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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:14 pm
Wyvernflames the Gilded The_Master_Wielder Actually, heading out Drinking with Kain would be pretty cool, methinks. Course, I'd need to be 21 first... *Does math homework.* Frickin precalc... *Grumble Grumble. Pencil breaks.* ........ Frickin precalc.
I dont actually actively drink. Just on special occasions because well my mom was Native American (Crow Tribe at that. We are warriors and thieves.) and the man who raised me, whom I call father, was full blooded Finnish.
Truly, Ratchet, you do have times where you are somewhat hard to understand, but oddly, I can usually understand what you're saying well enough. Oddly, I think it was being raised around family members who were somewhat... borderline illiterate at times >_> For an example: My brother once spelled "G-Unit"(yes, as in that G-Unit) "G'yonit" .... possibly a better example would be that my mom once yelled at me for misunderstanding her because I couldn't understand what she was spelling out loud... She was saying "ten each", but spelled it out loud as "tenach". The point is, that you just make minor errors, but not too horrible to figure out.
And also, to Darius and Nero: what you guys said did come off as more than a bit rude, speaking for one another, relayed or whatever. I should really speak up more on these kinds of things, and even though I may be a bit of a grammar/spelling nazi myself, I don't go as far as calling someone's opinion significant or shooting them down. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, and it isn't your job to keep people from having one. Sure, this is a sensitive topic, and I feel the same way, but I don't outright shoot someone down on a topic that I feel sensitive about, even if they have the wrong info, unless they're outright slandering the topic in question. He wasn't slandering, he was merely asking a QUESTION. There are so many times that I could have been a lot more rude about the comments of certain people on here, But I simply kept it to myself.
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:26 pm
*hand shoots up in the air as fast as possible with an excited look upon face* Ooo! Wielder! Pick me! ME! PICK ME! PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The_Master_Wielder Captain
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:32 pm
Ugh... Okay, Strifer. What is your question THIS time? *Sips special coffee.*
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...*remembers he doesn't drink coffee.*
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:37 pm
.... I don't have one. I just make it a habit of acting overly excited when someone around my age says "Questions?". Because in my head it comes out, "Now does anyone have any questions?" like a teacher says, but the teacher never gets any response.
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:43 pm
Darius Roslyn Ratchet: This discussion is about something you didn't experience, so your opinion on the matter is moot. Please, don't interrupt it again.
Sagi, the reason her plans didn't pan out the way she wanted them to is the Crew's fault, VC and Captain included, especially the Captain. Instead of utilizing that moment or panic and choas to recreate a lot of the League's structure, the higher-up's simply copied what they could and pasted it back into place. That's why the activity we saw then, dwindled. After the erase, I stepped in to try and finish the job for her. I failed, and so the League failed. But now, look at Gravite, which under my suggestion took a huge change in its purpose. We should have done that when the guild was good and empty, or, better yet, before Typo was pushed to do what she did.
Shortly before the erase, Typo had posted a HUGE, and I mean HUUUUUUUUGE (I've read it) thread opening that went through everything she felt was negative about the League and what she felt needed to be changed. A lot of what she spoke about there, we spoke about in Gravite. Now Sagi, you and I both know long posts are barely read in entirety. But from what she told me, from what I saw through her, Wielder was the only one who gave a reply to her post, and it was about a single issue out of the hundred. No one else gave a reply. No one else commented on Typo's effort. And everyone in power seems to forget everything she's done for us prior to the erase, and how she's been acting sense.
What I can't understand is why she's on trial alone. She and I, at the time, became practically equal partners in our plans to help the League, and it was apart of those plans (separate agendas, similar rewards). Just because she did the clicking, doesn't mean she was the only one behind it. The thread I made in Gravite should also testify to my involvement, and yet here I remain, unquestioned. Have I somehow proven my trustworthiness to the 'People' of the League? Was it my involvement in Gravite? Because she would have happily joined us there if she had been asked. Is it my 'Give 'em hell, get it done' attitude? Is it my love for the League? I adopted my passion and my focus from her, because she couldn't be here to do it herself, and I put it to use in every instance I could.
But whatever, I think you misunderstand, I don't forgive you either. I know you guys were working together, and so my mistrust includes you as well. I can't say all the things I'd like to, because some of them are just down right not nice. But you and Typo are the reasons that I dread coming back to the league everyday, and it is because of my resposibility, and because of Wielder, that I come back. Half the time I seriously consider leaving, it's stressful, and full of controversy and people you cannot trust. I have never been in a guild where the crew destroyed the guild because it was inactive. I'm sorry to say this but the level of activity in this guild has never been as important to me as the feeling of community, and yes family. The only reason Tyoo is on trial without you, is because she did the crime, and not to mention the fact that the trial seems to have been a stupid idea anyway >>. As to the old house analogy (I don't know if you made it or someone else did, I'm really tired right now, and don't want to re-read your post a second time ^^; ) I again, cannot agree with you. Yes, of course when you knock down an old building, and put up something new, it might be a better piece of archetecture. But you lose the building, nothing left of it is intact. You lose a historic landmark for the sake of a new strip mall. The mall will make more money, but it'll be like every other mall. If you really wanted to save the building you shouldn't have distroyed it, you should have polished it up. Fix the roof, paint the walls, and make it /as good as/ new. But it will still be the same old building that's been there for years, this is why Gravite was a good idea. Further more, you don't go and destroy someone's home while they are away on the weekend, and when they come back crying "what did you do to my home?" What do you tell them? What did you tell us? Don't worry, you'll like this one better? Sorry if I'm a bit rambly, again tired, hopefully my meaning came across though. Also on an unrelated side note, please be nicer to ratchet, you can offer constructive critisism without being mean.
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:45 pm
*Sings: The Minstrel boy to the war has gone, in the ranks of death you will fiiiind him. His father's sword he has girded on, and his wild harp slung behiiiiind him.*
Sorry, it's stuck in my head. Very good song.
The Minstrel boy to the war has gone,
In the ranks of death you will find him.
His father's sword he has girded on,
and his wild harp slung behind him.
"Land of Song," cried the Warrior Bard
"Though all the world betrays thee,
One sword, at least, thy right shall guard
One faithful heart shall praise thee."
The Minstrel fell, but the foeman's sword
Couldn't bring that proud soul under
The harp he loved never spoke again,
for he tore it's chords asunder
He said, "No chain shall sully thee
No strength shall taint your bravery.
Your songs were made by the young and free,
They shall never sound in slavery."
Minstrel Boy by Enter the Haggis.
EDIT: This was posted when Strifer's post was all that was up, and we were pretty un-serious. Just sayin.
EDIT2: I agree with Sagi, on pretty much all points. Just Saiyan.
EDIT3: I've decided we need to stop bickering. I doubt that anyone would call it productive. Now, look. We've all got our problems, with each other, with ourselves. Telling someone you don't like them isn't likely to make them change. If you still want to duke it out with someone, do it respectfully, calmly, and in PM's. If multiple folk feel like duking it out, I'll allow a thread, so long as everyone stays calm and respectful, and DOES NOT FLAME. I won't allow flaming, and that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, cuz it's in the freakin rules.
Now, our various backs and forths aren't getting us anywhere. The trial is happening, that's pretty much that. While I think that it is, at this point, worthless, I will allow it to run it's full course, and will encourage it too.
So there. Wielder was serious. Now it's time for him to go to bed. G'night.
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The_Master_Wielder Captain
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:56 pm
Aye. 'Tis true. I ain't been in a serious mood all day.
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:00 pm
I edited my last post. 3 times.
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The_Master_Wielder Captain
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:51 pm
You should move the League to a new guild like Gear did and start fresh.
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:25 pm
Nero Zenndoren xX Ratchet Lombax Xx Darius: But since its "my" opinion I can still say whats on my mind. I was here around the time; not as much to know every little thing, but I can still say how I feel. (What does moot mean?)
Speaking for Darius (long story short); You saying how you feel isn't going to matter in the long run, because no one cares what you think. Your improper grammar and mental aptitude make you less than significant.
No dude, that's not what I meant.
Ratchet: What I meant was, giving your opinion on this matter in no way helps the progression of the discussion at hand; therefore, by order of significance, you're opinion is that of moot and further delays it from reaching a proper resolution as you don't fully understand what's it's entirely about.
Prime example. Sagi finally replied to me, and Wielder told everyone to stop, which actually means he wants me to stop before I begin. But then, look at my long conversation with Gear. He and I cleared the air on a long standing issue, and we're both better of because of it.
Our family has some deep problems and we need to work it out, not just ignore it and pretend it's fixed. We're the real problem, not the guild itself. I offered to leave permanently, and no one asked me to or said they would want it that way. And now you tell me I'm the reason you dread coming here?
Everyone has s**t they haven't said, that they've been holding back. I think we should say it and get it over with. If we're truly a family, we'll all still be here after.
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:20 am
@Sagi: I really only have energy and motivation to respond to the House comment, because I want to clear something up.
If I had meant it the way you said it, (knocking down a school to build a strip mall), then the purpose would have been for the League to change completely. That's not the case at all. We just badly needed a remodel, or a new building.
Our windows were leaking, or doors were creaking, the carpet was torn and there was garbage everywhere. Everyone wanted the building clean, but nobody wanted to actually clean it or fix it on their own. Realizing that I couldn't just fix everything that was here all on my own, I knocked the building down and left. I knew you guys would get back up from the fall, and people were forced to rebuild the structure to use it for what they needed it for. And when they did, the place was finally clean, and it looks like you guys have done a good job of keeping it clean ever since.
Figuratively speaking, of course.
@Darius & Wielder: If we are a family, then I agree. We should all get things out in the air. There's too much tension here right now. It's not worth it, and you all know it. The only way to fix things are to deal with them civilly. Solves a lot of problems and keeps things from happening again. In the past, a lack of communication has played a devastating role in the destroying of relationships in general. Just saying.
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:31 am
It's been attacked. It's been destroyed. It's been rebuilt. And it's been remodeled. The guild itself, can work. We, however, no longer can, not without people going silent because they're afraid of being 'not nice', and in retrospect, going silent because they're afraid at what someone will think or say about what they might say.
Look, I know I'm the #1 s**t disturber in this guild. All these half-assed comments from people like you Sagi, and you too Kane, and everyone else whose been keeping their mouth shut... it has to kill you inside. You claim to have something against me, and please; I can understand why, but at least have the gulls to tell me what it is, ALL of it. Don't just make a vague comment and scurry off, or threaten me with words you're not willing to say. That makes me want to target you, because whether you believe it or not, I have my own words I've been holding back. Keeping it all inside isn't going to accomplish a damn thing. And the fact that we're prevented from settling our differences makes matters worse.
I get it though. You don't want your family to fight. But here's the thing; family's are meant to fight. That's why they're your family. They're the people you can be completely open and honest with, whether that comes from happiness, anger, or mistrust. Why? Because they'll still be there when it's all said and done. Are we really a family, then?, if we're not allowed to be completely open and honest with one another? My mom said to me recently "The people who matter, won't mind. And the people who mind, don't matter". I think that fits our situation very well.
Back to the stupid house thing. The house is fine. It's been pushed, pulled, knocked down, and stood right back up. But in the process of it all, our family has been falling apart. Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's not everyone. Maybe it's just me that's the problem, even though I stood right next to you when we stood the house back up, and even helped write the blueprints for the remodel. Or maybe it's just Karma. Frankly, I don't give a s**t who or what the problem is anymore, all I know is that it's not the guild, so it has to be us. I for one would rather try to work s**t out then to continue like there isn't any. Even if I am the only problem.
Seriously, let's get everything out in the open. If not for ourselves, then for the League. The newer members aren't the problem, it's us; the parent members, everyone whose been in the League for years and years and will still be here for years and years. Imagine working right beside someone that slept with your boyfriend/girlfriend, and you haven't confronted them about it to save face at work. How productive would you be working right next to someone like that? In the same sense, imagine if you told that person how you felt. Yeah, it would still blow that you had to work with them, but it would be a little bit easier.
So if there's anyone else here in the League that dreads my presence, or doesn't like the way I deal with things, or overall has s**t to say to me they've been keeping inside, say it, PM it, comment on my profile; whatever you have to do to get it off your chest, do it. I won't stand here and have people throw words in my face they're not going to say. At least I have the gulls to stand up to someone when I don't like them or don't like what they're doing instead of going silent and sticking my nose in the air like it makes me better then them. You are, in no way, better then I am because you choose to keep s**t to yourself, and I'm no better then you because I choose not to.
Our family needs a fight. Or we're just going to fall apart. But you know it doesn't matter if I get permission to have a big duke-out; I'll eventually slip up and start something somewhere, and it'll be stopped before anyone can reach a resolution. And then it will sit, and stew, and turn into a bomb just waiting to explode, and you end up waking to up a guild you love emptied from top to bottom (purely reference).
To summarize: we're ********, so let's work it out, instead of just covering it with smiles and shoulder slaps.
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:45 pm
 ☸☸Ratchet Lombax☸☸@Wielder well thats a much shorter way to explain things lol.
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:00 pm
Well, I'm not really going to continue this discussion, because of Wielder's wish for us to stop bickering, and I agree with him. It's not getting us anywhere. I will say this though, I do have a lot of respect for you as a productive member of this guild, and that is mostly why I choose to hold my tongue on what would basically be an out-lash of insults, that would be non-productive, and pointless. However, I am not stopping you from following your own advice, and say what's on your mind, providing they are more intellegent than what my comments would be.
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:04 pm
Thank you Wielder for the explanation.
And I agree with Aiusagi. Well, at least on the part about not fighting. It's best to accept eachother for our differences, and love eachother for our strengths, no matter what they are. smile
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