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 Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:29 am
Nice place you've got here guys. Let's change that. whee lovelybutterfly21 Do you know what sin is? Do you know what repent is? Sin is disobeying God, essentially slapping him in the face. Repentance is turning away from sin and truly being sorry for what you did and not doing it again. If you can't understand why god would punish you, his creation, for slapping him in the face, then you must not have a good understanding of god. The sacrifice covered sin so that you could repent and have a relationship with god. The price of sin is death, our price has been paid by jesus. We can stop fooling around with offending our creator and love him and do what we were created to do without fear of hell! Love god and each other, with the innocence of a child. Perverse "love" is not love. Tell ya what. Show me a man who doesn't sin, and I'll show you Jesus. xd Quote: um yes any lust you feel no matter what gender is sin. when it is love it is not. This is true, considering the biblical definition of lust. However, I fear you are using it in the modern sense, i.e. any sexual attraction. Quote: What most people have a hard time understanding is that homosexuality is not natural. Eh, same-sex intercourse occurs in several different species actually. Including the bonobo, one of our closest genetic cousins iirc. 3nodding Quote: women were created for men to take as companions. We were made for each other. We were not created to make love to someone of the same gender. Now you see, this very much strikes me as the old standby of "If X, then not Y" Just because it's stated man and women are made for each-other, that doesn't necessarily mean that two men being together is wrong. For example, if I say "You can eat as much cake as you want" that's not necessarily a prohibition against all other forms of food except cake. Quote: That comes from perversion of the body, manipulation of the heart, and deception of the mind. Care to show us how you came to this enlightened conclusion perchance? Quote: Bondage to pleasure and sin is what deceives you into believing homosexuality is hunky dory. Oddly enough, pleasure and bondage have only been very slightly involved in what same-sex relationships I've had before. Things like respect, love, and mutual trust have been the more defining factors. Quote: God loves you yes but every time you think of sleeping with someone of the same gender or different, unless you are married, you are slapping god in the face and throwing his love back at him. Eh, everyone sins, all the time, that was kinda the point of Jesus. Quote: I have personally been dealing with this issue. The lust part. Honestly? It kinda sounds like you might be dealing with the other part too. But hey, some of us have been there, and if you wanna talk about it, there's always PMs. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:57 am
Ravynne Sidhe XXDemonic TwinkieXX violette lumineux ❝My pastor once said an awesome thing: Sin doesn't keep you from Heaven or God. Jesus sacrifice covers past, present, AND future sin.
So even if it is a sin, God forgives them! :]❞ I hope you know your pastor lied to you. That does not make much sense to me because if it covers all sin why do we have to repent? Why do people go to hell if it covers all sin please explain this to me. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I think what you're forgetting is that Jesus forgives us for our sins regardless of what they are. However the problem with homosexuality being a sin is that homosexuality is the state of being. It's something that is very much apart of our personality as a human being. So how can being yourself be a sin? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' You misunderstood my post I know he will forgive us but you have to mean what you say when your repent. That is the problem with some Christians today.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:29 pm
XXDemonic TwinkieXX Ravynne Sidhe XXDemonic TwinkieXX violette lumineux ❝My pastor once said an awesome thing: Sin doesn't keep you from Heaven or God. Jesus sacrifice covers past, present, AND future sin.
So even if it is a sin, God forgives them! :]❞ I hope you know your pastor lied to you. That does not make much sense to me because if it covers all sin why do we have to repent? Why do people go to hell if it covers all sin please explain this to me. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I think what you're forgetting is that Jesus forgives us for our sins regardless of what they are. However the problem with homosexuality being a sin is that homosexuality is the state of being. It's something that is very much apart of our personality as a human being. So how can being yourself be a sin? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' You misunderstood my post I know he will forgive us but you have to mean what you say when your repent. That is the problem with some Christians today. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - That is true, however at what point is being yourself a sin? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:32 pm
What the hell are you talking about? I said in my post that he does forgive all sins but you have to repent and mean what you say I said nothing about it is a sin being yourself I am not talking about homosexuality or anything of that sort. Stop trying to mix up my words and trying to make yourself sound smarter.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:08 pm
being ourselves is sinning. then you have the extra aspects like trying to do as little sin or as much sin that then is in question. but just by living you are sinning, you have sinned, and you will sin. There is no getting around that.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:39 pm
XXDemonic TwinkieXX Ravynne Sidhe XXDemonic TwinkieXX violette lumineux ❝My pastor once said an awesome thing: Sin doesn't keep you from Heaven or God. Jesus sacrifice covers past, present, AND future sin.
So even if it is a sin, God forgives them! :]❞ I hope you know your pastor lied to you. That does not make much sense to me because if it covers all sin why do we have to repent? Why do people go to hell if it covers all sin please explain this to me. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I think what you're forgetting is that Jesus forgives us for our sins regardless of what they are. However the problem with homosexuality being a sin is that homosexuality is the state of being. It's something that is very much apart of our personality as a human being. So how can being yourself be a sin? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' You misunderstood my post I know he will forgive us but you have to mean what you say when your repent. That is the problem with some Christians today. Some Christians? The only people who don't mean it when they say it are just people who are repenting out of fear, and not actual belief, but we have no idea who those people are. And regardless, it still stands that because of Jesus sin doesn't keep you from God or Heaven.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:07 pm
violette lumineux XXDemonic TwinkieXX Ravynne Sidhe XXDemonic TwinkieXX violette lumineux ❝My pastor once said an awesome thing: Sin doesn't keep you from Heaven or God. Jesus sacrifice covers past, present, AND future sin.
So even if it is a sin, God forgives them! :]❞ I hope you know your pastor lied to you. That does not make much sense to me because if it covers all sin why do we have to repent? Why do people go to hell if it covers all sin please explain this to me. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I think what you're forgetting is that Jesus forgives us for our sins regardless of what they are. However the problem with homosexuality being a sin is that homosexuality is the state of being. It's something that is very much apart of our personality as a human being. So how can being yourself be a sin? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' You misunderstood my post I know he will forgive us but you have to mean what you say when your repent. That is the problem with some Christians today. Some Christians? The only people who don't mean it when they say it are just people who are repenting out of fear, and not actual belief, but we have no idea who those people are. And regardless, it still stands that because of Jesus sin doesn't keep you from God or Heaven. Love the bolded. Yeah just to add on if we could stop sinning in our earthly lives then why follow Christ? If we salvation comes from the Law then why does it "put a veil over our face"? The law is useful but the Law cannot bring you salvation and as Paul often states it can rob you of your salvation as well.
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:51 pm
rmcdra violette lumineux XXDemonic TwinkieXX Ravynne Sidhe XXDemonic TwinkieXX violette lumineux ❝My pastor once said an awesome thing: Sin doesn't keep you from Heaven or God. Jesus sacrifice covers past, present, AND future sin.
So even if it is a sin, God forgives them! :]❞ I hope you know your pastor lied to you. That does not make much sense to me because if it covers all sin why do we have to repent? Why do people go to hell if it covers all sin please explain this to me. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I think what you're forgetting is that Jesus forgives us for our sins regardless of what they are. However the problem with homosexuality being a sin is that homosexuality is the state of being. It's something that is very much apart of our personality as a human being. So how can being yourself be a sin? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' You misunderstood my post I know he will forgive us but you have to mean what you say when your repent. That is the problem with some Christians today. Some Christians? The only people who don't mean it when they say it are just people who are repenting out of fear, and not actual belief, but we have no idea who those people are. And regardless, it still stands that because of Jesus sin doesn't keep you from God or Heaven. Love the bolded. Yeah just to add on if we could stop sinning in our earthly lives then why follow Christ? If we salvation comes from the Law then why does it "put a veil over our face"? The law is useful but the Law cannot bring you salvation and as Paul often states it can rob you of your salvation as well. In one verse he even calls it dog s**t {In the original Hebrew}.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:16 am
Shipmaster Voro being ourselves is sinning. then you have the extra aspects like trying to do as little sin or as much sin that then is in question. but just by living you are sinning, you have sinned, and you will sin. There is no getting around that. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - If I recall, sin is the action not the state of being. So if being who we are, as YHVH created us, then how can a state of being be a sin? Wouldn't that be some sort of self-loathing complex? Wouldn't that mean by some crazy chance that YHVH must hate us if he considers a state of being or a simple attraction to be a sin? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:17 am
XXDemonic TwinkieXX What the hell are you talking about? I said in my post that he does forgive all sins but you have to repent and mean what you say I said nothing about it is a sin being yourself I am not talking about homosexuality or anything of that sort. Stop trying to mix up my words and trying to make yourself sound smarter. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - The thread isn't just about sin, but homosexuality being a sin, whether that's true or not. I'm tying what you said into the thread. neutral Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:04 am
Ravynne Sidhe Shipmaster Voro being ourselves is sinning. then you have the extra aspects like trying to do as little sin or as much sin that then is in question. but just by living you are sinning, you have sinned, and you will sin. There is no getting around that. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - If I recall, sin is the action not the state of being. So if being who we are, as YHVH created us, then how can a state of being be a sin? Wouldn't that be some sort of self-loathing complex? Wouldn't that mean by some crazy chance that YHVH must hate us if he considers a state of being or a simple attraction to be a sin? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' In Christianity there's two meanings or rather two views concerning sin. View one is sin = crime. This is typically seen in Western based Churches (catholic, protestant, mormon). The other view is sin = taboo. This is typical in eastern and more mystic oriented branches of Christianity. This is largely due in how the two division interpret Hell. Western Churches typically see Hell as an eternal separation from YHVH after death, sometimes involving some external punishment (burning in the lake of fire). Eastern Churches interpret Hell as being with YHVH when one doesn't want to be implying that the punishment is self-inflicted since one didn't make an effort to improve their relationship with YHVH before coming to him. When someone says "we live in sin", this normally means more of we are in a state away from YHVH. It's normally western Churches, usually those accepting a theological stance of Total Depravity, that take this to mean "we are born criminals".
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:12 am
rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe Shipmaster Voro being ourselves is sinning. then you have the extra aspects like trying to do as little sin or as much sin that then is in question. but just by living you are sinning, you have sinned, and you will sin. There is no getting around that. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - If I recall, sin is the action not the state of being. So if being who we are, as YHVH created us, then how can a state of being be a sin? Wouldn't that be some sort of self-loathing complex? Wouldn't that mean by some crazy chance that YHVH must hate us if he considers a state of being or a simple attraction to be a sin? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' In Christianity there's two meanings or rather two views concerning sin. View one is sin = crime. This is typically seen in Western based Churches (catholic, protestant, mormon). The other view is sin = taboo. This is typical in eastern and more mystic oriented branches of Christianity. This is largely due in how the two division interpret Hell. Western Churches typically see Hell as an eternal separation from YHVH after death, sometimes involving some external punishment (burning in the lake of fire). Eastern Churches interpret Hell as being with YHVH when one doesn't want to be implying that the punishment is self-inflicted since one didn't make an effort to improve their relationship with YHVH before coming to him. When someone says "we live in sin", this normally means more of we are in a state away from YHVH. It's normally western Churches, usually those accepting a theological stance of Total Depravity, that take this to mean "we are born criminals". `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Which totally goes against John Locke's Tabula Rasa. That we're born with a clean slate. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:19 am
Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe Shipmaster Voro being ourselves is sinning. then you have the extra aspects like trying to do as little sin or as much sin that then is in question. but just by living you are sinning, you have sinned, and you will sin. There is no getting around that. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - If I recall, sin is the action not the state of being. So if being who we are, as YHVH created us, then how can a state of being be a sin? Wouldn't that be some sort of self-loathing complex? Wouldn't that mean by some crazy chance that YHVH must hate us if he considers a state of being or a simple attraction to be a sin? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' In Christianity there's two meanings or rather two views concerning sin. View one is sin = crime. This is typically seen in Western based Churches (catholic, protestant, mormon). The other view is sin = taboo. This is typical in eastern and more mystic oriented branches of Christianity. This is largely due in how the two division interpret Hell. Western Churches typically see Hell as an eternal separation from YHVH after death, sometimes involving some external punishment (burning in the lake of fire). Eastern Churches interpret Hell as being with YHVH when one doesn't want to be implying that the punishment is self-inflicted since one didn't make an effort to improve their relationship with YHVH before coming to him. When someone says "we live in sin", this normally means more of we are in a state away from YHVH. It's normally western Churches, usually those accepting a theological stance of Total Depravity, that take this to mean "we are born criminals". `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Which totally goes against John Locke's Tabula Rasa. That we're born with a clean slate. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Yeah, I don't accept the view that we are criminals so I agree but just because we have a clean slate doesn't mean we aren't separated from God which is the whole point of why Christ is necessary to the religion in the first place. It should be noted that John Locke is English and obviously influenced by the sin = crime teachings.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:07 pm
rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe Shipmaster Voro being ourselves is sinning. then you have the extra aspects like trying to do as little sin or as much sin that then is in question. but just by living you are sinning, you have sinned, and you will sin. There is no getting around that. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - If I recall, sin is the action not the state of being. So if being who we are, as YHVH created us, then how can a state of being be a sin? Wouldn't that be some sort of self-loathing complex? Wouldn't that mean by some crazy chance that YHVH must hate us if he considers a state of being or a simple attraction to be a sin? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' In Christianity there's two meanings or rather two views concerning sin. View one is sin = crime. This is typically seen in Western based Churches (catholic, protestant, mormon). The other view is sin = taboo. This is typical in eastern and more mystic oriented branches of Christianity. This is largely due in how the two division interpret Hell. Western Churches typically see Hell as an eternal separation from YHVH after death, sometimes involving some external punishment (burning in the lake of fire). Eastern Churches interpret Hell as being with YHVH when one doesn't want to be implying that the punishment is self-inflicted since one didn't make an effort to improve their relationship with YHVH before coming to him. When someone says "we live in sin", this normally means more of we are in a state away from YHVH. It's normally western Churches, usually those accepting a theological stance of Total Depravity, that take this to mean "we are born criminals". `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Which totally goes against John Locke's Tabula Rasa. That we're born with a clean slate. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Yeah, I don't accept the view that we are criminals so I agree but just because we have a clean slate doesn't mean we aren't separated from God which is the whole point of why Christ is necessary to the religion in the first place. It should be noted that John Locke is English and obviously influenced by the sin = crime teachings. John Locke may have said that, but our hearts are not totally innocent at birth, we carry that seed of sin in our hearts from the time we are born and it grows as we age and live our lives in this world. it is what we do to minimize or maximize that sin that matters, we sin in our hearts and minds every day. the only thing we can do is hope to do it less and ask for forgiveness. we being born into sin and having these naturally sinning thoughts is not only our faults it is the faults of the ancestors we descend from...they had the chance to be clean and happy with god, and they chose not to(referencing Adam and Eve) and ate the forbidden fruit. After god said it was against the rules he set down so he punished them and all of humanity, and said if you want to be clean of your sins you must ask for forgiveness and declare Jesus Christ as our lord and savior, because there is no way to god and heaven except through Jesus Christ. This being because Jesus Christ took on our sin and paid the price. and now we ask for the salvation and when we do we receive it.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:24 pm
Shipmaster Voro rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe rmcdra Ravynne Sidhe Shipmaster Voro being ourselves is sinning. then you have the extra aspects like trying to do as little sin or as much sin that then is in question. but just by living you are sinning, you have sinned, and you will sin. There is no getting around that. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - If I recall, sin is the action not the state of being. So if being who we are, as YHVH created us, then how can a state of being be a sin? Wouldn't that be some sort of self-loathing complex? Wouldn't that mean by some crazy chance that YHVH must hate us if he considers a state of being or a simple attraction to be a sin? Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' In Christianity there's two meanings or rather two views concerning sin. View one is sin = crime. This is typically seen in Western based Churches (catholic, protestant, mormon). The other view is sin = taboo. This is typical in eastern and more mystic oriented branches of Christianity. This is largely due in how the two division interpret Hell. Western Churches typically see Hell as an eternal separation from YHVH after death, sometimes involving some external punishment (burning in the lake of fire). Eastern Churches interpret Hell as being with YHVH when one doesn't want to be implying that the punishment is self-inflicted since one didn't make an effort to improve their relationship with YHVH before coming to him. When someone says "we live in sin", this normally means more of we are in a state away from YHVH. It's normally western Churches, usually those accepting a theological stance of Total Depravity, that take this to mean "we are born criminals". `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Which totally goes against John Locke's Tabula Rasa. That we're born with a clean slate. Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Yeah, I don't accept the view that we are criminals so I agree but just because we have a clean slate doesn't mean we aren't separated from God which is the whole point of why Christ is necessary to the religion in the first place. It should be noted that John Locke is English and obviously influenced by the sin = crime teachings. John Locke may have said that, but our hearts are not totally innocent at birth, we carry that seed of sin in our hearts from the time we are born and it grows as we age and live our lives in this world. it is what we do to minimize or maximize that sin that matters, we sin in our hearts and minds every day. the only thing we can do is hope to do it less and ask for forgiveness. we being born into sin and having these naturally sinning thoughts is not only our faults it is the faults of the ancestors we descend from...they had the chance to be clean and happy with god, and they chose not to(referencing Adam and Eve) and ate the forbidden fruit. After god said it was against the rules he set down so he punished them and all of humanity, and said if you want to be clean of your sins you must ask for forgiveness and declare Jesus Christ as our lord and savior, because there is no way to god and heaven except through Jesus Christ. This being because Jesus Christ took on our sin and paid the price. and now we ask for the salvation and when we do we receive it. `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven.
Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - I'm sorry, but even though I am not a licensed psychologist I still have to call bullshit. When we are born we have NO idea of the existence of good and evil. We're unable to due to the fact that our brains are not yet fully developed to even comprehend what a sin or taboo is. I suggest you should read a bit of Jean Piaget and Erik Erikson when it comes to the development of children before trying to claim that we know good and evil when we're born, because in reality we don't really know the difference and are just exploring our brand new world. :3 Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!'
Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.'
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