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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:48 pm
I just don't see why so many people have such a big problem understanding the difference between an attack's power, and it's destruction.
Grenades have been around for a while, and they make a big boom. But if your standing behind a sturdy wall, you'll be fine. A futuristic laser beam that can tear through sturdy walls would take care of that, but it might only make a tiny hole. Does that mean it's weaker than the grenade? The military makes explosives that blow a human sized hole in walls for infiltration. There's not big radius of damage, yet it's more powerful.
It would even be ok to have attacks that are more powerful than planet busters, but don't destroy any planets, just the small area that they are aimed at.
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here, but this confusion does seem to come up surprisingly often.
Sidenote: I also get tired of people assuming that certain attacks/transformations take a long time. Sure, the first time he transforms Goku takes a long time, and he can charge the Kamehameha wave for the better part of a minute. However, people seem to ignore the fact that he can do these things almost instantly if he wants to. That's when you get statements like "It'll take him a whole episode to do anything, of course the other guy wins".
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:22 pm
So if I understand, you're referring to concentration of their attacks over a small area? If so, I support this as well.
However, DBZ characters can also be literal when they refer to something as being able to destroy a planet.
If you'd like some manga scans, I'll be happy to post them.
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Saiyan Master Vegeta Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:44 pm
I'm just referring to people like this (actual comment on a youtube video)
"i dont get it, super saiyan 4 is like the super ultimate form but in the frieza saga, freeza blew up the planet with a finger yet super saiyan 4's ultimate attack simply blew like a 500 mile radius at best"
Some people have an unusually hard time understanding that just because something is more powerful, doesn't mean it has to be bigger.
Edit: In our own experience, I think we had a debate here over Vegeta's self destruct. If I remember correctly, someone claimed that Vegeta couldn't have been a planet buster, because all of his power released didn't blow up a planet. However, that was a long time ago, and I could be remembering the argument wrong.
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:28 pm
Omnipotent Trevor I just don't see why so many people have such a big problem understanding the difference between an attack's power, and it's destruction. Grenades have been around for a while, and they make a big boom. But if your standing behind a sturdy wall, you'll be fine. A futuristic laser beam that can tear through sturdy walls would take care of that, but it might only make a tiny hole. Does that mean it's weaker than the grenade? The military makes explosives that blow a human sized hole in walls for infiltration. There's not big radius of damage, yet it's more powerful. It would even be ok to have attacks that are more powerful than planet busters, but don't destroy any planets, just the small area that they are aimed at. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here, but this confusion does seem to come up surprisingly often. Sidenote: I also get tired of people assuming that certain attacks/transformations take a long time. Sure, the first time he transforms Goku takes a long time, and he can charge the Kamehameha wave for the better part of a minute. However, people seem to ignore the fact that he can do these things almost instantly if he wants to. That's when you get statements like "It'll take him a whole episode to do anything, of course the other guy wins". Those are two very well made points that I hadn't really thought about. Well put, Trevor.
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:03 pm
Omnipotent Trevor I'm just referring to people like this (actual comment on a youtube video) "i dont get it, super saiyan 4 is like the super ultimate form but in the frieza saga, freeza blew up the planet with a finger yet super saiyan 4's ultimate attack simply blew like a 500 mile radius at best" Some people have an unusually hard time understanding that just because something is more powerful, doesn't mean it has to be bigger. Edit: In our own experience, I think we had a debate here over Vegeta's self destruct. If I remember correctly, someone claimed that Vegeta couldn't have been a planet buster, because all of his power released didn't blow up a planet. However, that was a long time ago, and I could be remembering the argument wrong. I see how agitating comments like those can be. I also recall someone claiming that Vegeta's self-destruct did not have planet-busting power. Several people in that debate failed to realize that it was a concentrated attack, which is backed up by how Buu was blown to invisible shreds, which only the Spirit Bomb did afterwards. Hell, people even ignored the fact that his base form Gallick Gun in the Saiyan Saga was a planet-buster.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:23 am
Saiyan Master Vegeta Omnipotent Trevor I'm just referring to people like this (actual comment on a youtube video) "i dont get it, super saiyan 4 is like the super ultimate form but in the frieza saga, freeza blew up the planet with a finger yet super saiyan 4's ultimate attack simply blew like a 500 mile radius at best" Some people have an unusually hard time understanding that just because something is more powerful, doesn't mean it has to be bigger. Edit: In our own experience, I think we had a debate here over Vegeta's self destruct. If I remember correctly, someone claimed that Vegeta couldn't have been a planet buster, because all of his power released didn't blow up a planet. However, that was a long time ago, and I could be remembering the argument wrong. I see how agitating comments like those can be. I also recall someone claiming that Vegeta's self-destruct did not have planet-busting power. Several people in that debate failed to realize that it was a concentrated attack, which is backed up by how Buu was blown to invisible shreds, which only the Spirit Bomb did afterwards. Hell, people even ignored the fact that his base form Gallick Gun in the Saiyan Saga was a planet-buster. Vegeta's Self Destruct may not be a Planet Buster at all that I agree with it. The Gallic Gun I have no problem seeing as planet busting. And no it does not have to blow up a planet to be powerful, people seem to forget that. They want to go that Attack from person A can blow up planets = win. Failing that an attack such as Krillian's Destructo Disk did more damage to Freeza than Vegeta was able to do and Krillian is much less powerful than he.
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