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i think prisons should at least make the criminals do hard labor that nobody else wants to do, for food. i say bread and water for everyone who won't work. that will get those people actually helping to pay for their time in prison, rather than just taking up space and watching tv at the cost of thousands to taxpayers.

Everytime I read one of your posts, I appreciate you a little bit more.

I think you are exactly what the world needs. People who understand that all people deserve life, Not just the unborn. I believe that life is far, far too important to take away from anyone, whether you think they deserve it or not.

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Yah, sometimes you have to kill someone to save others as sad as that is, in a perfect world that wouldn't happen.

I agree with the death penalty if they are proven guilty of murders.

People let them go so easily and they would just do it again. And let them watch t.v. in jail (which is too crownded and I don't want to pay taxes for them. People care barly surieve now and days so why waste money for crimals just to sit and watch t.v. when others have to work to death just for food and shealter, that more punishment to us then them).

I least make them really pay for their crime and not let them off easily or they just won't see it as a big deal.

But see, 1 only explains why the views are not contradicting and 2 only states that the current "life" prison sentences aren't done well. It fails to explain why -anything- should deserve death. I mean, why should they be killed, instead of creating "lifer-only" level prisons, where they do hard labor for the rest of their lives? In fact, isn't that a harsher punishment?

It's not the right of humans to arbitrarily take the lives of others away, when you can just put them somewhere where they can never hurt anyone else ever again. confused

It doesn't seem reasonable to me.

And if they are put in a prison, with guards, and they are going to be forced to either do hard labor or rot in a jail cell with none of the rights normal prisoners get (Except, of course, three squares), how are they going to do what they want?

The death penalty fixes the problem about as well as abortion fixes the problem of women who get pregnant and don't have the financial ability to raise a child. Namely, it doesn't, it just pushes the problem under the rug. Instead of taking care of the problem, it says, "You know, I really don't wanna spend time and money to fix this, so I'm just going to get rid of it."

I'm still not saying that they are incompatible beliefs, just trying to show you what I mean.

In a medieval situation, or even just, what, fifty years ago, when it was possible to escape from prison without serious outside assistence, the death penalty was completely reasonable. The person could escape and do more harm, it's a no brainer. But in today's world where, really, to escape from prison, you have to have an army come and knock down the walls, and even if you do somehow manage to escape your description can be released to the entire world and you -will- be caught... There's no good reason for the death penalty.

The only reason for me that you should ever take someone else's life away is if they cannot be stopped from doing whatever horrible evil they are doing any other way. And, in modern civilized countries, there -are- other ways to stop people from doing these evils, once they've been caught. So why should we take away their lives? The only conceivable reasons for the death penalty that I can see is retribution and... I forget the word, but basically to make it so other people won't commit the crime for fear of the punishment. To me, retribution is never a good enough reason for something like that, and the other thing hasn't been proven to be effective. I mean, given the choice between a long life of hard labor and death, which would you pick?

"But that would be deeming and imbarrassing for them. Its so inhuman!" gonk

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Ja. "How big guy,you just sit there in your cell and think about what you've done. To help you think we've provided you with government funded food, water, utilities, TV when its time, and wheights when it's time. Now, be a good boy and just sit there and think abotu what you've done."

Yeah, i like that warden who makes his boys where every thing hot pink. No TV except FoodNetwork and the only TV set is in the cafeteria. Yup, they're eatign bolony sandwhiches with no mayonese or mustard or cheese while Emril is macking Main lobster on the TV. No weights, no ciggeretts, no magazenes of any kind. And hard labor on a chain gang.

"But thats so inhuman. Its so humiliatign for them"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha rofl Its supposed to be! You honostly think that when some one breaks into a convinience store and steals several thousand dollars in electronics, or when some guy cracks another guys head open and puts them in a comma...or rapes and murders some one, that they should just get a slap on the wrist and get to sit around all day and only work if they want to? You think these kinds of people shouldn't be publicly humiliated? You're telling me what they did to get sentanced was humane?

you don't get it. These people can't do anything because every chance they get they commit a crime because they have nothing left to lose. The only left to do is take their life away, and if we can't use that as leverage, we have nothing.

Really, the only thing i see in common with the abortion argument and the death penalty is that both pro-abortionists and those who are anti death penalty have the same tactics: Ignoring the truth in favor of something they are more comfortable with. Perhaps if it was legal for us to strip away all their rights and have them quite literally sit in a dark room with no outside contact and just get 3 meals through a slot in the door, your argument would have some weight, but legally we can't. Which is fine with me since all that's ever done is make people more insane then they already are. No, there is no effective alternative to the death penalty. If there is, i'd say go for it, but since there isn't, i support it.