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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:44 pm
ROY'S HAIR IS SO SUPER KAWAII DESU DESU.
All joking aside though, I kinda like his hair.
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Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:43 pm
It's still Sunday in my time-zone, so it's known.
Sorry for taking so long to update, everybody. Busy, busy day. Anyway, thank you everyone for talking about Roy and his red hair. This next week is all about Thracia's favorite, Leif/Leaf!
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Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:20 pm
"Eyvel, they were captured in my place. I'm not a child anymore. I don't want to sacrifice anyone anymore for my own safety!" First chapter. First freaking chapter. How long does it take other characters to come to this point? Heck, even from the intro, the game pulls no punches with piling burdens upon his then-infant shoulders. Nothing says a harsh future like a little baby watching his own castle burn with an innocent face. Even with the time that has been consumed, I'm glad that I went into FE5 (mostly) blind. Because if I didn't have such a hard time with it at parts, I wouldn't adore the game as I do right now, and I would not have nearly as much appreciation of Leif as I do. I'm having an extended break from the game at the moment, but I'm nearly done with it. So I feel I can talk at least a little about my lovely Leif. Yes, if he's going to struggle I want to struggle too. That was always the goal of the playthrough, especially since once I have beaten it, I can't unbeat it and I will be familiar with it forever. Seeing a character struggle with tough choices and the pain of losing people and being a source of war and destruction during the story scenes is one thing. Feeling it and actively taking part in those struggles is an entirely different one. It's one thing to be told you are the underdog, and then you can actually BE the underdog and have to scramble and use every single thing you have in order to have a chance of success. You have to deal with enough loss in the story proper. I don't know about you, but I don't want anyone dying on my watch. I want as few casualties as possible. While that is impossible, Leif shares the mindset. He wants to fight on his own behalf and accept any responsibility that can be laid at his feet, no matter how bad or how unintentional. No, I don't want to take the easy way out. No, I don't want innocent civilians to sacrifice their lives. No, I don't want anyone to die if I can help it, enough people have died and will continue to die. What would Leif think of me? Heck, what would he think of himself? Not to mention the mushy, glorious feelings I get when my babies succeed in the face of all that adversity. He's not a holy warrior. Psh, PSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHH...HHH....SHSHHHhh. The game slams that into the ground already. Sure, he has minor blood from two bloodlines, but life hasn't dealt him any favors. Characters like Celice are interesting in how their personalities and shortcomings clash with the path that is given to them, but not in many other respects (at least in my opinion). Then again, FE4 is a bird's eye view. That is part of how much of the story is told, with eyes on the big picture and not so much on the little things, save a few. FE5 puts a magnifying glass on the Thracia peninsula and lets us get a better idea of just how bad things got in gen 2 before the good guys actually started winning for a change. I wouldn't call characters like Celice or Sety spoiled brats (being an orphan in occupied Issac and living through family issues and searching for your disappeared dad while your mom dies is not exactly paradise), but having a front row seat to Leif as he claws his way to the top is satisfying in a way that few other lords achieve. Which is why he's one of my new series favorites. There's a sense of seriousness and responsibility to the character that is unmatched as far as the series goes, and the fact that we get to see and act through these events ourselves makes it all so much more powerful. Leif for best trainee. Hah, if only. That's why he's so good in FE4, he already classed up once in FE5! In FE5 he may not have the best stats coupled with a late promotion time, but his amount of supports, one or two leadership stars, and immunity to fatigue (he never sleeps, never stops pushing forward!) makes him valuable in other ways. And it's not like his stats can't be helped either. Leif is a champion, through and through. I'll probably have more to say, but I'll kick this thing off right here and right now.
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Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:50 pm
I know that I'm not really, uh, how to say it, well versed with anything before FE6 and only just started playing FE4 (which I need to pick up again) so the topic of FE5 is a bit hard for me to talk about, but I want to put a bit of what I do know of it forward with my words.
I...really adore Leif.
From what I have heard from FD, Rhys, and Tiki about him, as well as having done some of my own research before even meeting everyone here on FEF and after, I really find his characterization to be well done. How you are forced to realize that Leif is not like many of the other Lords, and that yes, he has a lot on his shoulders from the get-go.
Besides liking his aesthetic character design, because I'm a whore for such things, I find his actual stat build to be quite fitting. I did a bit of research, but I'm not good with statistics and numbers, but his growths are a lot more unique than some of the other Lords in the series.
He realizes from the start his own disposition in the world and how fragile he, and the lives of others around him, can finitely be. He can see the burdens and problems he's facing, and unlike most his age who would turn away and run or deny it, he chooses to continue walking forward and accept and bear the responsibility of whatever consequence may come of his actions.
...and going off topic of FE5, but still related to Leif:
Can I just devour the Spotpass version of him in Awakening? Aside from the aesthetic overhaul that makes him even more yummy, I found his skillset very fitting and, who doesn't love damage-dealers AND healers in one? *shot* He has a permanent spot in my spotpass/dlc campaign team. Along with Sigurd. And this is before I even played or touched FE4 and 5. But I digress from this and will try to get back to FE5-land.
I don't know many details about the game, seeing as I asked not to be too spoiled by everyone, but from what Rhys and Tiki have said about actual chapters with the hoardes of enemies, I have always liked to place myself in the main chara's point of view and look at it as they would. Trying to picture that scenario of facing down so many enemies, knowing you have to survive and do your best to keep the others alive, too...holy balls, man, I would literally be quaking in /my/ boots and yet Leof marches on solemnly. He has my deep respect above all the other Lords from the games I have played.
...That is all I have to say. I hope I didn't sound too foolish, and I apologize since I'm not, as I said, as well informed. >w<
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Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:29 pm
Leif holds the title of my favorite Lord – although it’s a title he shares with Sigurd. The way I divide it is Sigurd is my favorite adult Lord/protagonist of the series and Leif is my favorite young one. He is how you execute a bildungsroman story correctly in this series (the only one that gives him a run for his money in that department is Ike, and I think Leif is the better executed of the two for reasons I get to discuss this week, yaaaaay!).
But really, where to start? One thing I’ve especially loved is that he’s got this narrative about proving himself and playing this major role in the liberation of not just his homeland but the entire continent and he does this without any major Holy Blood. The lack of Major blood is something of a big deal I’ve always thought; nearly all the big-players and world leaders in Jugdral have Holy Blood and leadership is often determined by whether or not you have Major holy blood. Meanwhile, doesn’t-get-the-Gae Bolg-Leif is having to participate in all this and trying to liberate his homeland and go head-to-head with a number of people who have the Major blood and I’m all about it. He’s an example of not being inhibited of doing something in spite of lacking something that’s generally a genetic prerequisite. It’s the same reason Batman is my favorite superhero – because ******** all those superpower-wielding bitches – he can be amazing without superpowers. And I love that he inherits his mother’s Light Sword. In a world where people inherit super powerful badass legendary weapons from their parents, Leif canonically wields the blade of his mother, given to him by his aunt… sort of. He wields a sword that originally comes from the person with the womb that spawns evil incarnate and the half-siblings you need to kill said evil incarnate. And in a game where you don’t have full support conversations to flesh things out, just wielding his signature weapon accomplishes a lot.
And then there’s the fact that he actually does make mistakes. It’s not just that he’s willing to take the blame for his mistakes, he actually unwittingly and sometimes selfishly blunders. And he listens to his advisors. PAY ATTENTION TO THIS ROY. He listens to his advisors. He listens to BOTH of his advisors.
And let it be known Leif is also 15 years of age during FE5. How DID they go from everything Leif has going on and manage to make the next lord they created… Roy? How did they fall so far?
More to come. Long Live Leif. And love live discussion of Leif this week.
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Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:37 pm
I hate to harp on it, and I don't want to diminish any of Leif's awesomeness, but keep in mind he does have minor Baldo and Noba blood in him. I bring this up mostly because I want to ask what you guys make of his lover conversation with Janne in FE4? Particularly this line: Leif: "Look, anybody not of Crusader blood should not be out here fighting." Yeah, the line was there before FE5 was a thing, but how would you work it into analysis? If we're thinking about FE5, I'd think of it more as him worrying about Janne and wanting to keep her safe, especially since it's a lover conversation and all. But I thought I'd just throw that out there. Hah, listening to his advisers, imagine that. Leif and Ike are both in games that prominently feature two advisers, one of them more cynical, and the other more idealistic. They both listen to their advisers, what, you mean that both viewpoints are valuable and should be taken into consideration when the situation calls for it? Perish the thought! When it comes to interactions between the lord and their advisers, I do prefer PoR since having Soren and Titania be playable and affect gameplay more than just a pair of leadership stars is a lot more effective, and Leif doesn't participate as much in the conversations between August and Dorias as Ike does with his advisers in PoR, but the game does something different with it, and also FE5 doesn't have nearly as much dialogue in between chapters as PoR does. When else will we get to talk about August and Dorias in here anyway? ON the subject of advisers and holy blood, FE5 also gives us the line that FE4 had me waiting for but never outright said. FE5 is not at all ambiguous about it. August directly says "Heroes aren't born, Lord Leaf. They are made." Celice has been very obviously set up to fill shoes that are bigger than he is, and I'll talk about that when we get to him. Of course, such a statement from August prompts Leif to ask if he was made a hero by him. August doesn't answer, but the answer is obvious. Look at chapter 5 when the Manster prison crew meets up with August again. It's there that Leif really takes on the task of reclaiming and rebuilding Lenster. Even more, it's at August's prompting that he acts on this dream that he and Finn have had for years. Leif's position as the prince of Lenster and his connections to other territories like Tahra and Alster. He needed this push towards being the figurehead to lead the world to a brighter future, and he is by no means alone in his success. And I don't just mean that in the way every FE lord is united with his comrades. Look at Leif's leadership stars. They vary from zero to two depending on which of his advisers are with him at the time. One star for each of them. Leadership stars are nothing to sneeze at, and they manifest in the story as tactical knowledge and the ability to inspire those under the leader in question. When Leif is without them, his clout goes down. It's a small detail, but one I find very interesting in this context. Couple that with the fact that much of the game is going from place to place trying to fall back on those connections, not to mention what eventually does happen to Dorias (which initially made me mad, since it happened offscreen and the game had been really good about showing us things like that, but now I can't help but think about how a huge victory followed by a serious casualty that happens in a moment somewhere far away would affect the heart). You could even think of everything that happens after first gen to be this mass of orchestrated pieces fighting one another (look at who August gets his instructions from! Psh, even a single cameo makes my brain start doing situps). Of course, that isn't to say that Leif is just a figurehead. His promise to greatness is certainly not hollow, as we in this thread are making abundantly clear. I would even think of Celice as more of a figurehead since he is hardly connected at all to the nitty gritty of the problem, whereas Leif and Fin have been fleeing to various parts of Thracia for all of Leif's growing up, things have gone wrong because he has even set foot there, and he has been among the suffering of his people. What do you know, he gets to suffer even more with everyone as the story goes on. Also, that's not necessarily a shot at Celice either (in terms of him as an interesting character, anyway), as I find that to be very interesting about him and how FE4 and 5 frame him and his victories. Sasuke no Katon
I...really adore Leif.
From what I have heard from FD, Rhys, and Tiki about him, as well as having done some of my own research before even meeting everyone here on FEF and after, I really find his characterization to be well done. How you are forced to realize that Leif is not like many of the other Lords, and that yes, he has a lot on his shoulders from the get-go.
Besides liking his aesthetic character design, because I'm a whore for such things, I find his actual stat build to be quite fitting. I did a bit of research, but I'm not good with statistics and numbers, but his growths are a lot more unique than some of the other Lords in the series.
He realizes from the start his own disposition in the world and how fragile he, and the lives of others around him, can finitely be. He can see the burdens and problems he's facing, and unlike most his age who would turn away and run or deny it, he chooses to continue walking forward and accept and bear the responsibility of whatever consequence may come of his actions.
...and going off topic of FE5, but still related to Leif:
Can I just devour the Spotpass version of him in Awakening? Aside from the aesthetic overhaul that makes him even more yummy, I found his skillset very fitting and, who doesn't love damage-dealers AND healers in one? *shot* He has a permanent spot in my spotpass/dlc campaign team. Along with Sigurd. And this is before I even played or touched FE4 and 5. But I digress from this and will try to get back to FE5-land. No, you don't sound foolish at all! It's all for the love of Leif, and more people are always welcome! Sachiko Wada is a great artist, and she draws a great Leif. In fact, I believe FE5 was the first game in the series where Sachiko Wada was involved with the game's design. I think that trickster was a great class choice for him in Awakening too, since he can use staves and swords in FE4 (though it was the princess class that got staves right off the bat and not prince, whatever), and you could tie Leif being a trickster in with whatever it is you had to do in FE5 to set things right. If you're a whore for liking aesthetic design, what does that make me? Especially on Titania week and Levin week, just you wait. You're totally allowed to comment on design, especially since the best ones say things about the character they portray.
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Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:28 pm
Well, to throw out some additional lines to consider, FE13 gave us the following when you get Leif’s Einherjar: “I wish I could know what that must feel like... But no doubt it also come with its share of burdens. I often ponder what it means that I did not receive the Brand... Perhaps I am not worthy to follow in my father's footsteps? Or was I spared?”
“You make me realize both how far I have come and how far I must yet go. And that perhaps I won't need a god's help to get there.”
A substantial list of characters have minor Holy Blood of some sort or other, and it definitely sets them apart. But speaking of figureheads, without the major blood to wield the weapon associated with it, minor blood is comparatively nothing more than a fancy heritage status that would give someone a position as a prominent figurehead for a house but unable to perform actions because of it. That Leif has minor holy blood gives him a birthright towards reclaiming Lenster, but it doesn’t give him any actual means with which to do so, unlike someone with major Holy Blood. It’s essential for Leif to have the holy blood that he does to make his character what it is. If he had no Holy Blood or Major Holy Blood, he’d either be difficult to justify fulfilling the leading role that he does in the liberation of Thracia and the Holy War overall or his struggles wouldn’t have nearly the same context that they do if he could just Gae Bolg all his troubles away.
And Ike/Soren/Titania advising situations are some of the most enjoyable in the entire series, I agree. Although what I like about what FE5 does with Dorias and Agust is that Leif is actually given choices from his advisors that you get to pick that have consequences on the game itself. Like whether you march to Lenster’s front door or go the backway.
As for what happens to Dorias… it’s one of a number of fantastic moments Leif gets which shape his character in a tangible manner. With Dorias, the gravity of his responsibilities as a leader in liberating his homeland will stay with Leif permanently from that point forward. To have reached the initial goal he started with and then experience a blow like that really permanently impacts him as a leader (and is worth considering in conjuction with his lover line to Janne).
There’s also seeing his homeland burn as a small child.
And finally confronting Travant who is responsible for him losing his entire family.
And meeting a sister he’d been deprived of growing up.
And I could talk about all of those major instances in detail but that would take too long for just one post. But while other characters throughout the series also get big moments like that, very few get as many as Leif done, and even rarer for such moments to be well done.
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Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:24 pm
Don't get me wrong here. I'm not debating the fact that his minor blood doesn't come with the recognition and power that major blood does. Again, the game has stomped that into the ground already. I'm just bringing up things I find interesting regarding his character and the environment that has been set up.
The fact that he would bring up in his FE13 lines that he may have been "spared" from following in his father's footsteps is interesting and plays into those themes I think of in conjunction with Celice. The things that Leif has to do isn't because he is directly associated with Cuan himself, but rather because he is entrenched in Lenster and its hardships, even moreso because he is Lenster's prince. Compare to Celice, who is picking up where Sigurd left off even if has never actually set foot into Grandbell before the end of FE4 chapter 10, right before the end of the game. I feel that Leif is more free in his actions then Celice is. (again, that element of choice helps a great deal, but that isn't the only thing). Leif however thinks a lot more about his nation and the people who are affected by him, so his choices go that way, with all sorts of positive and negative consequences. Meanwhile Celice has to be the conquering hero of the whole world because of his dad and his blood (his MINOR blood included, though when it's Naga blood it packs a bit more of a punch). His fate is linked with the center of all of the problems in Jugdral, right down to his half brother being the antichrist and his half sister being the only one that can stop him. Therefore more choice and opportunities for growth are taken from him, and his path is more laid out. Without that same sense of responsibility to his homeland, he doesn't have that sense of conviction that Leif does. Or when he does, it feels somewhat hollow (again, I actually find that somewhat interesting and think it is intentional).
I actually never thought about minor blood in that way, that is comes with heritage but no way of securing that heritage (though of course, minor blood does carry with it skills with weapons and certain attributes, and other tendencies I find interesting, which is definitely nothing to sneeze at). I actually like that a lot, and am going to use the crap out of it. :B
The minor blood creates and increases that sense of responsibility I love so much, as does putting the choices in the hands of the player, you're right. The advisers in FE5 accomplish different feelings and have different outcomes than they do in FE9, but the similarities are worth mentioning (and there are a lot more where that came from).
What I was getting at with my other post was Leif's place in the grand scheme, though obviously within FE5 as a midquel that focuses on a small but particularly interesting section of Jugdral, the focus is less global. Since it's a midquel, however, it fits snugly into FE4's big picture. I guess I still find comparing Celice and Leif very interesting, as well as comparing their different contexts, but I want to prevent myself from doing it too much since Celice will have his day later, of course. Heck, in FE4 we spend more time in the Thracian Peninsula than we do in any other territory besides Grandbell (and with Grandbell it isn't all in a row, like Thracia is). What makes a hero is something that FE5 addresses directly, as is the necessity for such figures to exist in such dark times. I find the way FE Jugdral handles this idea, especially in FE5, very much worth talking about.
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Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:11 pm
So we have Leify boy, there’s much to say about that fellow. For starters, his design in particular is definitely unique among the other lords of red and blue hairs. He is the only lord in the series that actually has brown hair which is pretty awesome. I really do love his design, though I generally like the OA of him.(Except for one OA which is really blaarrrghh!) And I like both of the leif DLC art designs in FE13. Both very wonderful designs, terrific colors and all that stuff. As for the trickster class choice, I think it was a pretty good choice for him with what we could’ve gotten. And yeah it does kind of fit him If you think about it…
A little something I thought I’d note for those that know about the Tear Ring Saga game.(Since Shozou Kaga was involved with fire emblem before FE6) The main character of the game, Runan, does have a very striking resemblance to Leif, design wise. It could just be me but I found that very interesting.(Even those that claim it to be an FE rip off which landed kaga into some trouble… )
But anyways, time to go into Leaf as a character. He’s the young lord I feel is done right and he‘s just a great character. Sigurd is also a favorite of mine, but I’ve been thinking and I feel Leif is a little bit more interesting in terms of a clear character. When FE4 first introduced him, I had a feeling I was going to like him. Even though we get very little scenes with him in comparison to FE5. The scenes that we do get are still great. We get to see Finn and Leaf interact together which is still nice. Altenna and Leaf have been separated for so long and the first time that they interact is emotionally touching to see. Say all you want about Generation 2 in FE4, but the moments that are good are still very good. FE5 leif is definitely much more fleshed out. Leif goes through so much compared to the other lords. He wants to save all the lives that he can no matter what the stake is. I just have a lot of respect for that to be honest. Oh yes, and Leif has two advisors August and Dorias.(I was also quite surprised of what happened to him offscreen so suddenly like that) As for me personally I love the scenes with August and Leaf. And how they talk about the harshness that southern Thracia is going through, or whether it’s the decisions he’ll have to make. Learning to move on when a terrible situation happens. I have the sense that Dorias was a great man that is respected as well.
It seems like IS went a step backwards in FE6 with Roy. Leif actually takes in consideration about the options that the advisors given the situation. LEIF ACTUALLY LISTENS to them. And yeah, he does make mistakes of course, but he accepts the consequences and learns from it.
He has to deal with so much struggle in order to survive as he grows up through the game. That whole intro in FE5 is very dramatic and demonstrates how deep FE5 is on a story level.(And that score man..) He’s a mere infant and Lenster has already fallen while the only person protecting him is Finn.(And everyone knows that he‘s my favorite) There’s the fact that the Thracia dragon army is after them constantly because Leif is the last heir to the Lenster throne. And he has to hide constantly until the day he can reclaim Lenster again for the unification of Thracia. But the interesting aspect about Leaf is how he literally has to rise up again. And this is what the other lords kind of lack, they don’t really suffer nearly as enough that Leaf does. Oh, they go through conflict here and there for certain, but it’s not in the way that you feel that they are in huge trouble. I mean, Ike for instance had a moment in FE9 where he could’ve been killed for speaking out his opinion against an apostle.(Though, I said this last time in Ike‘s New Years Bash.) But that was his own fault there, and Ike shouldn’t have spoken up to an authority higher than him. But it’s more like the trouble happens to Leaf because he’s in constant danger all the freaking time.
The thing is judgral is actually a pretty messed up place once you think about it. There’s child huntings going around, a secret dark sect trying to revive a dark god, and there’s people suffering all over the continent. But I find it a very fascinating region in particular. It’s simply on how the story is told through the narrative which really works so darn well. The whole idea of survival is what FE5 is about, and it’s told through gameplay and I think is a very unique idea. You’re literally starting off with nothing, and you have to steal the enemies weapons through capturing. And even bosses like Lifis or Salem you have to capture to make them an ally which is quite an interesting way to use this system. It’s very successful on how this is done because the player has to experience what Leaf goes through, as the game moves on progressively getting more and more difficult. Also, it’s very true that FE5 is a tough game to handle you need practically all the help that you can get to through it the game.
But I do see a bit of Ike from Leif. But to its game’s credit, there’s no base conversation or anything like that. But he does have interactions with practically everyone that he encounters through FE5. I like that everyone is involved in some sort of way like that. No one is tossed to the side, and that every companion you meet will be useful. It’s like everyone is influenced by him in a way. But I’ve yammered on too long about Leaf…
How is he as a unit? Well in FE4 he’s amazing. He’s only a lord in the beginning and has a decent rank in swords. But then he’ll eventually promote into one of the greatest classes in FE4 the Master Knight! He’ll be able to wield practically every single weapon in the game. And of course being a mount to have more extra movement is very beneficial in FE4. His skill set is Continue, Critical, and Pursuit.(which I believe he does get once he promotes.) In FE5, he’s not nearly as great but he’s still very helpful. True, he doesn’t gain a mount after promotion. It’s more like he starts off at the class that leads towards the later part of FE4. I’d argue that he’s at least much more useful than someone like Roy or Marth. His growths are decent enough for him to fight well against enemies, great support options, only one to wield the light sword(Also it can restore leif‘s health completely if used as an item. How cool is that! =D), a memento from his dear mother Ethlin. He could be given the King Sword for that extra charisma bonus to other units on top of having leadership stars already. Plus it’s like a brave sword too which is a nice bonus as well. It’s also possible for him to get up to 9 movement, if you’re lucky enough. So yeah, I actually kind of like Leif as a unit in FE5. Is he as good as FE4? Not at all.. But still, he has so many uses about him to make up for it. ALL HAIL LEIFY BOY!
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:00 pm
Sasuke no Katon I know that I'm not really, uh, how to say it, well versed with anything before FE6 and only just started playing FE4 (which I need to pick up again) so the topic of FE5 is a bit hard for me to talk about, but I want to put a bit of what I do know of it forward with my words.
I...really adore Leif.
From what I have heard from FD, Rhys, and Tiki about him, as well as having done some of my own research before even meeting everyone here on FEF and after, I really find his characterization to be well done. How you are forced to realize that Leif is not like many of the other Lords, and that yes, he has a lot on his shoulders from the get-go.
Besides liking his aesthetic character design, because I'm a whore for such things, I find his actual stat build to be quite fitting. I did a bit of research, but I'm not good with statistics and numbers, but his growths are a lot more unique than some of the other Lords in the series.
He realizes from the start his own disposition in the world and how fragile he, and the lives of others around him, can finitely be. He can see the burdens and problems he's facing, and unlike most his age who would turn away and run or deny it, he chooses to continue walking forward and accept and bear the responsibility of whatever consequence may come of his actions.
...and going off topic of FE5, but still related to Leif:
Can I just devour the Spotpass version of him in Awakening? Aside from the aesthetic overhaul that makes him even more yummy, I found his skillset very fitting and, who doesn't love damage-dealers AND healers in one? *shot* He has a permanent spot in my spotpass/dlc campaign team. Along with Sigurd. And this is before I even played or touched FE4 and 5. But I digress from this and will try to get back to FE5-land.
I don't know many details about the game, seeing as I asked not to be too spoiled by everyone, but from what Rhys and Tiki have said about actual chapters with the hoardes of enemies, I have always liked to place myself in the main chara's point of view and look at it as they would. Trying to picture that scenario of facing down so many enemies, knowing you have to survive and do your best to keep the others alive, too...holy balls, man, I would literally be quaking in /my/ boots and yet Leof marches on solemnly. He has my deep respect above all the other Lords from the games I have played.
...That is all I have to say. I hope I didn't sound too foolish, and I apologize since I'm not, as I said, as well informed. >w< Not at all man. If anyone that's foolish, I'd probably be...(Since I'm not too hot with holy blood stuff and I tend to ramble uncontrollably sometimes... xP) The more Leif fans the merrier. If you have any thing to say about Leif then go for it. Anyone that has something to input is always welcome. It's a shame there's not more people here for Leif week.. But I'd still recommend giving FE5 a try to anyone that loved FE4 or just enjoys Jugdral stuff in particular. As tough as the game can be at times, I think It's a very well worth taking a look at.
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:37 pm
Thank you everyone who participated in Leif Week! It's now Sigurd's turn.
And next week will begin the cycle anew with an Awakening character.
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:04 pm
Sigurd, oh, Sigurd.
Sigurd was the first character that I posted about in the old thread. At that point, I was still fresh out of Holy War and didn't have the opinions that I have now. In addition, I was trying to convince myself that I liked Sigurd more than I actually do.
That's not to say I don't like Zigludo. I do. I've been leaving around bits and pieces of how I view him now here and there, but I've had a bit of a revelation about him recently.
The thing is, I like Sigurd's situation and the characters around him more than I like Sigurd himself. That's different from how I feel about Marth, because Sigurd, well... you know what happens to him. He begins wanting to save his friend who has been kidnapped by bandits, and ends up getting deeper and deeper into a continent-wide scheme, while making decision after fate-sealing decision until there is no escape. Especially upon subsequent playthroughs, I really feel the tragedy in Gen 1, since I know about the world more each time I play it. I love the tragedy of three close friends being forced to fight and die with each other and against each other. I love that when something looks even the slightest bit positive, like Claude's involvement, it just ends up being dragged into this snarl of mess. There's only one way this could end, and it is with a fireworks show.
But... I can't ignore how boneheaded Sigurd is at times. Yes, you've got one thing after another getting in his way, the whole damned if you do damned if you don't chestnut, you've got the higher-ups in Bahara giving him orders that make him stay in Verdane in Augustria before he is named a traitor... but when going from castle to castle, lopping off heads, killing entire armies, and CONQUERING castles, how many times did he think "you know, this might be a little suspect." I don't think it is obtrusive to the point of interrupting the drama, but it's this nagging little blip that I always have when talking about Sigurd. It's not like he isn't called out about it in the game either. Eltshan's first scene in the game is him going over to Evans and going "Yo Sigurd, you're conquering Verdane and you happen to be super close to Augustria, da fuq you doin?" By the time Sigurd and co have trampled Augustria, been named a traitor, and are spirited away to Silesia, there is no turning back, nor can Sigurd turn his back on the mess that he needs to clean up. But still, in the first few chapters, it just kinda bugs me.
But here's the twist ending. You know how you can get Sigurd to stop the wheel of pain?
Stop playing.
Turn the game off.
Go home.
Don't go on the offensive and attack the ring of armor knights surrounding the castle. Rescue Aideen, go home. Kiss Dierdre on the mouth, go home. Help Lachesis, go home... But you don't want to stop. You want to beat the game, conquer the next castle, and move on. Perhaps I am looking too deeply into this. But many of FE4's chapters call for the player going on the offensive and are broken up by long stretches of space. But I think that it's an interesting aspect of the game, Gen 1 in particular, and I think it's one of the big reasons that Sigurd's story gets so many people emotionally invested.
Because a lot of it is your fault as well. You are the pusher, everyone else just pulls you from place to place.
Oh FE, you are too good to us.
Sigurd does have a good head on his shoulders, a dash of Grandbellian imperialism not withstanding. He worries about the people (which I am learning is FE4's warcry, which people in the game follow to various degrees, in various potentially clashing ways), and he doesn't like to stand for injustice. He doesn't even think when he learns that Dierdre is being kept from the world, he thinks that isn't right. Sure, it's impulsive and ends up dooming everything, but the initiation of that five second romance is decent at least (and the theme is friggin' beautiful, but I'll save that for Dierdre week). But I do like watching the situation more than the man. I like seeing his world fall apart, because I am a terrible human being.
As a unit, he kills everything.
Everything.
EVERYTHING.
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:06 pm
So Sigurd, I have some things to say about him. For awhile now, I've been thinking why do I like Sigurd as a character for the longest time? But maybe he's not as great a character as I made him out to be at first. It might have been the tragedy that felt more interesting to me rather than the characterization. But to be fair most of the incidents that does happen to him aren't entirely Sigurd's fault. He's practically forced into the dilemma of these other problems that just seem to happen to him.
Like at the end of chapter 2 for instance, he doesn't entirely understand the reason why he's declaring war with agustria at that point. Or really what's even going on.. He wanted to do all he could to help out Eltshan because they're good buddies.And he was thrown in the dungeon by shaagal... But then decides to help him escape because his loyalty still lies with Agustria.
Don't get me wrong, I do still like him and is a favorite of mine in Genealogy of the Holy War. There are certainly many things to like about him for sure. The man is an all around good fellow. And I think he's a likable of an enough lord. He's there for those that are dear to him such as his friends like Aideen of jungby, and it's more or so Verdane's invasion that started his tale in the first place. Sigurd also is the sort that wants to be there for the citizens and all that.
He's at least really fun to be around with, and his interactions with the other characters are very fun too. My favorite is the backstory with Eltshan, Cuan, and Sigurd and their pact that they made way back in the academy. Wouldn't it be interesting if that part was dwelled on a bit more? He's the only lord in the series that actually does not get a happy ending. And I mean he really suffers for it tragically, but I'll get to that a more on that in just a bit. With each step as FE4's plot progresses so many things just happen to him.
At some point he becomes branded as a traitor of the prince Kurth assassination conspiracy, because you know how those two jokers Reptor and Langbart aren't very fond of Lord Bryon and such. So he has to go to a whole different country in silesia to hide out for protection, or rather it's mainly because of a rumor that goes around which is untrue. He is forced to engage in battle with his best friend Eltshan and loses him, both his sister Ethlin and his brother in law Cuan dies in battle, and he even witnesses his own father's death barely hanging onto his life. So yeah, you could say that Sigurd really does experience so much through his story, as it's quite a bit for him to bear. But all of these events are really what make him interesting, but it's more on the level on the events that revolve around him.
Also about the unhappy ending I mentioned earlier, Sigurd is actually the only lord in the series that dies at the end of part I of FE4. But he suffers for it, for one not being able to see Dierdre whom he truly did care for with all his heart. It's a very coldhearted way to go but it's still quite sad. I mean, sure the pairing was pretty rushed obviously. We kind of have to accept that they're together and that's that. We don't get much time to see what their relationship is like how they act or anything of the sort. They eventually get married and -poof- they have a child.
But I really thought their interactions in the beginning was actually quite nice. And I agree with Tiki about the music. Then again, the whole FE4 track is wonderful... But Dierdre's theme and the way it's used when it plays. It's just really quite beautiful.. Right at the end Alvis really lets him have it with a grand display of fireworks on Sigurd and his entire army.(Though there are those that still lived) And It was pretty unexpected to see it for the first time.
So as a unit, Sigurd can wreck stuff pretty badly. It's pretty unique to see a lord that's already promoted and he's a mount too! Seriously, 9 movement is fantastic in FE4 where moving as far as possible across grand scale maps is very beneficially important. And there's the fact that mount units can move again after attacking which is so useful. He's got the Baldo holy blood which is pretty cool. His only skill is the pursuit skill but it's still a good one for him. He primarily uses lances and swords. And his rank in swords is already at an A, or it's with the * symbol in FE4. He does well with just about any decent sword or even the hero lance is great. Eventually he'll claim the Trfying blade which is a pretty amazing sword, and it enhances his stats even more to make him unstoppable than he originally was before!!! XD
But yeah this is what comes to mind with Sigurd..
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:31 am
THANK YOU for posting. I'm tragically busy this week, so I copypasta'd my post from the previous thread. It's something :/ Manic Martini Sigurd is my second favorite Lord in the series. I absolutely love his character and his story, and I’ll talk about that before his merits as a unit just because it excites me so. Sigurd is a MAN. A REAL man; ******** all those 15-18 year old Lord protagonists in the other games (still love you though, Leaf). He gets married and has a child during his story instead of in some epilogue if he gets the right A support. His best friends from school Eltshan and Cuan live in different countries and all of them have real responsibilities that prevent them from assisting each other at all times, even if they’d like to, and to me, being the only protagonist of his age with all the circumstances that he has makes him seem like a much more fully developed and believable protagonist than Fire Emblem usually dishes out. There’s a maturity in how he handles himself that makes him very endearing; even as his story throws him further and further into Hell, he never sinks into despair and still constantly acts in the best interest of his country despite it certainly no doing the same for him (and without some really obnoxious cheery disposition younger characters tend to have). And then there’s his story. Sigurd does everything right and praiseworthy throughout his entire story, despite the various machinations and manipulations of others that eventually drag him down, and that gives his story such a tragic hue. He is THE archetypal tragic hero of the Fire Emblem series, and it was executed brilliantly in this game. Even as soon as he meets his wife Deidre the game is suggesting to you he’ll have an unhappy fate. When people talk about how great FE4’s plot is, they’re probably not referring to Gen II, they’re referring to the story of Sigurd (what happens with his son is SO much more generic and uninspired). And everything that happens to him, especially his ending, made me care about him so much more. Suffice to say, I really like Sigurd’s character. As a unit, he’s also pretty great. First Lord to come in a promoted class and the only one unable to promote again (and his class is clearly the inspiration for Eliwood’s promotion), and giving your Lord a mount in FE4 is a VERY good thing with its maps. But things work differently in FE4, and although he doesn’t promote, he DOES have 25 levels to gain, as Tiki pointed out – he just also gets the benefits of his promoted class for the entire game. He’s also the first Lord to come strong and remain strong (it’s a pretty huge improvement and shift coming after Marth). The weapon he’ll want to Berserk to pass down is conveniently handed to him in the Prologue and makes him VERY strong compared to your other units, and while you don’t want to overuse him, you DO want to get him to Level 30 for better stats for Celice, so he gets to utilize those nice stats throughout the entire first generation. 100 gold a use may seem steep at first when his other weapons are very small fractions of that, but Sigurd has no problems going through the arena, and when one remembers how expensive other weapons, especially Holy Weapons, are, still comes off as paying for peanuts for that Silver Sword of his. And, of course, being the Lord means perfect availability, which is great when combined on a unit like Sigurd. And he’s fortunate enough to have Pursuit, which you can’t take for granted in FE4. His growths are very nice for Gen I standards, and he has very good chances of capping Strength, Skill, Speed, and Defense (79% chance of capping Strength and Skill, 19% chance of Speed, and 15% chance of capping Defense), although they do have rather disappointing caps – still, it’s plenty impressive for Gen I. Also, while it is just for the last chapter you have him for, Tyring’s 10+ Skill, 10+ Speed, and 20+ Resistance totally make up for his less than impressive caps in the former two, and take him from a magically susceptible unit to a mage killer (not that there are exactly a whole lot of mages to be killed in Chapter 5, but it helps if he has to eat a Meteor). On top of being a great combatant, he’s a great team player with those Leadership stars making him a mounted support unit for anyone that needs the help. It is unfortunate that he’s bound to Deidre for a lover which limits the benefits he gets from a lover and his ability to give the benefits of being one, but on the flip side, he doesn’t have to participate in the chaos of finding a lover and producing the best children possible and will never HAVE to be glued to any other unit which makes him more flexible in constructing strategies and formations. The guy is totally solid, in character, story, and in use as a unit. And I really, REALLY want him to have a DLC chapter. He deserves it crying ! Curious: if Sigurd wasn’t stuck with Deidre who would you pair him with? I’m thinking Lachesis to stack Baldo and Hezul blood.
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:13 pm
I'm happy that I came home to see that I as the lone dissenter wasn't the only person who posted in here. Also, this is my answer to FD's last question.ALL HAIL NUTS FUJIMORI! Bringing more honesty to the FE4 fandom one gag at a time.
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