Hikaro_rin
Cobra_X
iLadyShira-chan
The argument about the body healing itself, is one I've heard before by athiests; that it wasn't God's "power" but rather the power of the human mind.
There is a large difference between someone's cancer going into remission and many of the healing miracles that Jesus performed...
I mean, just a few of the examples:
- The Blind Man who could suddenly see. (Placebo pills do not magical restore a person's eyesight.)
- The lame man, who had for his entire life, lay by the pool, suddenly getting up and walking away.
- The cripple who was able to reach out his head.
...and let's not forget the three or four occasions when Jesus brought people back from the dead. Placebo effect had nothing to do with these cases, or rather, you would be HARD PRESSED to say the power of the mind was the reason why they were healed (especially with the dead people).
No offense, but you are essentially using the bible to prove the bible. since what is more or less the "target" of doubt in this conversation, it is not really a good reference. you would be hard pressed to prove that any such resurrections really happened.
Shay is right in that if god exists and the holy books are true, then he/she/it is taking a less direct approach than he did in ancient times. Even so, it is arguable that he is/isn't helping, my personal opinion being that if he is real, then he is helping. That is impossible to prove either way of course, unless god were to pop in and say "hey guys I'm real BTW".
My main annoyance with christianity, is the idea that you aren't good enough for heaven if you don't believe in him/her/it. While I suppose theres small consolation that good-doers aren't damned to hell. It doesn't make sense that people such as Gandhi, arguably the greatest "good-doer" that can be proven to have existed, wouldn't be worthy of going to heaven while a murderer could stand a chance if he only prayed to god and asked forgiveness.
I dont think all branches of christianity really believe this, just the more hardcore ones, but it just doesn't make sense to me.
I might just say this in all of my posts, but I am absolutely astounded that this is going so well/not developing into an argument.
I'm Shira, not Shay. Fight me. scream
xD Lol, just kidding.
