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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:55 pm


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Strange how some girls don't like the fact that they are hidden... They want to be seen...

It makes me wonder sometimes... Why do some of these girls complain that they can't lead prayers, when in fact they CAN? If some women really want, they can have their own prayer services, and a woman can lead the prayers there if she wishes...
it's not a minyan. it's just a lot of women davening together. which isn't a bad thing, but one still can't say kaddish, or read krea.


My women's tefillah group meets once a (secular) month on the third Shabbat of the month for minchah/maariv in the small chapel, while the men and the non-participating women meet in the larger sanctuary. I've leined the Leivi and Yisrael portions of the following week's portion (in the back of the Artscroll siddur), but we don't make the brachot over that reading. There are a lot of us, maybe twenty or thirty women who do this every month. I must say, I find it very satisfying to hear the words spoken by a voice that's closer to mine in pitch, that reads them with wonder and sensitivity rather than rushing through them and seeming to just want to get it over with. Even though those of us who lein are taught to be fluent in what we're reading, we don't rush, but savor each syllable. The accomplished ones embellish some of the flourishes; we have women who read with Dutch, German, Sephardi, Yemenite, Indian, and other types of trop, so it's always a surprise what we'll hear, and I think it makes us pay better attention and love what we're hearing all the more. For us it's not an obligation, but a joy.

Would I like to lead at a men's service? Sure. But then again, they'd probably be upset at how long I would take, thinking that I didn't know what I was doing, when I'm just trying to chant with feeling for the text instead of just hurry to get it out of my mouth.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:08 pm


ZonkotheSane
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What sorts of things or books would any of you recommend to somebody who's trying to become more religious? I don't have access to a lot of things, nor can I read and write Hebrew fluently in a non-phonetic sense, so that sort of puts a limit on things, unfortunately. I don't want to wait until I'm out at college, and I don't want to wait until I'm old enough to get a job (16-17) so I can order books online. I know this sounds stupid, but any suggestions? sweatdrop
the best places to get books on judaism are, well, jewish bookstores. and i'm guessing there aren't too many of those where you live. so. there are plenty of books to order from amazon, and i could recommend a few, if you want (gateway to judaism, by rabbi mordechai becher, being a good place to start). there are also plenty of websites, run by organizations geared to helping people learn about their heritage, and become more religious. "Aish HaTorah is a non-profit, apolitical network of Jewish educational centers, with 25 branches on 5 continents. Aish provides opportunities for Jews of all backgrounds to discover the beauty and meaning of their heritage in an atmosphere of open inquiry and mutual respect."- from the aish.com website, one of the better kiruv, or outreach sites i've found.


Also try these:

http://www.chabad.org -- Excellent outreach with a Chasidic outlook
http://www.rosenblums.com -- Large Judaica store (spend your money in the Jewish community, not by Amazon!)
http://www.convert.org -- A Conservative rabbi's view on conversion, also contains much information for a Jew who wants to be more Jewishly educated
http://www.jewfaq.org -- An Orthodox man's research, but also sensitive to non-Orthodoxy.

For specific books, I'd suggest reading one or two from the perspective of each major movement, so as to understand a wide variety of opinions on how best to express one's own Judaism. Even if something is more or less traditional than you're really looking for, it will help you zero in on what you truly believe and feel to be important. I liken it to becoming a great writer: You have to learn the laws of the language (grammar, syntax, spelling, punctuation) before you can know when and why to modify them in order to express yourself. With Judaism, I think it helps to know the laws, and live by them for a while at least, before deciding that they're not what you want to do, or that you want to learn to reinterpret them.

ReVisions: Seeing Torah Through A Feminist Lens - Rabbi Elyse Goldstein
To Be A Jewish Woman - Lisa Aiken
The Red Tent - Anita Diamant (fiction, but very well written)
Embracing the Covenant: Converts to Judaism Talk About Why & How - edited by Rabbi Allan L. Berkowitz and Patty Moskovitz
Body & Soul: A Handbook for Kosher Living (call 1-888-GO-KOSHER; I think the suggested donation is about $15)
The Reform Judaism Reader - Meyer & Plaut
The Chosen - Chaim Potok
The Promise - Chaim Potok
Sarah The Priestess - Teubal
Becoming a Jew - Maurice Lamm
A Hedge of Roses - Norman Lamm
To Pray as a Jew - Rabbi Hayim Halevy Donin
Settings of Silver: An Introduction to Judaism - Stephen M. Wyler
Life on the Fringes - Haviva Ner-David
Living Judaism - Rabbi Wayne Dosick
Judaism for Dummies - Rabbi Ted Falcon, Ph.D. and David Blatner

And there's one more by Blu Greenberg. I think it's called something like A Guide To Running A Jewish Household.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:16 pm


Divash
they'd probably be upset at how long I would take, thinking that I didn't know what I was doing, when I'm just trying to chant with feeling for the text instead of just hurry to get it out of my mouth.
You should see some of the amazing minyans we have here near my house... Some of them are barely even 15 minutes long sweatdrop
PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:38 pm


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Would I like to lead at a men's service? Sure. But then again, they'd probably be upset at how long I would take, thinking that I didn't know what I was doing, when I'm just trying to chant with feeling for the text instead of just hurry to get it out of my mouth.
bit o' halacha getting in your way there. an isha, eved, or katan cannot be yotze for an ish. (in other words, a servant, child, or woman can't, for lack of a better word, include a man in a mitzvah.) a shliach tzibur is a prime example of being yotze for someone else, so a woman connot lead a congregation of men. on shabbos mornings, one cannot eat until having said kiddush. but, since a woman can't be yotze for a man, if a man hears a woman say kiddush, it doesn't count for him.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:11 pm


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Would I like to lead at a men's service? Sure. But then again, they'd probably be upset at how long I would take, thinking that I didn't know what I was doing, when I'm just trying to chant with feeling for the text instead of just hurry to get it out of my mouth.
bit o' halacha getting in your way there. an isha, eved, or katan cannot be yotze for an ish. (in other words, a servant, child, or woman can't, for lack of a better word, include a man in a mitzvah.) a shliach tzibur is a prime example of being yotze for someone else, so a woman connot lead a congregation of men. on shabbos mornings, one cannot eat until having said kiddush. but, since a woman can't be yotze for a man, if a man hears a woman say kiddush, it doesn't count for him.


No, halachah isn't getting in my way. I said I MIGHT ENJOY leining in the main sanctuary for a mixed group. I didn't make one single statement to suggest that it would be permitted.

That's why I greatly enjoy our women's tefillah group. We can all be yotze for each other, because our obligations are the same.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:21 pm


I'll start by stating that I would never say of a fellow Jew that they weren't a Jew, but there are Jews who really hork me off. Example: Someone who tells a joke which is only funny if you accept as true a negative stereotype about Jews... and then follow it up with, "It's okay if I say that. I'm Jewish! ... Don't be so SENSITIVE, geesh."

You know what? I am sensitive. I hope to heaven I'm sensitive to the feelings of the creatures on this earth. That goes for animals, plants, humans -- whatever. Do I think that plants have the same rights as animals, or that either has the same rights or responsibilities as a human? No, of course not. That said, I don't think that we as humans have the right to waste life in any form. Use, yes. Waste, no.

And I hope to heaven that I'm sensitive to the hurts felt by my fellow human beings. A lot of those hurts are caused by the perpetuation of 'anti' humor: anti-Jewish, anti-nonwhite, anti-nonChristian, anti-any-group. That humor depends on negative stereotypes, and it perpetuates the notions embodied in those stereotypes, even when the joke teller isn't consciously serious about those cultural assumptions. And if you're not somewhat supportive of one of those stereotypes, why make the joke at all?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:51 am


Divash

And I hope to heaven that I'm sensitive to the hurts felt by my fellow human beings. A lot of those hurts are caused by the perpetuation of 'anti' humor: anti-Jewish, anti-nonwhite, anti-nonChristian, anti-any-group. That humor depends on negative stereotypes, and it perpetuates the notions embodied in those stereotypes, even when the joke teller isn't consciously serious about those cultural assumptions. And if you're not somewhat supportive of one of those stereotypes, why make the joke at all?


It's black humor. A person feels better by joking about things that in reality, they are really horrible. Kinda like drugs in a way... Black humor almost always ends up hurting a specific party, and it's understandable that you're disgusted with this type of humor... It's the way people deal with the darker things in life - instead of facing it, they turn it into a joke... confused
PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:00 am


there's a difference, i think, between those jokes that actually seek to derive humor from a stereotype, and those which are merely comedized insults.

for example: jews are cheap vs the pizza joke

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:39 pm


http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21138714&page=2

Thread filled with anti-jew "humour" Thread starter claimed it was ok because he was " half-jewish" what a dipshit. neutral
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:54 pm


[Prometheus]
http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21138714&page=2

Thread filled with anti-jew "humour" Thread starter claimed it was ok because he was " half-jewish" what a dipshit. neutral


People like that annoy me immensely... stare

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:40 pm


The last time I checked, anti-semitism is not okay just because you're Jewish. I suppose if it's all in good humor and the jokes are horrible Holocaust jokes then...I dunno.

Poking fun at obvious stereotypes about your ethnic group isn't always a sick thing.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:40 am


Have you heard the talk about Elvis being a jew?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:25 am


darlinggirlsarah
Have you heard the talk about Elvis being a jew?
Why would Elvis be a Jew? That makes no sense.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:05 pm


I've heard this, too. Apparently his maternal grandmother was Jewish. However, since she apparently did embrace Christianity, and no one in his lineage embraced or re-embraced Jewish belief or observance before his birth or during his life, he wasn't a Jew himself, nor are his descendants.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:15 am


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And I hope to heaven that I'm sensitive to the hurts felt by my fellow human beings. A lot of those hurts are caused by the perpetuation of 'anti' humor: anti-Jewish, anti-nonwhite, anti-nonChristian, anti-any-group. That humor depends on negative stereotypes, and it perpetuates the notions embodied in those stereotypes, even when the joke teller isn't consciously serious about those cultural assumptions. And if you're not somewhat supportive of one of those stereotypes, why make the joke at all?


It's black humor. A person feels better by joking about things that in reality, they are really horrible. Kinda like drugs in a way... Black humor almost always ends up hurting a specific party, and it's understandable that you're disgusted with this type of humor... It's the way people deal with the darker things in life - instead of facing it, they turn it into a joke... confused


are we talking about dark humor, or just thinking stereotypes are funny?

Black humor, to me, is like Slaughterhouse Five or anything else written by Kurt Vonnegut ...
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