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 Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:46 pm
I.Am Mcphee Talon-chan Pyrotechnic Oracle I.Am Pyrotechnic Oracle Many states in the US have outlawed a**l sex in some form or another. Technnicly, i think thats wrong. In my home state a**l sex is labled as a Crime Agianst Nature. a**l sex is not illegal in any state, because of a Supreme Court ruling in the case of Lawrence v. Texas, which made it unconstitutional to make a**l sex illegal. It might have been illegal as recently as 2003, which is when the ruling was made, but it cannot be illegal within the United States at this time. I'll have toi look into that. Last time I looked (I think about a month ago) the law here was still in place. The laws are still on the books... but they are unconstitutional to be enforced.
You Americans need a Charter of Rights and Freedoms. 3nodding It's called "The Bill of Rights," and I'm pretty sure we had one first. xd And see, the thing is, obviously neither one fulfills all rights that we expect; Neither one guarranteed the rights desired by either side of the abortion debate. And I'm pretty sure a**l sex really didn't come up often back in 1776.
Ours was established in 1982, along with our patriated constitution. It's a little different than the bill of rights, I think.
I mean, It's got a lot about tolerance, bilingualism, and freedom of religion, press, etc.
It's very progressive. A lot of big "C" conservatives in Canada think that it was a step in the ruination of this country.
But then, they also think that the adoption of the Canadian flag was that, too, because it's "too liberal". Red and white ARE the liberal colors, but that's beside the point.
You want to sing God save the Queen, move to the U.K.
... I think I ran my point right off the rails. XD
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:11 pm
Mcphee Yeah, well... I'd like to see a comparison of the two.
Ours was established in 1982, along with our patriated constitution. It's a little different than the bill of rights, I think.
I mean, It's got a lot about tolerance, bilingualism, and freedom of religion, press, etc.
It's very progressive. A lot of big "C" conservatives in Canada think that it was a step in the ruination of this country.
But then, they also think that the adoption of the Canadian flag was that, too, because it's "too liberal". Red and white ARE the liberal colors, but that's beside the point.
You want to sing God save the Queen, move to the U.K.
... I think I ran my point right off the rails. XD Well then, it's probably more modern, but that doesn't mean that it's better. xd We've got all the freedom of faith, press, speach, etc. We've got all the freedoms that pretty much every can agree that we should have.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:26 pm
I.Am Mcphee Yeah, well... I'd like to see a comparison of the two.
Ours was established in 1982, along with our patriated constitution. It's a little different than the bill of rights, I think.
I mean, It's got a lot about tolerance, bilingualism, and freedom of religion, press, etc.
It's very progressive. A lot of big "C" conservatives in Canada think that it was a step in the ruination of this country.
But then, they also think that the adoption of the Canadian flag was that, too, because it's "too liberal". Red and white ARE the liberal colors, but that's beside the point.
You want to sing God save the Queen, move to the U.K.
... I think I ran my point right off the rails. XD Well then, it's probably more modern, but that doesn't mean that it's better. xd We've got all the freedom of faith, press, speach, etc. We've got all the freedoms that pretty much every can agree that we should have. Except for the freedom to barbecue cute fuzzy chincillas. Don't know where that came from... Anyway, the Bill of Rights is pretty good. It has all our basic freedoms and all in it. It protects us from the government seizing our houses and sending soldiers in to rape our women and kill our men, and the whole due process thing which is always a bonus, and that whole, Speak just don't yell fire in a crowded theatre. That sort of thing.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:30 pm
Sad that those very same rights are being used to undermine what they trully mean. I think its funny how the Library of Congress is slowly coming out and saying that the way we have been interpretign things for the past 50 years is just plain wrong. We know exactly what our fore fathers meant with the ten admentments because we have their personle writings that give us light into the way they thought, how they felt, and how they acted.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:37 pm
I.Am Mcphee Yeah, well... I'd like to see a comparison of the two.
Ours was established in 1982, along with our patriated constitution. It's a little different than the bill of rights, I think.
I mean, It's got a lot about tolerance, bilingualism, and freedom of religion, press, etc.
It's very progressive. A lot of big "C" conservatives in Canada think that it was a step in the ruination of this country.
But then, they also think that the adoption of the Canadian flag was that, too, because it's "too liberal". Red and white ARE the liberal colors, but that's beside the point.
You want to sing God save the Queen, move to the U.K.
... I think I ran my point right off the rails. XD Well then, it's probably more modern, but that doesn't mean that it's better. xd We've got all the freedom of faith, press, speach, etc. We've got all the freedoms that pretty much every can agree that we should have.
Hey, it seems to work for you guys.
I'd just honestly like to see a comparison of the two. Perhaps it'll provide an idea as to what makes Americans and Canadians that much different.
I didn't even know it existed. I thought all you guys had was like, the constitution.
*shrug*
I know s**t all about american history anyway.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:41 pm
The Bill of Rights consists of the first ten ammendments to the constitution. 3nodding At one point, I knew each ammendment. Now I need prompting, though.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:44 pm
lymelady The Bill of Rights consists of the first ten ammendments to the constitution. 3nodding At one point, I knew each ammendment. Now I need prompting, though.
So it's like... part of the constitution?
I think I knew that. I get it. XD
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:46 pm
Mcphee I know s**t all about american history anyway. I certainly hope not; You're an american too. whee Just not a United-States-ian. xd Oi. Anyways, not to insinuate that you -did- mean yours is better, but "More progressive" generally means "better." sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:49 pm
lymelady Except for the freedom to barbecue cute fuzzy chincillas. Don't know where that came from... Anyway, the Bill of Rights is pretty good. It has all our basic freedoms and all in it. It protects us from the government seizing our houses and sending soldiers in to rape our women and kill our men, and the whole due process thing which is always a bonus, and that whole, Speak just don't yell fire in a crowded theatre. That sort of thing. What??? We don't have the freedom to barbecue cute, fuzzy, chincillas? ...Dang. Well, I guess I'm just going to have to change my dietary habits. sad But... But what about if the chincillas don't die in the barbecuing?? Is this why there hasn't been a new "Magical Trevor" since the one with the chincillas????? And I do rather like that protection from the government sending troops with specific orders to rape the women and kill the men. whee Life just sucked before that one.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:53 pm
I.Am Mcphee I know s**t all about american history anyway. I certainly hope not; You're an american too. whee Just not a United-States-ian. xd Oi. Anyways, not to insinuate that you -did- mean yours is better, but "More progressive" generally means "better." sweatdrop
And by "More progressive", I think I meant... with more room to expand, and change, and add to, and like... I don't know.
Plus, we have the notwithstanding clause, which allows provinces to apply/veto laws that they don't want to accept.
I thought progressive would be a good term to use, because that's what I think the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is. It's made so that all people are protected in their own individual freedom of choice, as long as it doesn't hurt other people, and are protected from abuse by authority, or, like...
I don't know what I'm trying to say. I'm tired.
But I think what I meant by "progressive" was just... "liberal", I suppose. Or something.
*sighs*
My points never come out right.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:07 pm
That's okay; I understood you didn't mean to be elitist or anything, it just sort of looked that way.
And it seems like our systems work pretty much the same; Something I didn't know. sweatdrop Although, when our states tried to seperate, we beat their asses and made them come back. whee
Which I actually think was kind of the wrong thing to do, but that's just me.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:33 pm
I.Am That's okay; I understood you didn't mean to be elitist or anything, it just sort of looked that way. And it seems like our systems work pretty much the same; Something I didn't know. sweatdrop Although, when our states tried to seperate, we beat their asses and made them come back. whee Which I actually think was kind of the wrong thing to do, but that's just me.
Yet another difference between Canadians and Americans.
You beat them senseless when they want to seperate, we allow them to have their own federal party, whose only real goal is seperation.
Of course, I hope Canada wouldn't actually LET them seperate, but you never know, with Harper now in power.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:42 pm
I.Am That's okay; I understood you didn't mean to be elitist or anything, it just sort of looked that way. And it seems like our systems work pretty much the same; Something I didn't know. sweatdrop Although, when our states tried to seperate, we beat their asses and made them come back. whee Which I actually think was kind of the wrong thing to do, but that's just me. We do have somthign similer to what Mcphee stated. A guarantee that any power not delegated ot the supream coart by the constitution and ten amendments is delegated to the state. The SP has ignored this for the past fifty or so year though.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:01 pm
and I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with FDR...
I think I'm the only one I know who doesn't absolutely love the guy.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:17 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle I.Am That's okay; I understood you didn't mean to be elitist or anything, it just sort of looked that way. And it seems like our systems work pretty much the same; Something I didn't know. sweatdrop Although, when our states tried to seperate, we beat their asses and made them come back. whee Which I actually think was kind of the wrong thing to do, but that's just me. We do have somthign similer to what Mcphee stated. A guarantee that any power not delegated ot the supream coart by the constitution and ten amendments is delegated to the state. The SP has ignored this for the past fifty or so year though. Yeah, I know. We learned that in government class just recently. 3nodding Powers not specifically delegated to the Congress (Because the Supreme Court isn't -supposed- to make the laws... Just translate them.), are supposed to belong to the state. But the way things are right now, the states have no rights. And if you ask me, that's been going on for quite a while; After all, just take the Civil War. If the states had the rights that they should have had, no one would have stopped them. Honestly, I don't know enough about FDR to make an opinion. sweatdrop My history classes, for some reason or another, usually didn't dwell too much on the modern/near modern day. I will this semester though. 3nodding I bet my darned biased teacher will love him to death. stare But I'll read the book, and I think that's not too biased.
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