
Proudly_Jewish Think of it this way - when people go swimming, even if they know how to swim, there's always a slight chance of somebody drowning. But that doesn't mean that nobody should ever go swimming anymore, just to avoid the 0.0000001% chance that you might drown. I see circumcision slip-ups the same way. I like that. smile I wish there was a clapping hands emoticon.
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:49 pm
Savina Proudly_Jewish Think of it this way - when people go swimming, even if they know how to swim, there's always a slight chance of somebody drowning. But that doesn't mean that nobody should ever go swimming anymore, just to avoid the 0.0000001% chance that you might drown. I see circumcision slip-ups the same way. I like that. smile I wish there was a clapping hands emoticon. Thanks wink
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:31 pm
When my son was born, I had him circumcised. I'm not religious, but the father wanted him to be circumcised, and I was a little worried about caring for the uncircumcised p***s. Plus, not all kids are going to learn to clean it well for themselves until they're 5+. I've read things before about people needing circumcisions later in life due to various problems, and just figured doing it when he was young would end up being for the best.
They did it where they have the little plastic cuff around the p***s and a string with my son, and it healed very nicely with no problem. (I feel weird saying this.. BUT.) It looks nice and neat, and I don't regret it.
In the future, I may think about not having any other sons be circumcised. My next baby I wanted to be birthed in a birthing center, so it won't have the easy benefit of having a hospital. However, I'm much more experienced now in baby-care, so the addition of foreskin care probably wouldn't be as difficult.
However, I would be concerned that my sons would be worried about not 'matching', or issues like that later on in life.
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:20 am
Niarah Z`Ress INTERWIZZ9000 WHAT IF THEY MESS UP? SLIP WITH THE KNIFE eek Happens all the time, to diffrent levels of extremity. My boyfriend has a scar, as many circumcised men do. And it's true, as Oni pointed out, it was quite common for doctors to mess up, and then in a disgusting and pathetic attemt to fix their mistake, they'd simply do more damage, and attemt to change the child's gender to make it more socially acceptable. This happens not only with botched circumcisions, but when a child is born with slightly deformed genitles. It angers me, I've seen programs of adults reitterating their life experiences. Surgery after surgery, emotional confusion, being forced to take hormone pills to try to force their bodies to conform to what the doctors say it should be. Alot of them have no sexual pleasure as the ones with Clitoris' had them cut off. There are no words to discribe how dispicable I consider such proceedures. O^O
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:26 pm
mouthwashisgood Niarah Z`Ress INTERWIZZ9000 WHAT IF THEY MESS UP? SLIP WITH THE KNIFE eek Happens all the time, to diffrent levels of extremity. My boyfriend has a scar, as many circumcised men do. And it's true, as Oni pointed out, it was quite common for doctors to mess up, and then in a disgusting and pathetic attemt to fix their mistake, they'd simply do more damage, and attemt to change the child's gender to make it more socially acceptable. This happens not only with botched circumcisions, but when a child is born with slightly deformed genitles. It angers me, I've seen programs of adults reitterating their life experiences. Surgery after surgery, emotional confusion, being forced to take hormone pills to try to force their bodies to conform to what the doctors say it should be. Alot of them have no sexual pleasure as the ones with Clitoris' had them cut off. There are no words to discribe how dispicable I consider such proceedures. O^O It does NOT happen "all the time". Accidents in surgery with a skilled doctor are rare, and the chances of a severe accident are less than you getting killed in a plane crash. And this is COMPLETELY different than where people cut of the clitoris to stifle women's sex drive. Please don't even bring that up as it has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand, at ALL.
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:59 pm
I'm still slightly torn on the issue. More than likely I will get my son circumcised but because it's a tradition in my family, not for how it looks. Honestly, I can't think highly of people who do it only for how it looks. Count it as a perk, fine, but not a deciding factor.
In the US, usually the surgeons are skilled and know what they're doing. And you can look around and find someone who has performed many and ask what his 'success' rate is if it makes you feel better.
I should take my own advice >.<
But I do have a question on this topic.
If it is done, how old should my son be, at the youngest, to have it done? I've heard of some people doing it two days later and even months and weeks later. I want it done, if I do it, as early as possible.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:48 am
LonesLover If it is done, how old should my son be, at the youngest, to have it done? I've heard of some people doing it two days later and even months and weeks later. I want it done, if I do it, as early as possible. ASAP. Rowan was circed at like, 1-2 days old. But a few weeks is fine too. And if you're nursing, nurse RIGHT before he goes in, and RIGHT after he comes out (insist on it), because it's proven that it helps them get over the pain.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:40 am
Having just checked out the ways they circ guys, I'd have to say that a doc who botches the procedure to the extent where more modifications (I have never found a reliable source for the "gender reassignment" story) need to be made would have to be some sort of special person. They make them pretty mindless. Especially the Gomco clamp. If a doc botches a circ using that procedure (around 75% of circ'ed men were done this way), then they deserve to have their diploma taken away and be beaten with something.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:36 pm
my first bf was cut and my actuall bf isnt. I think the only difference is how the p***s look stare
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:54 am
I have no opinion on this, but yes, the 10-15% worldwide thing is true, and IF you plan on living in another country, I would have to reccomend against it, if only not to scream. "I WAS BORN IN THE US OF A." Because it IS true that most males in other contries are not circumcised wheres most in the US are.
Annnyways, botom line IMO is that It's harmless either way, and it's ultimateley up to the parents...
Note though, that there is some medical evidence that the foreskin can SLIGHTLY increase chances of infection. Then again, This sounds somewhat stupid to me, due to evolutionary mechanisms. (If the foreskin creates a higer chance for infection, then for all thouse hundreds of thousands of years without madecine, why did foreskin survive? After all, if more males with less foreskin could reproduce then males with more foreskin, foreskin is a trate that would have been eliminated by now, and yet its still here. To all the people here who think evolution is abject blasphemy, let me refrase it like this: Why would God intentionally design a part ofhis Beloved Children that could cause them ill?)
Okay, I'm done..
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:35 pm
Niarah Z`Ress http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/fleiss.html If ever you have a son, the link above could be one of the most important things you can read. " Parents should enjoy the arrival of a new child with as few worries as possible. The birth of a son in the US, however, is often fraught with anxiety and confusion. Most parents are pressured to hand their baby sons over to a stranger, who, behind closed doors, straps babies down and cuts their foreskins off. The billion-dollar-a-year circumcision industry has bombarded Americans with confusing rhetoric and calculated scare tactics. ""Routine circumcision of babies in the United States did not begin until the Cold War era. Circumcision is almost unheard of in Europe, Southern America, and non-Muslim Asia. In fact, only 10 to 15 percent of men throughout the world are circumcised." "The natural p***s requires no special care. A child's foreskin, like his eyelids, is self-cleansing. Forcibly retracting a baby's foreskin can lead to irritation and infection. The best way to care for a child's intact p***s is to leave it alone." "Circumcision started in America during the masturbation hysteria of the Victorian Era, when a few American doctors circumcised boys to punish them for masturbating. Victorian doctors knew very well that circumcision denudes, desensitizes, and disables the p***s. Nevertheless, they were soon claiming that circumcision cured epilepsy, convulsions, paralysis, elephantiasis, tuberculosis, eczema, bed-wetting, hip-joint disease, fecal incontinence, rectal prolapse, wet dreams, hernia, headaches, nervousness, hysteria, poor eyesight, idiocy, mental retardation, and insanity. In fact, no procedure in the history of medicine has been claimed to cure and prevent more diseases than circumcision. As late as the 1970s, leading American medical textbooks still advocated routine circumcision as a way to prevent masturbation.5 The antisexual motivations behind an operation that entails cutting off part of the p***s are obvious. " "Circumcision denudes: Depending on the amount of skin cut off, circumcision robs a male of as much as 80 percent or more of his penile skin. Depending on the foreskin's length, cutting it off makes the p***s as much as 25 percent or more shorter. Careful anatomical investigations have shown that circumcision cuts off more than 3 feet of veins, arteries, and capillaries, 240 feet of nerves, and more than 20,000 nerve endings.31 The foreskin's muscles, glands, mucous membrane, and epithelial tissue are destroyed, as well." im sorry but im circumsized and i dont have issues with my p***s and a non circumsized man/boy would be teased mercilessly in school and they would have to clean it every day because there is a type of oil called smegma and if not cleaned regularly it can develop and if left alone can breed pathogenic bacteria and can cause balanitis witch is the infammation of the glands on the p***s
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:18 pm
Personally I see it as a painful and unneccessary procedure. I'm also UK, so it is rarely done over here. And I think cut penises look like mushrooms. I'd still have sex with one, but I prefer uncut.
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