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 Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:41 am
Trixxx gold is not real nor is jesus the bible is just teachings that people should but are not required to believe in (unlike the thoughts of others stressed ), now if you people don't do something about your banners i will be most upset cause what it said in there really made me feel bad for people with other religions. . .
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:00 am
Japi The Bible says it's wrong, what should we as Christians do...? Oi!...*shakes her head*...do you mean homosexuality in general? or homosexuals being pastors?...I'm a youth ministry major at Gordon college, just finished my first year...All i can really say about it is, you're right...the Bible says it is wrong...as christians though, we are called to love everyone and be a light for them...discrimination isn't the right thing...we just need to love them...they're no different then any other sinner...the only difference would be if they are non-repentant, still living in sin...we are all sinners, but god still loves us...we cannot force them to change, but we can show them the word and be examples of Godly men and women did i answer the question?...sometimes i ramble sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:05 am
Trixxx Trixxx gold is not real nor is jesus the bible is just teachings that people should but are not required to believe in (unlike the thoughts of others stressed ), now if you people don't do something about your banners i will be most upset cause what it said in there really made me feel bad for people with other religions. . . Trixx, you need to mature a little bit. The banner for this guild can say anything that we all want it to say. You have your own opinion and thats fine, but you have no right to come here and demand we change something. I'm offended by violent and homosexual banners and signatures, but I don't demand it be changed...By telling us to change your are discriminating against us and persecuting us...Please just leave and stop posting and re-posting
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:15 am
Thank you, Maeko-Hana, on Both counts. My views exactly.
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:26 am
Hi! I'm not a member of this guild, but I'd really like to clarify a few points. I'm not a Christian, but I know a good bit about the Bible Verses that supposedly deal with homosexuality.
The first one, of course, is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. So basically, the people of Sodom want to rape the angels who are in Lot's house (the Bible never states the angels' gender, and besides, why would an angel need to have gender?). Lot offers them his two virgin daughters, but they refuse. They want to rape the angels. So God destroys Sodom and its sister city Gomorrah.
Now, there is no specific mention of 'homosexuality' in this story. In fact, in Ezekeiel 16:48-50, God Himself states that the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah were their pride, their excess of food while the poor and needy suffered, and their worship of many idols; sexual activity is not even mentioned. In Matthew 10:14-15 and Luke 10:7-16, Jesus mentions that the sin of the two cities was to be inhospitable to strangers.
So the word used to describe homosexuals today, 'sodomite', is actually a misnomer; Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of their inhospitality, not because they had gay citizens.
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Leviticus is often used to bash homosexuals.
Leviticus 18:22 states: "Thou shall not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination."
Leviticus 20:13 states: "If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they should surely be put to death...."
However, we must remember that these verses are part of an old Jewish 'Holiness Code' which does not apply to Christians today, via the coming of Christ. In fact, this code also:
-permits polygamy
-prohibits sexual intercourse when a woman has her period,
-bans tattoos
-prohibits eating rare meat
-bans wearing clothes that are made from a blend of textiles
-prohibits cross-breeding livestock
-bans sowing a field with mixed seed
-prohibits eating pigs, rabbits, or some forms of seafood (like shrimp, lobster, clams, mussels, oysters, etc.)
-requires Saturday to be reserved as the Sabbath
So, as someone said before...you can't just pick and choose what to follow in the Bible, right? If homosexuality is a sin, then so is eating shrimp, lobster, and bacon. ^^ And polygamy is a-ok.
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Later verses are used to bash gays as well. The main ones are:
Deuteronomy 23:17-18
Judges 19
I Kings 14:24 and 15:12
Romans 1:26
I Corinthians 6:9
I Timothy 1:9
Almost all of these verses have been mistranslated over the years. The words that have been translated into 'homosexual' (Quadesh, malakoi, and arsenokoitai) did not actually mean 'homosexual' in the ancient Hebrew and Greek (as there wasn't a word for homosexuality). They actually had more to do with Pagan prostitution practices. (Go here: http://www.whosoever.org/bible)
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You see, it's really just a big misunderstanding. Go here for more in-depth information: http://www.whosoever.org/bible/ It's a really great source. Also go here: http://www.truluck.com/
Basically, nowhere in the Bible is there a condemnation of loving homosexual relationships.
I mean, honestly, why would God (even though I'm not a Christian, I believe in God) create gay people the way they are, and then tell them they are bad and that they aren't allowed to live full lives as heterosexuals do? It's obviously not a choice for gay people to be gay; why would you choose something that ensured you would be ostracized and discriminated against? Even the American Psychological Association says that it's not a choice; go here http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/answers.html
Well, that's my rant. I hope I cleared some things up, and if anyone has any questions, please don't hesitate to PM me. I'd be happy to talk, and I promise, I'm really nice! heart
Love and hugs,
Lelas
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:40 am
Oh, and one more thing, about STDs.
Anyone can get them; that includes AIDS.
Q: What group in the U.S. has the lowest rate of AIDS?
A: Lesbian women.
Want to know why? I'm going to get blunt here, so please don't read any further if you don't like to read about sex practices.
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A man's p***s, whether in hetero- or homosexual sex, is used for penetration. With penetration, there is a greater risk for tissue tearage, and therefore a greater chance of infected bodily fluid exchange. So, vaginal or rectal tissue can be torn in straight or gay sex, if it involves a man.
Lesbians don't have to worry as much about tissue tearage, because there obviously isn't penetration in lesbian sex.
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Basically, anyone can get an STD if they have sex with an infected person--that's why we ALL need to know and trust our sexual partners. This responsibility is not limited to just gay and lesbian people. ^_^
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:22 am
we should love them as people, not their life style. even though god said that being homosexual is wrong, he also said to love everyone no matter what. since we are all sinners, how can we condemn other sinners without condemning ourselves?
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:54 pm
BlueHuntress222 we should love them as people, not their life style. even though god said that being homosexual is wrong, he also said to love everyone no matter what. since we are all sinners, how can we condemn other sinners without condemning ourselves? Yeah, we don't hate THEM, we don't like what they do. Like, for example you don't hate your sister when she lies to you, (even though you may say that you do) you hate that she lied to you.
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:58 pm
BlueHuntress222 we should love them as people, not their life style. even though god said that being homosexual is wrong, he also said to love everyone no matter what. since we are all sinners, how can we condemn other sinners without condemning ourselves? Yeah, we don't hate THEM, we don't like what they do. Like, for example you don't hate your sister when she lies to you, (even though you may say that you do) you hate that she lied to you.
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:10 pm
Why did that post 2 times? eek
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:19 pm
People choose to be gay they aren't born that way, and it DOES say in the Bible that being attracted to another person of the same gender & lusting after them is WRONG!!! End of story! scream
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:05 pm
A Jesus Freak People choose to be gay they aren't born that way, and it DOES say in the Bible that being attracted to another person of the same gender & lusting after them is WRONG!!! End of story! scream I agree.
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:12 pm
Therion_Berserk And finally, in the words of the common folk. BULL s**t! I have yet to see a person die because they had sex with the same gender. OMG! Rush him to the hospital! he put his p***s in that guy's butt! oh no...Bull s**t! Besides sexually transmitted diseases which most often happens with straights then it does with gays, poeple don't die because of same sex intercourse!
you know that right...
AIDS/HIV is far more common with Gays then Straights
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:19 pm
I have one other thing to say
If the argument that homosexuality is perfectly natural is true (which I don't buy for one second, I believe it is a choice made by someone because of certain events in their life)
Anyway
If it is true
At birth, humans are naturally selfish because they think everything they want they can just take
But society says thats a no-no, so we grow out of it because we are told it is wrong. I say the same thing for homosexuality. If it is something that some humans are by nature, it should be taught as something not to do through their whole lives, so therefore they will grow out of it and it wouldn't be a problem. The reason it is becoming more and more obvious in society today is because of the new outlook on it.
Kids being taught that "It's OK as long as you're happy" crap is not a way to discourage it, it will only encourage it...
That's one of my argueing points against Gay Marriage
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:14 pm
NoirCheri chikun What if they don't want to stop? What if they believe in god, the are the best citizen, gave to all types of charaties. Always fed his fellow country men when they starved. If he abides by all 10 commandments and never even once thought about doing harm to others, but he was gay and had a partner. Does that make him worthless to "heaven:"? Does his good deeds go unnoticed because he loves and lusts for other males as males would love and lust for women? Of course! One can be as "good" as he thinks he should be and still not make it into heaven because of disobedience. Homosexuality is willful disobedience to God. It is sin. Yes, in hell he shall open his eyes. Well all I can say is that in Romans 1:26-28 it does clearly say that being gay is a sin, 3nodding believe it or not folks the Good Book says so! Yes, 3nodding you should love the person still, stare just not their sins.
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