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 Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:17 pm
Manda18 Sickly Psycho Manda18 Sickly Psycho I guess I'm really lucky that I am able to live a vegan life style. Getting protein is the hardest part but I think I'm doing fine with that. I feel slightly weird because I don't eat animal products and the rest of the world seems to be diving into this only meat diet plan. I don't know what would happen if I suddenly tried to eat meat now. I suppose I would get sick since the thought alone makes me queezy. It would most likely make you sick, because your body is not used to meat anymore and will reject it. Thats what happened to me. Sometimes I wish I could give up dairy too, but that is where I get my protien.... so... I may try that once I move out.... I can hardly get away with veggie here let alone vegan....thanks for that advice though
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:16 am
Me and my friends have formed a coven a long time ago, we made it past our year and a day intact but now.. its like neither of us have time to get together and do anything and I'm thinking about just reverting back to simple solitary wicca. I know I dont have to quit the coven to do it but should I?
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:42 pm
Melianythe Me and my friends have formed a coven a long time ago, we made it past our year and a day intact but now.. its like neither of us have time to get together and do anything and I'm thinking about just reverting back to simple solitary wicca. I know I dont have to quit the coven to do it but should I?
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:52 pm
Well, I'm sure a few of you guys have been put in this same situation, but I sorta need some help on what to do.
At my school, my teachers and a few of my friends are Christians. I used to wear a pentacle necklace at the beginning of the year... But I've been hiding it under my shirt lately because of those teachers/friends have been eyeing it like it's evil.
Now, many of the christians at my school really don't even know what a pentacle is. They'll look at it and say that it's a pretty necklace, or whatever.
But I just have an issue with my teachers being upset about it. One of my favourite teachers has been quite mean to me ever since he's realized I've been wearing it.
Any advice?
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:00 pm
MorbidHamster123 Well, I'm sure a few of you guys have been put in this same situation, but I sorta need some help on what to do. At my school, my teachers and a few of my friends are Christians. I used to wear a pentacle necklace at the beginning of the year... But I've been hiding it under my shirt lately because of those teachers/friends have been eyeing it like it's evil. Now, many of the christians at my school really don't even know what a pentacle is. They'll look at it and say that it's a pretty necklace, or whatever. But I just have an issue with my teachers being upset about it. One of my favourite teachers has been quite mean to me ever since he's realized I've been wearing it. Any advice?
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:19 pm
Ivy_tsuki MorbidHamster123 Well, I'm sure a few of you guys have been put in this same situation, but I sorta need some help on what to do. At my school, my teachers and a few of my friends are Christians. I used to wear a pentacle necklace at the beginning of the year... But I've been hiding it under my shirt lately because of those teachers/friends have been eyeing it like it's evil. Now, many of the christians at my school really don't even know what a pentacle is. They'll look at it and say that it's a pretty necklace, or whatever. But I just have an issue with my teachers being upset about it. One of my favourite teachers has been quite mean to me ever since he's realized I've been wearing it. Any advice? Thanks Ivy. 3nodding I'll talk to him on Monday. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:41 pm
MorbidHamster123 Ivy_tsuki MorbidHamster123 Well, I'm sure a few of you guys have been put in this same situation, but I sorta need some help on what to do. At my school, my teachers and a few of my friends are Christians. I used to wear a pentacle necklace at the beginning of the year... But I've been hiding it under my shirt lately because of those teachers/friends have been eyeing it like it's evil. Now, many of the christians at my school really don't even know what a pentacle is. They'll look at it and say that it's a pretty necklace, or whatever. But I just have an issue with my teachers being upset about it. One of my favourite teachers has been quite mean to me ever since he's realized I've been wearing it. Any advice? Thanks Ivy. 3nodding I'll talk to him on Monday. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:07 pm
I have an odd question. I've seen quite a few posts telling people under 18 that they have to follow the faith that their parents have lay before them. Now, this makes two things come to mind. #1 that I was VERY blessed with the family I have, mostly - father didn't care about anything and mother supported my thrist for knowledge and need to leave the catholic church. #2 Is there some law or something I don't know about that causes this to be the case? Is there something that actually says they have to follow this? (yes, asking in ernest btw)
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:12 pm
Chelle the Cat I have an odd question. I've seen quite a few posts telling people under 18 that they have to follow the faith that their parents have lay before them. Now, this makes two things come to mind. #1 that I was VERY blessed with the family I have, mostly - father didn't care about anything and mother supported my thrist for knowledge and need to leave the catholic church. #2 Is there some law or something I don't know about that causes this to be the case? Is there something that actually says they have to follow this? (yes, asking in ernest btw)
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:17 am
Manda18 Chelle the Cat I have an odd question. I've seen quite a few posts telling people under 18 that they have to follow the faith that their parents have lay before them. Now, this makes two things come to mind. #1 that I was VERY blessed with the family I have, mostly - father didn't care about anything and mother supported my thrist for knowledge and need to leave the catholic church. #2 Is there some law or something I don't know about that causes this to be the case? Is there something that actually says they have to follow this? (yes, asking in ernest btw) Odd, I've never heard of anything like that applying to something like religion. I knew that you had to go to school and all that jazz, but didn't know you could be "forced" to be a certian religion.
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:18 am
If your parents consent to your religious choice, then you do not have to follow theirs.
It's those parents that drag kids to church regardless, demanding that they be Christian... unfortunately, if you're a minor, you don't really have a choice. You can practice your faith in private, but publicly and legally you are what your parents say you are. So you go to church when your parents say you go to church.
Of course, they can't stop you from using churchtime for quiet meditation... *wink*
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:57 pm
Ummy If your parents consent to your religious choice, then you do not have to follow theirs. It's those parents that drag kids to church regardless, demanding that they be Christian... unfortunately, if you're a minor, you don't really have a choice. You can practice your faith in private, but publicly and legally you are what your parents say you are. So you go to church when your parents say you go to church. Of course, they can't stop you from using churchtime for quiet meditation... *wink*
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:27 pm
Okay, after a bit of research I've found out that in the majority of states, there is no LAW that states you have to follow your parents religious choice. The only thing you DO have to worry about is of course the consequences from your parents for "rebelling" against their wishes. I'm still looking into this matter though.
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 4:23 pm
Chelle the Cat Okay, after a bit of research I've found out that in the majority of states, there is no LAW that states you have to follow your parents religious choice. The only thing you DO have to worry about is of course the consequences from your parents for "rebelling" against their wishes. I'm still looking into this matter though.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:10 am
You probably won't find an exact law word for word in any state constitution. Instead, we need to look at the results of Supreme Court Cases: Wisconsin V. Yoder, 1972 Quote: This case involves the fundamental interest of parents, as contrasted with that of the state, to guide the religious future and education of their children. The historyand culture of Western civilization reflect a strong tradition of parental concern for the nurture and upbringing of their children. This primary role of the parents in the upbringing of their children is now established beyond debate as an enduring tradition. Quote: Thus a state’s interest in universal education, however highly we rank it, is not totally free from a balancing process when it impinges on fundamental rights and interests, such as those specifically protected by the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment, and the traditional interest of parents with respect to the religious upbringing of their children . . . This case involves the fundamental and religious future and education of their children. Pierce V Society of Sisters, 1925 Quote: The fundamental theory of liberty upon which all governments in this Union repose excluded any general power of the state to standardize its children by forcing them to accept instruction from public teachers only. The child is not the mere creature of the state; those who nurture him and direct his destiny have the right and the high duty, to recognize and prepare him for additional obligations. Employment Division of Oregon v Smith, 1990 Quote: ut the Free Exercise Clause in conjunction with other constitutional protections such as ... the right of parents, acknowledged in Pierce v. Society of Sisters, 268 U.S. 510 (1925), to direct the education of their children, see Wisconsin v. Yoder, 406 U.S.205 (1972) invalidating compulsory-attendance laws as applied to Amish parents who refused on religious grounds to send their children to school. Quote: Yoder said that “The Court’s holding in Pierce stands as a charter for the rights of parents to direct the religious upbringing of their children. There are a number more, but these should suffice. Now... a lot of these cases began as objections to state laws that required PUBLIC schooling. Parents argued that they had the right to send their children to religious schools. Time and again, the Supreme court has ruled that parents have the right to raise their children (minors) in a way that the parent sees fit, unless the parental upbringing causes physical harm to the child. This includes matters of religion. Even the few court cases that have not gone in favor of the parents, it has not been because the courts were acknowledging the religious freedoms of the child, but for other reasons related to the cases. Bottom line is... no, you probably won't find a law that blatantly says "Minors must practice their parents' religion". But the fact that parents have the right to direct the religious upbringing of their children falls under the Supreme Court's ruling in regards to Amendments 1 and 14 of the US Constitution. ---- For the curious... This PDF file sums up a lot of Parental Rights Supreme Court Cases... http://www.hslda.org/docs/GetDoc.asp?DocID=75&FormatTypeID=PDF
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