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 Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:05 pm
Chieftain Twilight Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Honestly, yes. Like I said, I probably would have done the same thing. (Except I would have planted bombs everywhere and blow the damn place up. Might as well die happy, watching an explosion.) Do you realize what you are saying? Yes. That is why I'm NOT joining the military. I don't want even worse problems. I'd be taking out my personal worst enemies with a big explosion that I would have enjoyed watching. So, I'm NOT joining the military. Hasan wouldn't have done that if he weren't in the military. I could bet you. No. You would be murdering other human beings who have a family and friends who care for them, you would be ******** over any person who was in the area, who saw it, who saw the destruction, who saw the broken bodies, who saw the the pain inside the eyes of the parents, the wife, the husband, the young child who will never again be comforted by their loved one. You would be murdering someone who on the inside could be suffering just as much as you are because as much as people like to tell you that you're different, you're not... we all suffer in life. I keep saying that Hasan killed 13 people and injured nearly three times as many but it's not true. He took the lives of and injured far more than any of us are aware of. Hasan was a psychiatrist at a place where numerous individuals suffered with PTSD, think how many more patients he must have created. and just the fact that you don't understand where people like us, with this much hatred for ourselves and other people, are coming from This would generally label you as a terrorist, or an anarchist at the least. Maybe you should seek some other various forms of medical attention, if you hate yourself, and everybody else that much. At the least turn yourself in to the DHS so I don't have to hear later from another source that you strapped a bomb to you and went into a building, all because you hate yourself so much and everybody else, regardless of the lives they lead or live. Yet again I lack sympathy, you sound like a typical teenager, and every teenager thinks they are misunderstood. Perhaps you aren't a teenager, but you sure do sound like one.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:16 pm
Chieftain Twilight Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Honestly, yes. Like I said, I probably would have done the same thing. (Except I would have planted bombs everywhere and blow the damn place up. Might as well die happy, watching an explosion.) Do you realize what you are saying? Yes. That is why I'm NOT joining the military. I don't want even worse problems. I'd be taking out my personal worst enemies with a big explosion that I would have enjoyed watching. So, I'm NOT joining the military. Hasan wouldn't have done that if he weren't in the military. I could bet you. No. You would be murdering other human beings who have a family and friends who care for them, you would be ******** over any person who was in the area, who saw it, who saw the destruction, who saw the broken bodies, who saw the the pain inside the eyes of the parents, the wife, the husband, the young child who will never again be comforted by their loved one. You would be murdering someone who on the inside could be suffering just as much as you are because as much as people like to tell you that you're different, you're not... we all suffer in life. I keep saying that Hasan killed 13 people and injured nearly three times as many but it's not true. He took the lives of and injured far more than any of us are aware of. Hasan was a psychiatrist at a place where numerous individuals suffered with PTSD, think how many more patients he must have created. and just the fact that you don't understand where people like us, with this much hatred for ourselves and other people, are coming from, i can deduce that you have never witness nor experienced any of the kinds of horrors you just mentioned in your life firsthand. you think he doesn't knowall this? you assume he thinks that his predicament is any different than anyone elses? he probably on one level can't escape that feeling but he certainly knows logically that it isn't true. i can tell by the way he's saying it. he'sbeing blunt and honest here, and that probably leaves him frightened of how it will be taken, knowing full well he's not very likely in hell to be understood for it, and that's why he doesn't bother trying to explain it to people who won't understand anyway. i'm the same way. just yesterday i told my ex girlfriend that her being so nice to me makes me want to push her down a flight of stairs. truth be told, if i were stressed out enough, i'd do it and laugh when she broke her neck! and then i go down there and absolutely MUTILATE her body! because that makes me feel better. First of all you don't know where I am coming from so don't assume anything about me. Second, do you empathize at all with any of the other victims? Do they matter? Does their pain and suffering matter at all to you? Third, You said Hasan didn't bother to tell those who won't be able to understand then fine, that's fair enough, then find someone who has the training to help and who will be able to empathize. A psychiatrist familiar with patients dealing with PTSD or violent ideation could help, have you ever looked into it?
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:34 pm
Someoneiknow Chieftain Twilight Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Honestly, yes. Like I said, I probably would have done the same thing. (Except I would have planted bombs everywhere and blow the damn place up. Might as well die happy, watching an explosion.) Do you realize what you are saying? Yes. That is why I'm NOT joining the military. I don't want even worse problems. I'd be taking out my personal worst enemies with a big explosion that I would have enjoyed watching. So, I'm NOT joining the military. Hasan wouldn't have done that if he weren't in the military. I could bet you. No. You would be murdering other human beings who have a family and friends who care for them, you would be ******** over any person who was in the area, who saw it, who saw the destruction, who saw the broken bodies, who saw the the pain inside the eyes of the parents, the wife, the husband, the young child who will never again be comforted by their loved one. You would be murdering someone who on the inside could be suffering just as much as you are because as much as people like to tell you that you're different, you're not... we all suffer in life. I keep saying that Hasan killed 13 people and injured nearly three times as many but it's not true. He took the lives of and injured far more than any of us are aware of. Hasan was a psychiatrist at a place where numerous individuals suffered with PTSD, think how many more patients he must have created. and just the fact that you don't understand where people like us, with this much hatred for ourselves and other people, are coming from This would generally label you as a terrorist, or an anarchist at the least. Maybe you should seek some other various forms of medical attention, if you hate yourself, and everybody else that much. At the least turn yourself in to the DHS so I don't have to hear later from another source that you strapped a bomb to you and went into a building, all because you hate yourself so much and everybody else, regardless of the lives they lead or live. Yet again I lack sympathy, you sound like a typical teenager, and every teenager thinks they are misunderstood. Perhaps you aren't a teenager, but you sure do sound like one. Already told you. I wouldn't strap a bomb to myself. Completely defeats the purpose of an explosive. You have to be able to WATCH the boom. And I am an anarchist. So your labeling thing.... I probably do need medical attention. But no one seems to care enough to want to pay for the psychiatrist I need. See? No one caring doesn't seem to help the entire I'mcrazyi'mgoingtogoblowthisplaceup factor.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:39 pm
Semiremis Chieftain Twilight Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Honestly, yes. Like I said, I probably would have done the same thing. (Except I would have planted bombs everywhere and blow the damn place up. Might as well die happy, watching an explosion.) Do you realize what you are saying? Yes. That is why I'm NOT joining the military. I don't want even worse problems. I'd be taking out my personal worst enemies with a big explosion that I would have enjoyed watching. So, I'm NOT joining the military. Hasan wouldn't have done that if he weren't in the military. I could bet you. No. You would be murdering other human beings who have a family and friends who care for them, you would be ******** over any person who was in the area, who saw it, who saw the destruction, who saw the broken bodies, who saw the the pain inside the eyes of the parents, the wife, the husband, the young child who will never again be comforted by their loved one. You would be murdering someone who on the inside could be suffering just as much as you are because as much as people like to tell you that you're different, you're not... we all suffer in life. I keep saying that Hasan killed 13 people and injured nearly three times as many but it's not true. He took the lives of and injured far more than any of us are aware of. Hasan was a psychiatrist at a place where numerous individuals suffered with PTSD, think how many more patients he must have created. and just the fact that you don't understand where people like us, with this much hatred for ourselves and other people, are coming from, i can deduce that you have never witness nor experienced any of the kinds of horrors you just mentioned in your life firsthand. you think he doesn't knowall this? you assume he thinks that his predicament is any different than anyone elses? he probably on one level can't escape that feeling but he certainly knows logically that it isn't true. i can tell by the way he's saying it. he'sbeing blunt and honest here, and that probably leaves him frightened of how it will be taken, knowing full well he's not very likely in hell to be understood for it, and that's why he doesn't bother trying to explain it to people who won't understand anyway. i'm the same way. just yesterday i told my ex girlfriend that her being so nice to me makes me want to push her down a flight of stairs. truth be told, if i were stressed out enough, i'd do it and laugh when she broke her neck! and then i go down there and absolutely MUTILATE her body! because that makes me feel better. First of all you don't know where I am coming from so don't assume anything about me. Second, do you empathize at all with any of the other victims? Do they matter? Does their pain and suffering matter at all to you? Third, You said Hasan didn't bother to tell those who won't be able to understand then fine, that's fair enough, then find someone who has the training to help and who will be able to empathize. A psychiatrist familiar with patients dealing with PTSD or violent ideation could help, have you ever looked into it? ANSWERS! 1. I know I don't know where your coming from. So I kinda have to guess... 2. Eventually I will. After I had seen the explosion and all the awsomeness of it. Then the guilt would come. Then I would kill myself. Happy thought, eh? 3. Don't get a psychiatrist. Get someone like him. They will understand him better than a psychiatrsit.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:11 pm
Broken_Penguin_Man Someoneiknow Chieftain Twilight Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Yes. That is why I'm NOT joining the military. I don't want even worse problems. I'd be taking out my personal worst enemies with a big explosion that I would have enjoyed watching. So, I'm NOT joining the military. Hasan wouldn't have done that if he weren't in the military. I could bet you. No. You would be murdering other human beings who have a family and friends who care for them, you would be ******** over any person who was in the area, who saw it, who saw the destruction, who saw the broken bodies, who saw the the pain inside the eyes of the parents, the wife, the husband, the young child who will never again be comforted by their loved one. You would be murdering someone who on the inside could be suffering just as much as you are because as much as people like to tell you that you're different, you're not... we all suffer in life. I keep saying that Hasan killed 13 people and injured nearly three times as many but it's not true. He took the lives of and injured far more than any of us are aware of. Hasan was a psychiatrist at a place where numerous individuals suffered with PTSD, think how many more patients he must have created. and just the fact that you don't understand where people like us, with this much hatred for ourselves and other people, are coming from This would generally label you as a terrorist, or an anarchist at the least. Maybe you should seek some other various forms of medical attention, if you hate yourself, and everybody else that much. At the least turn yourself in to the DHS so I don't have to hear later from another source that you strapped a bomb to you and went into a building, all because you hate yourself so much and everybody else, regardless of the lives they lead or live. Yet again I lack sympathy, you sound like a typical teenager, and every teenager thinks they are misunderstood. Perhaps you aren't a teenager, but you sure do sound like one. Already told you. I wouldn't strap a bomb to myself. Completely defeats the purpose of an explosive. You have to be able to WATCH the boom. And I am an anarchist. So your labeling thing.... I probably do need medical attention. But no one seems to care enough to want to pay for the psychiatrist I need. See? No one caring doesn't seem to help the entire I'mcrazyi'mgoingtogoblowthisplaceup factor.
If you don't deal with your anger then you're a danger to everyone around you.
If you don't do anything about it and end up hurting other people, you have no one to blame but yourself.
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:47 am
Someoneiknow Chieftain Twilight Someoneiknow Broken_Penguin_Man Your eliminating possibilities. PTSD is just as possible as religion. The way everyone seems to put it, there is no actual reason. He just did it. I think it was a mixture of all of these. And just because he was out of basic doesn't mean he had gotten over the bad treatment. Your past haunts you. It does for me. And yet again I ask, Post Traumatic Stress from what? Basic? What was so traumatic? So many people go through basic, and have the same crap, and yet they don't go shooting people. I'm eliminating one possibility because it is ludicrous. Ask a vet from Vietnam if this guy had a hard time and that vet will call this guy a p***y compared to what the vet had to go through. If Hasan had actually gone to war, then we might be able to deduce that he had PTSD, but he had not. Unless you are using the media term of Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder, and that term might fit more but makes less sense. and again, it isn't Post-War-Experience-Stress-Disorder, it's Post-Traumatic-Stress-Disorder! ANY TRAUMA! and guess what is traumatic? SEEING FIRSTHAND THE UNTREATED WOUNDS AND THE DISTURBED MINDS OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE FRONT LINES!! look at me, i havn't been in war. but i HAVE seen alot of s**t. i've been in alot of s**t. i've been on both giving and recieving ends of what most people consider unforgivable behavior or actions. everything from gang-violence, to domestic abuse, to rape, to murder! you know what that's done to me!? hell, i have ripped my friend's pet bunnie rabbits to pieces with my bare hands and teeth! just to feel the rush! that's a ******** PTSD psychosis! i have tried to kill my own friends, and they can testify that that is true! damnit, i ran screaming at a ******** tree! >.< to this day i am haunted by severe schitzophrenia, phobias, night terrors, and hysteric outbursts of uncontrolable rage to the point i feel posessed! i didn't have to be caught in cross fire for that to happen, and neither did Hasan! Oh, so then he should be allowed to walk free because he had a bad time in basic training and he CHOSE the line and career in the military to listen to other people's sob stories about watching people DIE? So then why hasn't any other Psychatrist started shooting up people after listening to all that? He is the only one, THE ONLY ONE! From what I can tell and what we can logically deduce, it wasn't PTSD, for we have only been at war for..... since the age of man? And there have been a LOT more gruesome wars out there than Iraq, and other psychatrists who studied those people from those wars haven't gone on shooting rampages killing comrades ever since it was recorded. But hey, what do I know, since I don't go ripping apart bunnies I suppose I don't know the ugly side of life. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for you, for most fits such as the ones you described are self-induced. The desire to see a reaction, albeit bad ones. 1.) i never ******** said he should walk free, go shove your asusmptions up your a** and suck on teh guilt. dumbass. stare 2.) how do you know hw many PTSD sufferers have or have not shot up the damn place? it's actually one of teh biggest fears of what someone suffering from it might do, just barely less likely than suicide. 3.) i never asked for sympathy. and trust me, i didn't induce them in myself.
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:49 am
Someoneiknow Chieftain Twilight Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Honestly, yes. Like I said, I probably would have done the same thing. (Except I would have planted bombs everywhere and blow the damn place up. Might as well die happy, watching an explosion.) Do you realize what you are saying? Yes. That is why I'm NOT joining the military. I don't want even worse problems. I'd be taking out my personal worst enemies with a big explosion that I would have enjoyed watching. So, I'm NOT joining the military. Hasan wouldn't have done that if he weren't in the military. I could bet you. No. You would be murdering other human beings who have a family and friends who care for them, you would be ******** over any person who was in the area, who saw it, who saw the destruction, who saw the broken bodies, who saw the the pain inside the eyes of the parents, the wife, the husband, the young child who will never again be comforted by their loved one. You would be murdering someone who on the inside could be suffering just as much as you are because as much as people like to tell you that you're different, you're not... we all suffer in life. I keep saying that Hasan killed 13 people and injured nearly three times as many but it's not true. He took the lives of and injured far more than any of us are aware of. Hasan was a psychiatrist at a place where numerous individuals suffered with PTSD, think how many more patients he must have created. and just the fact that you don't understand where people like us, with this much hatred for ourselves and other people, are coming from This would generally label you as a terrorist, or an anarchist at the least. Maybe you should seek some other various forms of medical attention, if you hate yourself, and everybody else that much. At the least turn yourself in to the DHS so I don't have to hear later from another source that you strapped a bomb to you and went into a building, all because you hate yourself so much and everybody else, regardless of the lives they lead or live. Yet again I lack sympathy, you sound like a typical teenager, and every teenager thinks they are misunderstood. Perhaps you aren't a teenager, but you sure do sound like one. why should i care to? i say ******** tha. but yes, i WOULD be considered a terrorist, and quite frankly i am PROUD of that fact! if peopel are araid of me, if i am terrafying, than i'm winning!
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:52 am
Semiremis Chieftain Twilight Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Honestly, yes. Like I said, I probably would have done the same thing. (Except I would have planted bombs everywhere and blow the damn place up. Might as well die happy, watching an explosion.) Do you realize what you are saying? Yes. That is why I'm NOT joining the military. I don't want even worse problems. I'd be taking out my personal worst enemies with a big explosion that I would have enjoyed watching. So, I'm NOT joining the military. Hasan wouldn't have done that if he weren't in the military. I could bet you. No. You would be murdering other human beings who have a family and friends who care for them, you would be ******** over any person who was in the area, who saw it, who saw the destruction, who saw the broken bodies, who saw the the pain inside the eyes of the parents, the wife, the husband, the young child who will never again be comforted by their loved one. You would be murdering someone who on the inside could be suffering just as much as you are because as much as people like to tell you that you're different, you're not... we all suffer in life. I keep saying that Hasan killed 13 people and injured nearly three times as many but it's not true. He took the lives of and injured far more than any of us are aware of. Hasan was a psychiatrist at a place where numerous individuals suffered with PTSD, think how many more patients he must have created. and just the fact that you don't understand where people like us, with this much hatred for ourselves and other people, are coming from, i can deduce that you have never witness nor experienced any of the kinds of horrors you just mentioned in your life firsthand. you think he doesn't knowall this? you assume he thinks that his predicament is any different than anyone elses? he probably on one level can't escape that feeling but he certainly knows logically that it isn't true. i can tell by the way he's saying it. he'sbeing blunt and honest here, and that probably leaves him frightened of how it will be taken, knowing full well he's not very likely in hell to be understood for it, and that's why he doesn't bother trying to explain it to people who won't understand anyway. i'm the same way. just yesterday i told my ex girlfriend that her being so nice to me makes me want to push her down a flight of stairs. truth be told, if i were stressed out enough, i'd do it and laugh when she broke her neck! and then i go down there and absolutely MUTILATE her body! because that makes me feel better. First of all you don't know where I am coming from so don't assume anything about me. Second, do you empathize at all with any of the other victims? Do they matter? Does their pain and suffering matter at all to you? Third, You said Hasan didn't bother to tell those who won't be able to understand then fine, that's fair enough, then find someone who has the training to help and who will be able to empathize. A psychiatrist familiar with patients dealing with PTSD or violent ideation could help, have you ever looked into it? 1.) i appologize, i shouldn't assume anything. though it was more like making an educated evaluation. 2.) yes, their pain and suffering and deaths/injuries also are sympathized. but they arn't who i am mainly talking about right now. 3.) i have looked into it, once again i let you know that i have had some psychiatric training. i am a Spiritual Councilor, it's part of my job description.
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:51 pm
Chieftain Twilight Semiremis Chieftain Twilight Semiremis Broken_Penguin_Man Yes. That is why I'm NOT joining the military. I don't want even worse problems. I'd be taking out my personal worst enemies with a big explosion that I would have enjoyed watching. So, I'm NOT joining the military. Hasan wouldn't have done that if he weren't in the military. I could bet you. No. You would be murdering other human beings who have a family and friends who care for them, you would be ******** over any person who was in the area, who saw it, who saw the destruction, who saw the broken bodies, who saw the the pain inside the eyes of the parents, the wife, the husband, the young child who will never again be comforted by their loved one. You would be murdering someone who on the inside could be suffering just as much as you are because as much as people like to tell you that you're different, you're not... we all suffer in life. I keep saying that Hasan killed 13 people and injured nearly three times as many but it's not true. He took the lives of and injured far more than any of us are aware of. Hasan was a psychiatrist at a place where numerous individuals suffered with PTSD, think how many more patients he must have created. and just the fact that you don't understand where people like us, with this much hatred for ourselves and other people, are coming from, i can deduce that you have never witness nor experienced any of the kinds of horrors you just mentioned in your life firsthand. you think he doesn't knowall this? you assume he thinks that his predicament is any different than anyone elses? he probably on one level can't escape that feeling but he certainly knows logically that it isn't true. i can tell by the way he's saying it. he'sbeing blunt and honest here, and that probably leaves him frightened of how it will be taken, knowing full well he's not very likely in hell to be understood for it, and that's why he doesn't bother trying to explain it to people who won't understand anyway. i'm the same way. just yesterday i told my ex girlfriend that her being so nice to me makes me want to push her down a flight of stairs. truth be told, if i were stressed out enough, i'd do it and laugh when she broke her neck! and then i go down there and absolutely MUTILATE her body! because that makes me feel better. First of all you don't know where I am coming from so don't assume anything about me. Second, do you empathize at all with any of the other victims? Do they matter? Does their pain and suffering matter at all to you? Third, You said Hasan didn't bother to tell those who won't be able to understand then fine, that's fair enough, then find someone who has the training to help and who will be able to empathize. A psychiatrist familiar with patients dealing with PTSD or violent ideation could help, have you ever looked into it? 1.) i appologize, i shouldn't assume anything. though it was more like making an educated evaluation. 2.) yes, their pain and suffering and deaths/injuries also are sympathized. but they arn't who i am mainly talking about right now. 3.) i have looked into it, once again i let you know that i have had some psychiatric training. i am a Spiritual Councilor, it's part of my job description. I can see how much you are enjoying the educated guesses that people are making about you. How accurate would you say that they are? I meant have you ever looked into finding someone who could help you.
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:53 pm
I'd be one thing if we were following the Geneva Conventions, if we avoided torturing prisoners, and especially if we acknowledged their culture as valid.
If he is a terrorist? Well, our previous involvement in the region explains his motive (handing NUCLEAR WEAPONS to Israel! Backing Israel's occupation of other sovereign nations during the 1980s not limited to Lebanon (where 20k POWs are still unaccounted for), backing Saddam Hussein during the bloody war with Iran, installing the Shah in Iran by knocking over a sovereign democracy, painting the Palestinians as the aggressors in the Israel Palestine conflict when Israelis come in with tanks, and Palestinians throw rocks at them....)
I say convict our leaders of crimes higher than his. Our nation has more blood on our hands than this, and it's only fair and logical that consequences happen.
I'm not saying it wasn't a tragedy. I'm just saying that we wouldn't address our actions (which had an even *worse* effect) in the region without someone forcing us. The thirteen American colonies started their revolution over much less - friggin tax money.
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:26 am
I just want to clear one thing up with everyone. If you are in the Army and are a doctor, you are not trained to shoot. You are trained to be a doctor. Same with Navy and Air Force. They have their specific jobs and it they get in a gun fight the soldiers who are trained to shoot (aka infantry) are the ones to shoot. This guy was not going to go fight. He should not have had that gun with him. I'm glad that that woman shot im. I really don't like to watch the news either so I get my information from my fiance, not my mister's wife. My fiance is a Marine, we have had many debates before. The news is a terrible source of information. They tell what they want, they do nothing to help a cause. I still disagree with this war, but I support my fiance. He knows that the military is fighting for our country's security, not just for power and money...
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:55 pm
It is Religous in origin. Sorry but I have family that work at the readiness center and He jumped up on the counter and yelled something in muslim or whatever before he opened fire. This is ridiculous honestly. PTSD is for those who have actually witnessed something tramatic. As far as i know this coward was a doctor who did the screenings for those who are going to iraq. As far as I know he was never in iraq or the middle east for that matter. AND he was put under survelance on the last base he was in for radical behavior. Thus he was sent to Ft. Hood. Yeah. And did anyone know that the undie bomber from Detriot and him where having converstations. Yeah i think ptsd is a lame excuse for a terrorist attack, of certian proportions. 13 people killed and some 30 some others injured.
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