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 Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:02 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- This thread is SO off topic, its hilarious. Such is the evolution of discussion. Like people, they grow and change beyond their original context.
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:59 pm
I'm late for the discussion, but I'd like to state my opinion anyway. As others have previously mentioned, fathers don't get the choice because they are not pregnant. It's not their bodies, it's not their say what the woman does with the fetus. I am in favor of this and this is the way it should work, in my opinion. However, this does not mean I do not advocate for the rest of men's rights as listed rather nicely here in this Wikipedia article. It's Feminism's opposite, Masculinism. I fully support this movement. I want to apologize in advance for any strange wording. It's late.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:05 pm
----Read Adalette's last comment's first line.
----As a male friend of mine put it, "shoulda worn a prophalactic and used some spermicide" he also continued "The guy's not the one who carried a 'bun in the oven for NINE MONTHS' only to undergo childbirth", at least that was his reasoning. (he didn't buy the guy's gotta choice argument, but he did buy the girl's gotta choice theory)
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:26 pm
Renkon Root This thread is SO off topic, its hilarious. Yeah lol. When did this become an animal rights debate?
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:43 pm
I've been reading through this thread and I see a lot of people saying that a man shouldn't be able to force a woman to get, or not get, an abortion. I completely agree with that. It is her body and no one should be able to force her to do anything with it that she doesn't want to.
However, since he can't stop her if she wants to get an abortion (and by doing so she is choosing not to be a mother) and he has no say if she doesn't want to get an abortion (and by doing so she is choosing to be a mother) I think the right to make a choice about being a parent should go both ways. We all know that it is ultimately the woman's choice. I just think that if she chooses to have the baby, the father should have a right to not be involved. I know it sounds awful when you think about a child being raised without a father, but when you really think about it it is fair. It is completely sexist for a woman to have all of the power in this situation. If women have a right to chose, so should men. If she wants to have a child knowing damn well that he wants nothing to do with it. It should be her problem, not his.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:52 pm
SuchSweetSadism xxEternallyBluexx I don't think either should get a choice unless there's a health reason. I'm pro-life, and I think if they brought the kid into the world they have to be responsible for it. And on a personal note, my dad has gotten out of paying child support until very recently, and I always felt that was unfair towards my mom, so I'm rather disgusted by the idea of a man getting to choose not to take care of his child. razz How'd he do that? Maybe he didn't have a job or something. I know my dad has probably paid a total of $20 in child support, and I'm 22. The only time he paid was when he had a job for like 2 months and they took it out of his paycheck. As soon as they started doing that, he quit.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:54 pm
That's fine and dandy that the man cannot tell a woman what to do with her body, but the baby within the body is NOT the woman's body. It's a totally separate being from her. It's not some parasite that needs to be removed and thrown out. It's a human being!
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:53 pm
If my father had the choice, I wouldn't be here right now sad
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:57 pm
theif519 If my father had the choice, I wouldn't be here right now sad Unless it was the choice to opt out of the parental process.
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 10:54 am
Well, my husband and I got married for about a year and then I got knocked up.
We weren't exactly ready for a family, and he didn't want the baby. He wanted me to get an abortion, but I didn't want to. (this is the case of fail birth control)
But I gave him 2 options, though. Leave or stay.
If he chose to stay, he has to get himself together for the kid.
If he chose to leave, I promise to not file for child support, but he won't get to know his kid. He didn't want it anyway, so why bother to get to know it.
Does that sound fair to you?
Still, if he was the one to get pregnant and wanted to get an abortion, I would support that decision.
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 12:07 pm
Shadows-shine That's fine and dandy that the man cannot tell a woman what to do with her body, but the baby within the body is NOT the woman's body. It's a totally separate being from her. It's not some parasite that needs to be removed and thrown out. It's a human being! So what if it's a human? I'm not gonna let some teenager, or other person who don't want the brat have it. It's not like women get pregnant for the hell of it. I know about ten people, including myself, who would commit suicide if we had to have a brat, let alone be pregnant. Pregnancy is disgusting and no one should ever have to go through it if they don't want to. (edit): most moms where I live are like, 16, so hence the "teenager".
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 12:21 pm
buggsie blue Shadows-shine That's fine and dandy that the man cannot tell a woman what to do with her body, but the baby within the body is NOT the woman's body. It's a totally separate being from her. It's not some parasite that needs to be removed and thrown out. It's a human being! So what if it's a human? I'm not gonna let some teenager, or other person who don't want the brat have it. It's not like women get pregnant for the hell of it. I know about ten people, including myself, who would commit suicide if we had to have a brat, let alone be pregnant. Pregnancy is disgusting and no one should ever have to go through it if they don't want to. (edit): most moms where I live are like, 16, so hence the "teenager". So what if it's a human? That's it. It's a human. So what if it's a human, those jews are ruining our German economy! To the concentration camp it is, amirite? Who cares if it's a human? It's proven that slave labor is the most efficient way to build a strong economy and produce the most amount of goods. Blacks, back to the field with you, amirite? If being a human being is irrelevant, by all means, let's go all out with it. If you would rather commit suicide than not kill someone else, I'll supply the gun and the bullets, assuming you want the fast track to the afterlife.
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 11:08 pm
Shadows-shine That's fine and dandy that the man cannot tell a woman what to do with her body, but the baby within the body is NOT the woman's body. It's a totally separate being from her. It's not some parasite that needs to be removed and thrown out. It's a human being! parasite: something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/parasiteIf it's unwanted, it's a parasite. Also, zygote and embryo =/= human. Fetus=/= human.
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 11:12 pm
ZeRgII Shadows-shine That's fine and dandy that the man cannot tell a woman what to do with her body, but the baby within the body is NOT the woman's body. It's a totally separate being from her. It's not some parasite that needs to be removed and thrown out. It's a human being! parasite: something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/parasiteIf it's unwanted, it's a parasite. Also, zygote and embryo =/= human. Fetus=/= human. Try basic biology. What you cited was the third definition down, and a colloquial definition at that. To be a parasite, it must be of a different species. Again, try basic biology. A fetus is a human.
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 11:30 pm
divineseraph ZeRgII Shadows-shine That's fine and dandy that the man cannot tell a woman what to do with her body, but the baby within the body is NOT the woman's body. It's a totally separate being from her. It's not some parasite that needs to be removed and thrown out. It's a human being! parasite: something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/parasiteIf it's unwanted, it's a parasite. Also, zygote and embryo =/= human. Fetus=/= human. Try basic biology. What you cited was the third definition down, and a colloquial definition at that. To be a parasite, it must be of a different species. Again, try basic biology. A fetus is a human. If I didn't want to be pregnant, and to have something feeding of my nutrient, I wouldn't want to keep it. Yes, if in biology point of view, different specie would consider as a parasite. Please don't tempt me to go dig for my Bio II text book. wink Fetus is less likely to survive outside the womb, but with the medical advancement; many premies have survived. However fetus =/= infant, that's what I meant to type earlier. If you look at a goat fetus, you can make it out as a goat, but you wouldn't consider it as a "baby" goat. It's just a fetus. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a cold hearted human being. I don't agree with abortion beyond first trimester. I also understand that some women don't even know that they're pregnant, but that's a different topic. If you wanna get it done, get it done quick. Back to original topic. I still firmly believe in the right of woman's body and decision.
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