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 Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:52 pm
Esiris PersianPapiiChulo Thank you to all of you guys for being cool enough to a) not attack me when I do word things the wrong way and such and b) politely calling me on it so I know it's an issue. You weren't being malicious, so there's no reason to be mean to you. wink Just to give you an idea about why I was looking at your posts funny, until Sang stepped in they focused on Man + Woman alone. I'm neither a man nor a woman, I'm attracted to them as well as some other alternate genders and I fall in love with more than one person at the same time. ninja See, except that I'm pretty firmly a woman, all the rest of that applies to me as well. I don't think you can read the journal I referred to yet, since I think it's set to friends (working on it xp ), but it's about such a situation. Currently, I'm in two separate, serious relationships. One with a man, the other with a woman. They get along quite well with each other and it's generally amazing.
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:58 pm
Hmm....I think I would say...I just ironed out a piece of my overall beliefs pretty concretely. Love is important, is for me but not others necesarrily between two people a man and a woman and in such both people play certain roles to help themselves and their partner. And if it is between many people each contributes something to the overall relationship. Holy s**t. That feels really good to be able to state so clearly. XD
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:34 pm
PersianPapiiChulo Hmm....I think I would say...I just ironed out a piece of my overall beliefs pretty concretely. Love is important, is for me but not others necesarrily between two people a man and a woman and in such both people play certain roles to help themselves and their partner. And if it is between many people each contributes something to the overall relationship. Holy s**t. That feels really good to be able to state so clearly. XD Congratulations. There's a really good article in the NY Times a while back about what makes a healthy mutual relationship. I can find the link again if you'd like. CalledTheRaven>> When I was younger the dysphoria was a lot easier to deal with. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:52 pm
Would anyone be up for making a thread to discuss some of the gender ideas we've got going here? I feel like we're hijacking Papii's thread a bit but I'd be up for continuing the conversation.
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:25 am
@Esiris-Thanks!
@Raven-I would like that. XD But also to kinda watch you guys talk about it and such.
After coming to that nice little conclusion I realize while Love is important and very much something central to me...religiously it's irrelevant. My religion should not be telling me how to love someone. So if it does I am likely gonna have an issue with that.
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:45 am
PersianPapiiChulo After coming to that nice little conclusion I realize while Love is important and very much something central to me...religiously it's irrelevant. My religion should not be telling me how to love someone. So if it does I am likely gonna have an issue with that. Congratulations! biggrin Not that that helps you really find a religion that works, but y'know wink You sound like you've worked that through to its conclusion and you're happy with it.
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:59 am
Sanguina Cruenta PersianPapiiChulo After coming to that nice little conclusion I realize while Love is important and very much something central to me...religiously it's irrelevant. My religion should not be telling me how to love someone. So if it does I am likely gonna have an issue with that. Congratulations! biggrin Not that that helps you really find a religion that works, but y'know wink You sound like you've worked that through to its conclusion and you're happy with it. Indeed. I am happy with it. And in sorta way it does. It narrows down the field to those religions that are very open on Love. Which is most but its a start. XD
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:25 am
Mm. A while back Sang you mentioned Theistic forms of Buddhism. Well I have been playing around with the idea, not doing research because I have yet to have time, but I came to two questions. One could Buddhism be combined with Religious Witchcraft or would that just not work? Two, would one be able to be a Buddhist Heathen? Both question are kinda more outta curiosity than anything.
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:27 am
Not exactly. A lot of religions basically leave love up to you. Just because many are open about love doesn't mean they're forcing that onto you. You can love who you want, or not. I know it doesn't narrow things down a whole lot but it's still a big thing to have figured out about yourself.
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:30 am
PersianPapiiChulo Mm. A while back Sang you mentioned Theistic forms of Buddhism. Well I have been playing around with the idea, not doing research because I have yet to have time, but I came to two questions. One could Buddhism be combined with Religious Witchcraft or would that just not work? Two, would one be able to be a Buddhist Heathen? Both question are kinda more outta curiosity than anything. I don't know enough about Buddhism to make any solid statements. But from what I know, Buddhism and Heathenry are very incompatible. Buddhism is pretty big on pacifism, Heathenry is not really a pacifism fan. Buddhism focuses on reducing karma so the cycle of reincarnation can be stopped and one can achieve nirvana. Heathenry focuses on the present life more than an ultimate goal, and reincarnation, while technically possible, does not feature largely at all. I don't know about religious witchcraft. You'd have to ask a Buddhist. What is it about Buddhism that appeals?
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:39 am
Sanguina Cruenta PersianPapiiChulo Mm. A while back Sang you mentioned Theistic forms of Buddhism. Well I have been playing around with the idea, not doing research because I have yet to have time, but I came to two questions. One could Buddhism be combined with Religious Witchcraft or would that just not work? Two, would one be able to be a Buddhist Heathen? Both question are kinda more outta curiosity than anything. I don't know enough about Buddhism to make any solid statements. But from what I know, Buddhism and Heathenry are very incompatible. Buddhism is pretty big on pacifism, Heathenry is not really a pacifism fan. Buddhism focuses on reducing karma so the cycle of reincarnation can be stopped and one can achieve nirvana. Heathenry focuses on the present life more than an ultimate goal, and reincarnation, while technically possible, does not feature largely at all. I don't know about religious witchcraft. You'd have to ask a Buddhist. What is it about Buddhism that appeals? That's what I thought. I kinda didnt think Heathenery would mesh with it but had to ask. Curiosity and all. Apparently, there is a Buddhist temple near me so perhaps I could ask them but I think I might try online first. I have always kinda just been interested in Buddhism. The dedication of it's monks is pretty friggin awesome, not to mention that they sorta religiously practice a martial art, another interest of mine outside religion, so I have just had that interest. As I learned more about it, the idea of the Eightfold Path, and not getting attached and the intense mental exercises like Meditation and Chanting and such is just highly intriguing. How do they do it? What's it like? Etc. Also the Buddha himself intrigues me. He did it on his on. He found Enlightenment. And pretty much all of the forms of it Theistic or not require you to find your Enlightenment, you dont need to be a monk or even interact with monks to do so in most of them. And even if you do the burden of the work is on you.
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:41 am
CalledTheRaven Not exactly. A lot of religions basically leave love up to you. Just because many are open about love doesn't mean they're forcing that onto you. You can love who you want, or not. I know it doesn't narrow things down a whole lot but it's still a big thing to have figured out about yourself. True. Thanks. Knowing it makes me smile actually.
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:44 am
PersianPapiiChulo My religion should not be telling me how to love someone. Works for Christians. ninja PersianPapiiChulo One could Buddhism be combined with Religious Witchcraft or would that just not work? Two, would one be able to be a Buddhist Heathen? Both question are kinda more outta curiosity than anything. Riri's 2cents is that they both can be combined, but you end up not being a very good Buddhist. I was having a conversation that included Buddhism and some of the main things in it work on ideas that are mostly 180* from what a lot of Witchcraft is about. I think it's hard to say you really follow things like the 4 Noble Truths when you're trying to use magic to get stuff you want in your life.
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:49 am
Esiris PersianPapiiChulo My religion should not be telling me how to love someone. Works for Christians. ninja PersianPapiiChulo One could Buddhism be combined with Religious Witchcraft or would that just not work? Two, would one be able to be a Buddhist Heathen? Both question are kinda more outta curiosity than anything. Riri's 2cents is that they both can be combined, but you end up not being a very good Buddhist. I was having a conversation that included Buddhism and some of the main things in it work on ideas that are mostly 180* from what a lot of Witchcraft is about. I think it's hard to say you really follow things like the 4 Noble Truths when you're trying to use magic to get stuff you want in your life. It does work for them. Not for me. Tis why I aint Christian. XD Mm. This makes very much sense Esiris. And Riri is you yes?
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:34 am
PersianPapiiChulo It does work for them. Not for me. Tis why I aint Christian. XD Mm. This makes very much sense Esiris. And Riri is you yes? Yep- I go by Riri for short.
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