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 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:54 am
God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason Well why can't simple people write anything true huh? They can, but even professors who have studied science for 60 years require evidence for their thesis. Silent Harry Mason This book isn't simple writings, you realize there is a biblical coding within the torah? The first five books of the old testament, they have found names, dates, and times for many things within it. People have given dates that say things such as an assassination that occurred. http://www.muphin.net/biblecode/08.htm You do realize that prophecies are a hoax, right? I gave you the link on that. 1. There are several mundane ways in which a prediction of the future can be fulfilled: 1. Retrodiction. The "prophecy" can be written or modified after the events fulfilling it have already occurred. 2. Vagueness. The prophecy can be worded in such a way that people can interpret any outcome as a fulfillment. Nostradomus's prophecies are all of this type. Vagueness works particularly well when people are religiously motivated to believe the prophecies. 3. Inevitability. The prophecy can predict something that is almost sure to happen, such as the collapse of a city. Since nothing lasts forever, the city is sure to fall someday. If it has not, it can be said that according to prophecy, it will. 4. Denial. One can claim that the fulfilling events occurred even if they have not. Or, more commonly, one can forget that the prophecy was ever made. 5. Self-fulfillment. A person can act deliberately to satisfy a known prophecy. There are no prophecies in the Bible that cannot easily fit into one or more of those categories. 2. In biblical times, prophecies were not simply predictions. They were warnings of what could or would happen if things did not change. They were meant to influence people's behavior. If the people heeded the prophecy, the events would not come to pass; Jonah 3 gives an example. A fulfilled prophecy was a failed prophecy, because it meant people did not heed the warning. 3. The Bible also contains failed prophecies, in the sense that things God said would happen did not (Skeptic's Annotated Bible n.d.). For example: * Joshua said that God would, without fail, drive out the Jebusites and Canaanites, among others (Josh. 3:9-10). But those tribes were not driven out (Josh. 15:63, 17:12-13). * Ezekiel said Egypt would be made an uninhabited wasteland for forty years (29:10-14), and Nebuchadrezzar would plunder it (29:19-20). Neither happened. 4. Other religions claim many fulfilled prophecies, too (Prophecy Fulfilled n.d.). 5. Divinity is not shown by miracles. The Bible itself says true prophecies may come elsewhere than from God (Deut. 13:1-3), as may other miracles (Exod. 7:22, Matt. 4: cool . Some people say that to focus on proofs is to miss the whole point of faith (John 20:29). Silent Harry Mason How could people back then know about those things Hmmm...? confused And before the thing about someone could have gone back and edited it would be nonsense You are right. That would be nonesense, but look at the above statement. Silent Harry Mason You seem to hate the bible as being told to be true, but there has to be more. Why would you hate it because it was written by simple folk? No. I don't hate the bible, I hate your retarded statement surrounding it. The Bible have influenced more people than your sorry a** ever would. It's just that you claim it's 100% true, I disagree. Silent Harry Mason If it said that the emperor of rome wrote it, or the ruler of some other nation would that change your view? No Silent Harry Mason God doesn't choose mighty people, or strong people to get his job done, he uses those who are despised to confound the so-called wise. He uses those who are considered lowly. EX: David and Goliath. It's funny that you have a claim as to what God does when you rely on the Bible. No it can't be modified in this case, or a code THROUGHOUT ALL FIVE BOOKS WOULDN'T SHOW. And the bible isn't saying I predict people will drop a potato. What odds would it be to say that someone would be beaten for his people? Since it is in the dead sea scrolls how did anyone get a hold of them to modify them? What makes them a hoax? Opinion? As a matter a fact you've mention the skeptic bible again which I've already proved several things that they have misenterpreted and why the heck would the Illuminati be willing to fulfill the New World Order to bring about a prophecy from a book that they hate? The U.S. Government wouldn't be taking Christian stuff out if they didn't hate it, and Obama is involved with some of this as well. All of the prophecies in the bible break out of all the stuff you just wrote. Just because you look at someone's opinion makes them right right? So you automatically hate it because Atheists disagree and don't want God to be real because of what is written in the bible right? You failed to answer my question on why you deny the bible, nobody edited it, or it would all be out of balance. And the out of balances that the Skeptic bible showed was nothing more then God insults, and misinterpretations that misunderstood what they meant. You're still saying the same thing but fail to literally show any of it. Sodom and Gomorrah are actually found to have mass traits of sulfur and other chemicals, Noah's arc have been said to have been found, everything is lining up with the book of revelation according to every account, and God is coming soon. Believe what you want, believe lies of people who think they understand things, but there are a lot of atheists that have seen hell and came back believing what they saw. http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/u/14/w-v1Fppjlvc http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/1/OnVhKH2C1Jw http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/5/YU7q4HSnm24 http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/0/p_uIQP3nD58 http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/9/LY4eduFR0mI http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/10/JlA0XDgFpwg http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/5/O-3bDwaI9w0 EACH of these people were Atheists before they saw hell. The process of a chemical experience is also invalid because each of them go into so much detail. Including this: http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/0/5HbtoX3Q5OI I find it funny how you keep changing goal posts. How is it that level of detail means that it's divine? our brains are amazing processors with wonderful videocards. I already answered why I deny the Bible. It's the same reason why I deny the Qu'ran, Torah, Viddec, Dianetics and the Book of Mormon. No proof of any higher power and it has been proven that we evolved into humans. Not born from 2 of them 6000 years ago. The preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. Why are you here if you don't want to be convinced? To troll? To convert me to the atheist mindset? What have you even said so far that even could contend to what I said? You didn't explain why those people saw that. cool You realize those videos are just some famous examples of what millions are experiencing daily right? It is funny after hearing those atheists speak about what they saw can't convince you, in fact it is funny that you try to prove he is not there and not even respond to my comment on Sodom or Gomorrah or how scientists have seen the ark on multiple occasions, then again how do you explain the boat getting up there regardless of whether it is Noah's ark or not considering there are parts of it that are still in one piece. In fact it took you several hours to reply to that. Well I don't really want you to answer that because you can't. But let me leave you with this. If you are right when we die, then we will simply just not exist anymore. If I'm right however, take into mind that I accepted Jesus because he saved me, and that you would be seeing hell, and that would suck because you missed it all if that were true. I'm not saying this as a "Your going to burn in hell for not believing sort of thing" It isn't by anything we can do, even if one believes by intelligence it isn't enough. God has to do it. I'm trying to say, where will you be in ten years, fifty years, eighty years, Heaven and Hell are real, and only those who actually accept him will go there. I don't care how you respond, because I'm not claiming I'm better, I deserve hell, we all deserve to be swept there right now. It doesn't matter what I say, because you reject the obvious truth of the bible. And no offense to Islam, or any other doctrine including the book of Mormon, but Jesus is the only way.
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:06 pm
Obscurus Silent Harry Mason Obscurus Silent Harry Mason Obscurus If everything we know about God has been communicated through people in contact with him then how do we determine the validity of those very first communications? How do we know that they weren't communicating with a demon or something from the very first instance? The assumption is that only God spoke at first and laid down the rules for everything after that. How do we know it was God in the first place? How do we know that people weren't deceived by something else? Or that God didn't misrepresent Himself to sound better than he actually was? I think I'm getting across what I'm trying to say. If not, let me know and I'll try again. Well then the whole bible would be a lie, if that is the case it would be in vain that anyone has done anything, however that is up to belief correct? But the thing is if it were a lie, it would eventually go away. Anyways if Jesus were on the earth like he said, and he was a liar what attracted his disciples and apostles to make such claims about his life only to be put to death? On another note I have this. Quote: The Bible does indeed contain all truth, so that it could fulfill the following expectation: (2 Timothy 3:16-17) ". . .All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." That does not mean that when it quotes accounts by liars, such as Satan, Jezebel, the Pharisees, and other misrepresentatives, that it agrees with them, but it records tha actual truths of the situations involved! Also, if the bible is read out of context, of course you could find so-called errors in it. Like that dumb website below that the last person posted. At any rate I can't make anyone believe everything or anything, I know for certain it is true because of the verse above. So what makes Christianity superior to any other faith? You just said that it basically comes down to faith. I don't understand why Christianity is superior to other faiths. There are a lot of faiths that claim to be the one true way. I'm not bashing on Christianity at all, but when someone tries to proselytize me I need to know why their way is superior to the perfectly good faith system I have already. Well Christians (Not the religion, but those who follow Jesus and are saved by him) don't, Can't, couldn't, and never will work their ways to heaven. No one can do anything to get to salvation. Other religions describe being good as doing good, simply do better then you're doing. A lot of those religions don't even promise salvation. Jesus said this, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." Jesus isn't simply a way. He IS the way. I haven't really been presented with anything that convinces me that Christianity is superior to any other path. I just don't think it's for me. Thanks for taking the time to have this discussion with me. Well what is it you're really looking for that you think you can find elsewhere? confused The thing is no matter what is said, it is up to you whether to believe it. All the other religions in this world will tell you is to be a good person, do better then you're already doing...give a little more; now none of those are bad things to do, it probably helps a bit to be kind and help others, but none of those solve the problem of us already being bad. I enjoyed our conversation as well, but I hope you think over what we've been talking about in this thread, and what has been said to others I've talked to already. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:55 pm
Silent Harry Mason Obscurus Silent Harry Mason Obscurus Silent Harry Mason Well then the whole bible would be a lie, if that is the case it would be in vain that anyone has done anything, however that is up to belief correct? But the thing is if it were a lie, it would eventually go away. Anyways if Jesus were on the earth like he said, and he was a liar what attracted his disciples and apostles to make such claims about his life only to be put to death? On another note I have this. Also, if the bible is read out of context, of course you could find so-called errors in it. Like that dumb website below that the last person posted. At any rate I can't make anyone believe everything or anything, I know for certain it is true because of the verse above. So what makes Christianity superior to any other faith? You just said that it basically comes down to faith. I don't understand why Christianity is superior to other faiths. There are a lot of faiths that claim to be the one true way. I'm not bashing on Christianity at all, but when someone tries to proselytize me I need to know why their way is superior to the perfectly good faith system I have already. Well Christians (Not the religion, but those who follow Jesus and are saved by him) don't, Can't, couldn't, and never will work their ways to heaven. No one can do anything to get to salvation. Other religions describe being good as doing good, simply do better then you're doing. A lot of those religions don't even promise salvation. Jesus said this, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." Jesus isn't simply a way. He IS the way. I haven't really been presented with anything that convinces me that Christianity is superior to any other path. I just don't think it's for me. Thanks for taking the time to have this discussion with me. Well what is it you're really looking for that you think you can find elsewhere? confused The thing is no matter what is said, it is up to you whether to believe it. All the other religions in this world will tell you is to be a good person, do better then you're already doing...give a little more; now none of those are bad things to do, it probably helps a bit to be kind and help others, but none of those solve the problem of us already being bad. I enjoyed our conversation as well, but I hope you think over what we've been talking about in this thread, and what has been said to others I've talked to already. 3nodding I'm not sure we'd have a very productive discussion if we let it turn to what I want out of spiritual pursuits. It probably differs wildly from what you expect from spiritual pursuits so I'll just agree to peaceably depart. xd
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:00 pm
Obscurus Silent Harry Mason Obscurus Silent Harry Mason Obscurus Silent Harry Mason Well then the whole bible would be a lie, if that is the case it would be in vain that anyone has done anything, however that is up to belief correct? But the thing is if it were a lie, it would eventually go away. Anyways if Jesus were on the earth like he said, and he was a liar what attracted his disciples and apostles to make such claims about his life only to be put to death? On another note I have this. Also, if the bible is read out of context, of course you could find so-called errors in it. Like that dumb website below that the last person posted. At any rate I can't make anyone believe everything or anything, I know for certain it is true because of the verse above. So what makes Christianity superior to any other faith? You just said that it basically comes down to faith. I don't understand why Christianity is superior to other faiths. There are a lot of faiths that claim to be the one true way. I'm not bashing on Christianity at all, but when someone tries to proselytize me I need to know why their way is superior to the perfectly good faith system I have already. Well Christians (Not the religion, but those who follow Jesus and are saved by him) don't, Can't, couldn't, and never will work their ways to heaven. No one can do anything to get to salvation. Other religions describe being good as doing good, simply do better then you're doing. A lot of those religions don't even promise salvation. Jesus said this, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." Jesus isn't simply a way. He IS the way. I haven't really been presented with anything that convinces me that Christianity is superior to any other path. I just don't think it's for me. Thanks for taking the time to have this discussion with me. Well what is it you're really looking for that you think you can find elsewhere? confused The thing is no matter what is said, it is up to you whether to believe it. All the other religions in this world will tell you is to be a good person, do better then you're already doing...give a little more; now none of those are bad things to do, it probably helps a bit to be kind and help others, but none of those solve the problem of us already being bad. I enjoyed our conversation as well, but I hope you think over what we've been talking about in this thread, and what has been said to others I've talked to already. 3nodding Well regardless it's up to you. Glad we could have that chat. 3nodding I'm not sure we'd have a very productive discussion if we let it turn to what I want out of spiritual pursuits. It probably differs wildly from what you expect from spiritual pursuits so I'll just agree to peaceably depart. xd
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:20 pm
Silent Harry Mason however those who accept him before the Rapture of the Church, before the Antichrist even comes on the scene will be caught away such as what Paul said, Would the people who accepted him massively dissapear,just like in the last paragraph?
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:27 am
Lost Musical Meanings Silent Harry Mason however those who accept him before the Rapture of the Church, before the Antichrist even comes on the scene will be caught away such as what Paul said, Would the people who accepted him massively dissapear,just like in the last paragraph? They would when the Jesus comes back. I'm not sure how you meant that. Instantly or when it occurs? If you want the answer to instantly well I'm right here. Anyways sorry for this basically anciently late reply, I didn't know anyone else did.
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:56 am
Official Sasuke Uchiha Obscurus Can you explain to me why Christianity is any more valid than any other world religion that has come before or since? Because it says so in the bible and the bible was written by god? Or maybe the voices in their heads tell them so? GOD HIMSELF DIDNT WRITE THE BIBLE. IF HE WROTE IT, WHY WOULD IT BE IN ENGLISH? THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE WHO WROTE THESE BOOKS WERE JEW/ROMANS. PLUS, IF GOD WROTE IT ALL THOSE STORIES WOULDNT BE TRUE AND THERE WOULD BE NO "OLD AND NEW" TESTAMENT. WHITE PEOPLE AKA PROTESTANTS AND CATHOLICS HAVE SECRETLY RE-WROTE THE BOOK AND MISINTERPRETED IT TO ITS FOLLOWERS ON PURPOSE. ALL THESE BOOKS ARENT THE ORIGINAL TEXT.
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:33 pm
Obscurus Can you explain to me why Christianity is any more valid than any other world religion that has come before or since? because it resembles pure land buddhism without having to be annihilated or having to have hundreds and thousands of shitty lives before you get to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Contemporary Christianity says good people get to be Colonel Nelson in I dream of Jeanie, while bad people who get away with bullshit get punked. That's not unlike many eastern religions, except it only requires one incarnation. I've actually seen some Christian themed movies where reincarnation or other second chance theories kicked in. Jews don't even have an afterlife, makes me wonder why anyone would bother being a Jew - I mean, if you aren't being zapped by instant death anymore like Onan for using a condemn or eating a shrimp salad, I don't know why you don't end up like Soros, or some other evil emperor overlord.
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:03 pm
Michael Noire Obscurus Can you explain to me why Christianity is any more valid than any other world religion that has come before or since? because it resembles pure land buddhism without having to be annihilated or having to have hundreds and thousands of shitty lives before you get to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Contemporary Christianity says good people get to be Colonel Nelson in I dream of Jeanie, while bad people who get away with bullshit get punked. That's not unlike many eastern religions, except it only requires one incarnation. I've actually seen some Christian themed movies where reincarnation or other second chance theories kicked in. Jews don't even have an afterlife, makes me wonder why anyone would bother being a Jew - I mean, if you aren't being zapped by instant death anymore like Onan for using a condemn or eating a shrimp salad, I don't know why you don't end up like Soros, or some other evil emperor overlord. What? Are you saying that because the story is more appealing that the belief system is more valid?
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:25 am
Obscurus Michael Noire Obscurus Can you explain to me why Christianity is any more valid than any other world religion that has come before or since? because it resembles pure land buddhism without having to be annihilated or having to have hundreds and thousands of shitty lives before you get to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Contemporary Christianity says good people get to be Colonel Nelson in I dream of Jeanie, while bad people who get away with bullshit get punked. That's not unlike many eastern religions, except it only requires one incarnation. I've actually seen some Christian themed movies where reincarnation or other second chance theories kicked in. Jews don't even have an afterlife, makes me wonder why anyone would bother being a Jew - I mean, if you aren't being zapped by instant death anymore like Onan for using a condemn or eating a shrimp salad, I don't know why you don't end up like Soros, or some other evil emperor overlord. What? Are you saying that because the story is more appealing that the belief system is more valid? in more ways than one. in ways not so much: there is an actual belief system out there, somewhere that is 100% truth. What that is? I don't know. I do know this, however, no system endorsed by any group is the true one, because whatever that one might be, it would have all the correct answers and thus the capacity to change the world unerringly. Instead, we have a bunch of beliefs and among those beliefs we begin with the premise that not one is more true than any other, for all are false. Given all are false, the most appealing religion is the best, for everything else is nonsense. I'm not saying Christianity is most appealing. I am saying it is an example religion more appealing than many others. Some religions require cultural habits or minimum physical or intellectual standards to really appreciate. For example, in some religions, having a physical disability prevents someone from joining in ceremonies - i.e. Torah loyal Jews and various interpretations of fascism, Spartans, and Vikings.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:23 pm
Michael Noire Obscurus Michael Noire Obscurus Can you explain to me why Christianity is any more valid than any other world religion that has come before or since? because it resembles pure land buddhism without having to be annihilated or having to have hundreds and thousands of shitty lives before you get to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Contemporary Christianity says good people get to be Colonel Nelson in I dream of Jeanie, while bad people who get away with bullshit get punked. That's not unlike many eastern religions, except it only requires one incarnation. I've actually seen some Christian themed movies where reincarnation or other second chance theories kicked in. Jews don't even have an afterlife, makes me wonder why anyone would bother being a Jew - I mean, if you aren't being zapped by instant death anymore like Onan for using a condemn or eating a shrimp salad, I don't know why you don't end up like Soros, or some other evil emperor overlord. What? Are you saying that because the story is more appealing that the belief system is more valid? in more ways than one. in ways not so much: there is an actual belief system out there, somewhere that is 100% truth. What that is? I don't know. I do know this, however, no system endorsed by any group is the true one, because whatever that one might be, it would have all the correct answers and thus the capacity to change the world unerringly. Instead, we have a bunch of beliefs and among those beliefs we begin with the premise that not one is more true than any other, for all are false. Given all are false, the most appealing religion is the best, for everything else is nonsense. I'm not saying Christianity is most appealing. I am saying it is an example religion more appealing than many others. Some religions require cultural habits or minimum physical or intellectual standards to really appreciate. For example, in some religions, having a physical disability prevents someone from joining in ceremonies - i.e. Torah loyal Jews and various interpretations of fascism, Spartans, and Vikings. I think I get what you're trying to say.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:15 pm
Q Loc-xMOBx Official Sasuke Uchiha Obscurus Can you explain to me why Christianity is any more valid than any other world religion that has come before or since? Because it says so in the bible and the bible was written by god? Or maybe the voices in their heads tell them so? GOD HIMSELF DIDNT WRITE THE BIBLE. IF HE WROTE IT, WHY WOULD IT BE IN ENGLISH? THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE WHO WROTE THESE BOOKS WERE JEW/ROMANS. PLUS, IF GOD WROTE IT ALL THOSE STORIES WOULDNT BE TRUE AND THERE WOULD BE NO "OLD AND NEW" TESTAMENT. WHITE PEOPLE AKA PROTESTANTS AND CATHOLICS HAVE SECRETLY RE-WROTE THE BOOK AND MISINTERPRETED IT TO ITS FOLLOWERS ON PURPOSE. ALL THESE BOOKS ARENT THE ORIGINAL TEXT. I know god did not write the bible however alot of misinformed retards who call themselves christian actually claim he did... And I know that the bible has been edited since it's inseption to suit the person who made the edits, this was usually to control people with their blind faith Racist.
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:53 am
Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason Well why can't simple people write anything true huh? They can, but even professors who have studied science for 60 years require evidence for their thesis. Silent Harry Mason This book isn't simple writings, you realize there is a biblical coding within the torah? The first five books of the old testament, they have found names, dates, and times for many things within it. People have given dates that say things such as an assassination that occurred. http://www.muphin.net/biblecode/08.htm You do realize that prophecies are a hoax, right? I gave you the link on that. 1. There are several mundane ways in which a prediction of the future can be fulfilled: 1. Retrodiction. The "prophecy" can be written or modified after the events fulfilling it have already occurred. 2. Vagueness. The prophecy can be worded in such a way that people can interpret any outcome as a fulfillment. Nostradomus's prophecies are all of this type. Vagueness works particularly well when people are religiously motivated to believe the prophecies. 3. Inevitability. The prophecy can predict something that is almost sure to happen, such as the collapse of a city. Since nothing lasts forever, the city is sure to fall someday. If it has not, it can be said that according to prophecy, it will. 4. Denial. One can claim that the fulfilling events occurred even if they have not. Or, more commonly, one can forget that the prophecy was ever made. 5. Self-fulfillment. A person can act deliberately to satisfy a known prophecy. There are no prophecies in the Bible that cannot easily fit into one or more of those categories. 2. In biblical times, prophecies were not simply predictions. They were warnings of what could or would happen if things did not change. They were meant to influence people's behavior. If the people heeded the prophecy, the events would not come to pass; Jonah 3 gives an example. A fulfilled prophecy was a failed prophecy, because it meant people did not heed the warning. 3. The Bible also contains failed prophecies, in the sense that things God said would happen did not (Skeptic's Annotated Bible n.d.). For example: * Joshua said that God would, without fail, drive out the Jebusites and Canaanites, among others (Josh. 3:9-10). But those tribes were not driven out (Josh. 15:63, 17:12-13). * Ezekiel said Egypt would be made an uninhabited wasteland for forty years (29:10-14), and Nebuchadrezzar would plunder it (29:19-20). Neither happened. 4. Other religions claim many fulfilled prophecies, too (Prophecy Fulfilled n.d.). 5. Divinity is not shown by miracles. The Bible itself says true prophecies may come elsewhere than from God (Deut. 13:1-3), as may other miracles (Exod. 7:22, Matt. 4: cool . Some people say that to focus on proofs is to miss the whole point of faith (John 20:29). Silent Harry Mason How could people back then know about those things Hmmm...? confused And before the thing about someone could have gone back and edited it would be nonsense You are right. That would be nonesense, but look at the above statement. Silent Harry Mason You seem to hate the bible as being told to be true, but there has to be more. Why would you hate it because it was written by simple folk? No. I don't hate the bible, I hate your retarded statement surrounding it. The Bible have influenced more people than your sorry a** ever would. It's just that you claim it's 100% true, I disagree. Silent Harry Mason If it said that the emperor of rome wrote it, or the ruler of some other nation would that change your view? No Silent Harry Mason God doesn't choose mighty people, or strong people to get his job done, he uses those who are despised to confound the so-called wise. He uses those who are considered lowly. EX: David and Goliath. It's funny that you have a claim as to what God does when you rely on the Bible. No it can't be modified in this case, or a code THROUGHOUT ALL FIVE BOOKS WOULDN'T SHOW. And the bible isn't saying I predict people will drop a potato. What odds would it be to say that someone would be beaten for his people? Since it is in the dead sea scrolls how did anyone get a hold of them to modify them? What makes them a hoax? Opinion? As a matter a fact you've mention the skeptic bible again which I've already proved several things that they have misenterpreted and why the heck would the Illuminati be willing to fulfill the New World Order to bring about a prophecy from a book that they hate? The U.S. Government wouldn't be taking Christian stuff out if they didn't hate it, and Obama is involved with some of this as well. All of the prophecies in the bible break out of all the stuff you just wrote. Just because you look at someone's opinion makes them right right? So you automatically hate it because Atheists disagree and don't want God to be real because of what is written in the bible right? You failed to answer my question on why you deny the bible, nobody edited it, or it would all be out of balance. And the out of balances that the Skeptic bible showed was nothing more then God insults, and misinterpretations that misunderstood what they meant. You're still saying the same thing but fail to literally show any of it. Sodom and Gomorrah are actually found to have mass traits of sulfur and other chemicals, Noah's arc have been said to have been found, everything is lining up with the book of revelation according to every account, and God is coming soon. Believe what you want, believe lies of people who think they understand things, but there are a lot of atheists that have seen hell and came back believing what they saw. http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/u/14/w-v1Fppjlvc http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/1/OnVhKH2C1Jw http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/5/YU7q4HSnm24 http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/0/p_uIQP3nD58 http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/9/LY4eduFR0mI http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/10/JlA0XDgFpwg http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/5/O-3bDwaI9w0 EACH of these people were Atheists before they saw hell. The process of a chemical experience is also invalid because each of them go into so much detail. Including this: http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/0/5HbtoX3Q5OI I find it funny how you keep changing goal posts. How is it that level of detail means that it's divine? our brains are amazing processors with wonderful videocards. I already answered why I deny the Bible. It's the same reason why I deny the Qu'ran, Torah, Viddec, Dianetics and the Book of Mormon. No proof of any higher power and it has been proven that we evolved into humans. Not born from 2 of them 6000 years ago. The preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. Why are you here if you don't want to be convinced? To troll? To convert me to the atheist mindset? What have you even said so far that even could contend to what I said? You didn't explain why those people saw that. cool You realize those videos are just some famous examples of what millions are experiencing daily right? It is funny after hearing those atheists speak about what they saw can't convince you, in fact it is funny that you try to prove he is not there and not even respond to my comment on Sodom or Gomorrah or how scientists have seen the ark on multiple occasions, then again how do you explain the boat getting up there regardless of whether it is Noah's ark or not considering there are parts of it that are still in one piece. In fact it took you several hours to reply to that. Well I don't really want you to answer that because you can't. But let me leave you with this. If you are right when we die, then we will simply just not exist anymore. If I'm right however, take into mind that I accepted Jesus because he saved me, and that you would be seeing hell, and that would suck because you missed it all if that were true. I'm not saying this as a "Your going to burn in hell for not believing sort of thing" It isn't by anything we can do, even if one believes by intelligence it isn't enough. God has to do it. I'm trying to say, where will you be in ten years, fifty years, eighty years, Heaven and Hell are real, and only those who actually accept him will go there. I don't care how you respond, because I'm not claiming I'm better, I deserve hell, we all deserve to be swept there right now. It doesn't matter what I say, because you reject the obvious truth of the bible. And no offense to Islam, or any other doctrine including the book of Mormon, but Jesus is the only way. You're assuming I'm an Atheist. I'm not, but you can feel free to guess again. Of course like a hypocrite, you take offense to me telling you that Genesis is bullshit and yet you say that Every other religion is wrong. Now is there a god? A heaven? A right way of life? We really don't know, but what we do know is that the Earth is 3 billion years old and that life as we know it evolved from the first cells to life. as we know it including us. Human evolution being the most studied out of all of it. We also know that the earth has no been flooded to the highest peak in over a billion years and that the number of different species of dun beetles alone would not fit in the ark. That isn't bias, that's scientific discovery.
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:18 pm
God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton They can, but even professors who have studied science for 60 years require evidence for their thesis. You do realize that prophecies are a hoax, right? I gave you the link on that. 1. There are several mundane ways in which a prediction of the future can be fulfilled: 1. Retrodiction. The "prophecy" can be written or modified after the events fulfilling it have already occurred. 2. Vagueness. The prophecy can be worded in such a way that people can interpret any outcome as a fulfillment. Nostradomus's prophecies are all of this type. Vagueness works particularly well when people are religiously motivated to believe the prophecies. 3. Inevitability. The prophecy can predict something that is almost sure to happen, such as the collapse of a city. Since nothing lasts forever, the city is sure to fall someday. If it has not, it can be said that according to prophecy, it will. 4. Denial. One can claim that the fulfilling events occurred even if they have not. Or, more commonly, one can forget that the prophecy was ever made. 5. Self-fulfillment. A person can act deliberately to satisfy a known prophecy. There are no prophecies in the Bible that cannot easily fit into one or more of those categories. 2. In biblical times, prophecies were not simply predictions. They were warnings of what could or would happen if things did not change. They were meant to influence people's behavior. If the people heeded the prophecy, the events would not come to pass; Jonah 3 gives an example. A fulfilled prophecy was a failed prophecy, because it meant people did not heed the warning. 3. The Bible also contains failed prophecies, in the sense that things God said would happen did not (Skeptic's Annotated Bible n.d.). For example: * Joshua said that God would, without fail, drive out the Jebusites and Canaanites, among others (Josh. 3:9-10). But those tribes were not driven out (Josh. 15:63, 17:12-13). * Ezekiel said Egypt would be made an uninhabited wasteland for forty years (29:10-14), and Nebuchadrezzar would plunder it (29:19-20). Neither happened. 4. Other religions claim many fulfilled prophecies, too (Prophecy Fulfilled n.d.). 5. Divinity is not shown by miracles. The Bible itself says true prophecies may come elsewhere than from God (Deut. 13:1-3), as may other miracles (Exod. 7:22, Matt. 4: cool . Some people say that to focus on proofs is to miss the whole point of faith (John 20:29). You are right. That would be nonesense, but look at the above statement. No. I don't hate the bible, I hate your retarded statement surrounding it. The Bible have influenced more people than your sorry a** ever would. It's just that you claim it's 100% true, I disagree. No It's funny that you have a claim as to what God does when you rely on the Bible. No it can't be modified in this case, or a code THROUGHOUT ALL FIVE BOOKS WOULDN'T SHOW. And the bible isn't saying I predict people will drop a potato. What odds would it be to say that someone would be beaten for his people? Since it is in the dead sea scrolls how did anyone get a hold of them to modify them? What makes them a hoax? Opinion? As a matter a fact you've mention the skeptic bible again which I've already proved several things that they have misenterpreted and why the heck would the Illuminati be willing to fulfill the New World Order to bring about a prophecy from a book that they hate? The U.S. Government wouldn't be taking Christian stuff out if they didn't hate it, and Obama is involved with some of this as well. All of the prophecies in the bible break out of all the stuff you just wrote. Just because you look at someone's opinion makes them right right? So you automatically hate it because Atheists disagree and don't want God to be real because of what is written in the bible right? You failed to answer my question on why you deny the bible, nobody edited it, or it would all be out of balance. And the out of balances that the Skeptic bible showed was nothing more then God insults, and misinterpretations that misunderstood what they meant. You're still saying the same thing but fail to literally show any of it. Sodom and Gomorrah are actually found to have mass traits of sulfur and other chemicals, Noah's arc have been said to have been found, everything is lining up with the book of revelation according to every account, and God is coming soon. Believe what you want, believe lies of people who think they understand things, but there are a lot of atheists that have seen hell and came back believing what they saw. http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/u/14/w-v1Fppjlvc http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/1/OnVhKH2C1Jw http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/5/YU7q4HSnm24 http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/0/p_uIQP3nD58 http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/9/LY4eduFR0mI http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/10/JlA0XDgFpwg http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/5/O-3bDwaI9w0 EACH of these people were Atheists before they saw hell. The process of a chemical experience is also invalid because each of them go into so much detail. Including this: http://www.youtube.com/user/XtremeRealityCheck#p/search/0/5HbtoX3Q5OI I find it funny how you keep changing goal posts. How is it that level of detail means that it's divine? our brains are amazing processors with wonderful videocards. I already answered why I deny the Bible. It's the same reason why I deny the Qu'ran, Torah, Viddec, Dianetics and the Book of Mormon. No proof of any higher power and it has been proven that we evolved into humans. Not born from 2 of them 6000 years ago. The preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. Why are you here if you don't want to be convinced? To troll? To convert me to the atheist mindset? What have you even said so far that even could contend to what I said? You didn't explain why those people saw that. cool You realize those videos are just some famous examples of what millions are experiencing daily right? It is funny after hearing those atheists speak about what they saw can't convince you, in fact it is funny that you try to prove he is not there and not even respond to my comment on Sodom or Gomorrah or how scientists have seen the ark on multiple occasions, then again how do you explain the boat getting up there regardless of whether it is Noah's ark or not considering there are parts of it that are still in one piece. In fact it took you several hours to reply to that. Well I don't really want you to answer that because you can't. But let me leave you with this. If you are right when we die, then we will simply just not exist anymore. If I'm right however, take into mind that I accepted Jesus because he saved me, and that you would be seeing hell, and that would suck because you missed it all if that were true. I'm not saying this as a "Your going to burn in hell for not believing sort of thing" It isn't by anything we can do, even if one believes by intelligence it isn't enough. God has to do it. I'm trying to say, where will you be in ten years, fifty years, eighty years, Heaven and Hell are real, and only those who actually accept him will go there. I don't care how you respond, because I'm not claiming I'm better, I deserve hell, we all deserve to be swept there right now. It doesn't matter what I say, because you reject the obvious truth of the bible. And no offense to Islam, or any other doctrine including the book of Mormon, but Jesus is the only way. You're assuming I'm an Atheist. I'm not, but you can feel free to guess again. Of course like a hypocrite, you take offense to me telling you that Genesis is bullshit and yet you say that Every other religion is wrong. Now is there a god? A heaven? A right way of life? We really don't know, but what we do know is that the Earth is 3 billion years old and that life as we know it evolved from the first cells to life. as we know it including us. Human evolution being the most studied out of all of it. We also know that the earth has no been flooded to the highest peak in over a billion years and that the number of different species of dun beetles alone would not fit in the ark. That isn't bias, that's scientific discovery. I see so you believe in something, as a matter of fact what your trying to do is lecture my beliefs on why they can't be right correct? Well the thing is, you may have your beliefs, maybe they are different then mine, but that isn't the point of this thread. Maybe I didn't get my point across as well as I tried to. What I said is that there is NO other way but through Jesus. Maybe you don't believe everything I believe, I'm not saying here that you have to believe everything. However the thing is I told you why you had that wrong, who are you to say that everything scientifically was the way you say it is unless you were there? What I was trying to say is that while I can give you evidence, EX: The Ark on the mount, the ribbon on the remaining wall of Jericho, the levels of volcanic ingredients around Sodom and Gomorrah, and all that, your simply not going to believe it right? So why are you actually here if you don't want to be convinced? Why call me a hypocrite simply because I don't agree with you? Did I say that YOU have to believe what I believe? Or are you simply attacking me because you Hate the idea of there being one way to God, or that the bible is true? And another thing, you WILL NOT find anything about Jesus or God that is different because you simply go about this scientifically, if you have any desire to know him, you'd open yourself up to him. Just because you say the things you say, doesn't make your statement more true then mine. I laugh at how any of you try to prove why it can't be, when you can simply look at this guild and don't see that we're living in the end times, the world turmoils have really picked up, truly you can't deny that the increase in disaster, war, chaos, and other things on such a scale can just be a coincidence can you? Maybe you claim to believe in God, but the thing is there is only one right way. I don't care what evidence you try to throw out at me to disprove me, you aren't doing anything that makes you look any better. It is funny how something can offend you so much that you have to swing the word 'hypocrite' around as soon as possible, I laugh. Here is your only proof, if you open yourself up to him, give him a chance, he'll make himself known. It doesn't matter if you believe in another God, or simply know about Jesus, that isn't enough, you need to know him. Whether you choose to do so is up to you, just know that one day whatever choice you've made whether to trust Jesus, or to deny him, that is up to you. I'm not calling you an atheist, but what you do with Jesus is what matters. I don't care what you think about me saying that, because that is your choice. And don't think that I'm trying to be judgmental towards you; I say this with all the respect in me.
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:28 pm
Official Sasuke Uchiha Q Loc-xMOBx Official Sasuke Uchiha Obscurus Can you explain to me why Christianity is any more valid than any other world religion that has come before or since? Because it says so in the bible and the bible was written by god? Or maybe the voices in their heads tell them so? GOD HIMSELF DIDNT WRITE THE BIBLE. IF HE WROTE IT, WHY WOULD IT BE IN ENGLISH? THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE WHO WROTE THESE BOOKS WERE JEW/ROMANS. PLUS, IF GOD WROTE IT ALL THOSE STORIES WOULDNT BE TRUE AND THERE WOULD BE NO "OLD AND NEW" TESTAMENT. WHITE PEOPLE AKA PROTESTANTS AND CATHOLICS HAVE SECRETLY RE-WROTE THE BOOK AND MISINTERPRETED IT TO ITS FOLLOWERS ON PURPOSE. ALL THESE BOOKS ARENT THE ORIGINAL TEXT. I know god did not write the bible however alot of misinformed retards who call themselves christian actually claim he did... And I know that the bible has been edited since it's inseption to suit the person who made the edits, this was usually to control people with their blind faith Racist. It's funny how you call a lot of people retarded who may or may not be Christians. You know, here is how it is, accept it or not, this is how it is. The bible was written by inspiration by the people God used to write it. That isn't to say there isn't corruption in some areas of things, an example of that would be how the Book of Mormon misinterprets the meanings of verses in the Bible, or how certain Catholic Bibles have the meanings of things screwed up in the beginning of them, like the picture of Baptism of being the means to salvation. However that is a different story, and I believe the bible because I know who God is now. Whether you accept him or not is your own personal decision, and I have no way to stop your doubts or denial of the Bible, Jesus, God in general, or any kind of spirituality. Whether you believe or not is your choice, your not proving anything by saying that God can't exist, it's a fact that he does.
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