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 Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:09 pm
MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor I second Anabantha. @MANA: It shall be used in order to fly to the northern lands and kidnap teh you! @MEGA: Dude, God is a macho man. talk2hand And yes, He did, but only those pure in their hearts can see them talk2hand *hinthint* if humankind was created in god's image...is not god both man and woman, yang and yin? although the old testament does flow with that good ol' destructive yang energy xp as for being pure in heart, i'm pure. pure evil twisted okay not really sweatdrop Jesus is God Himself, and he is a Man. anyway. you're pure fun (according to christianity). you're forgetting the father and the holy spirit (personally i think the yin energy would be in the holy spirit)... That's not it at all. He is NOT a manifestation of God. Luke 1:36, 1:39-45 testifies He was actually born a human being. Collosians 2:9 - For in Him the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily and you have been filled by Him who is the head over every ruler and authority.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:35 pm
My Hollow MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor I second Anabantha. @MANA: It shall be used in order to fly to the northern lands and kidnap teh you! @MEGA: Dude, God is a macho man. talk2hand And yes, He did, but only those pure in their hearts can see them talk2hand *hinthint* if humankind was created in god's image...is not god both man and woman, yang and yin? although the old testament does flow with that good ol' destructive yang energy xp as for being pure in heart, i'm pure. pure evil twisted okay not really sweatdrop Jesus is God Himself, and he is a Man. anyway. you're pure fun (according to christianity). you're forgetting the father and the holy spirit (personally i think the yin energy would be in the holy spirit)... That's not it at all. He is NOT a manifestation of God. Luke 1:36, 1:39-45 testifies He was actually born a human being. Collosians 2:9 - For in Him the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily and you have been filled by Him who is the head over every ruler and authority. or, in plain english, he is god manifested in human form. a human manifestation of god. let's revisit the concept of the trinity; that is, one god expressed in three persons. the father, son, and holy spirit do not share this divinity among themselves, yet each is god, whole and entire. i am not saying christ is not god (though that is my personal belief). what i am saying is that cruor only mentioned one part of the trinity, a masculine part, to say that god is masculine. but mankind was created in god's image, and since mankind has both masculine and feminine in it, god must also have a feminine element. the father and the son are quite stereotypically masculine. the holy spirit, by contrast, is stereotypically feminine - an eternal presence, it serves to open hearts and minds, to lend a gentle guiding hand to our actions, and to assist us (not to force or lead, which are masculine qualities but to guide, which is a feminine quality) in our journey. it seems logical, then, that the feminine in humankind would come from the holy spirit. or perhaps it was the term "manifestation" which you had a problem with. the reason i used that term was simplicity - it's easier to say (and understand) "jesus is a manifestation of god" than it is to explain clearly the fundamental concepts behind the holy trinity on an internet forum! you and victum may already understand the concept, but that doesn't mean everyone else does. so i chose simplicity over rigid academic terminology, though in the end the point is the same.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:44 pm
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:05 pm
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:44 pm
My Hollow MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor I second Anabantha. @MANA: It shall be used in order to fly to the northern lands and kidnap teh you! @MEGA: Dude, God is a macho man. talk2hand And yes, He did, but only those pure in their hearts can see them talk2hand *hinthint* if humankind was created in god's image...is not god both man and woman, yang and yin? although the old testament does flow with that good ol' destructive yang energy xp as for being pure in heart, i'm pure. pure evil twisted okay not really sweatdrop Jesus is God Himself, and he is a Man. anyway. you're pure fun (according to christianity). you're forgetting the father and the holy spirit (personally i think the yin energy would be in the holy spirit)... That's not it at all. He is NOT a manifestation of God. Luke 1:36, 1:39-45 testifies He was actually born a human being. Collosians 2:9 - For in Him the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily and you have been filled by Him who is the head over every ruler and authority. also, that collosians quote, to me, implies a duality. he was born a human being, but IN him is the fullness of god's nature... DWELLING within his body. that implies a duality (to me) that he's not even god, but has god in him. of course, that is not standard christian thought, and i will not argue that point, i'm just saying that probably wasnt the best quote to use in order to illustrate your point
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:56 pm
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:10 pm
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:08 pm
MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 if humankind was created in god's image...is not god both man and woman, yang and yin? although the old testament does flow with that good ol' destructive yang energy xp as for being pure in heart, i'm pure. pure evil twisted okay not really sweatdrop Jesus is God Himself, and he is a Man. anyway. you're pure fun (according to christianity). you're forgetting the father and the holy spirit (personally i think the yin energy would be in the holy spirit)... That's not it at all. He is NOT a manifestation of God. Luke 1:36, 1:39-45 testifies He was actually born a human being. Collosians 2:9 - For in Him the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily and you have been filled by Him who is the head over every ruler and authority. also, that collosians quote, to me, implies a duality. he was born a human being, but IN him is the fullness of god's nature... DWELLING within his body. that implies a duality (to me) that he's not even god, but has god in him. of course, that is not standard christian thought, and i will not argue that point, i'm just saying that probably wasnt the best quote to use in order to illustrate your point *runs away* I fear christian theology arguments. its like chasing ones tail.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:11 pm
lotusvoid MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 if humankind was created in god's image...is not god both man and woman, yang and yin? although the old testament does flow with that good ol' destructive yang energy xp as for being pure in heart, i'm pure. pure evil twisted okay not really sweatdrop Jesus is God Himself, and he is a Man. anyway. you're pure fun (according to christianity). you're forgetting the father and the holy spirit (personally i think the yin energy would be in the holy spirit)... That's not it at all. He is NOT a manifestation of God. Luke 1:36, 1:39-45 testifies He was actually born a human being. Collosians 2:9 - For in Him the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily and you have been filled by Him who is the head over every ruler and authority. also, that collosians quote, to me, implies a duality. he was born a human being, but IN him is the fullness of god's nature... DWELLING within his body. that implies a duality (to me) that he's not even god, but has god in him. of course, that is not standard christian thought, and i will not argue that point, i'm just saying that probably wasnt the best quote to use in order to illustrate your point *runs away* I fear christian theology arguments. its like chasing ones tail. come, now, they're fun. razz
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:32 pm
MegaTherion777 lotusvoid MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 jesus was one manifestation of god (according to christianity). you're forgetting the father and the holy spirit (personally i think the yin energy would be in the holy spirit)... That's not it at all. He is NOT a manifestation of God. Luke 1:36, 1:39-45 testifies He was actually born a human being. Collosians 2:9 - For in Him the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily and you have been filled by Him who is the head over every ruler and authority. also, that collosians quote, to me, implies a duality. he was born a human being, but IN him is the fullness of god's nature... DWELLING within his body. that implies a duality (to me) that he's not even god, but has god in him. of course, that is not standard christian thought, and i will not argue that point, i'm just saying that probably wasnt the best quote to use in order to illustrate your point *runs away* I fear christian theology arguments. its like chasing ones tail. come, now, they're fun. razz nuhhuh... you are trying to trick me. Oh and old man's child (post cover band era of course)
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:21 pm
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:16 pm
lotusvoid MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 if humankind was created in god's image...is not god both man and woman, yang and yin? although the old testament does flow with that good ol' destructive yang energy xp as for being pure in heart, i'm pure. pure evil twisted okay not really sweatdrop Jesus is God Himself, and he is a Man. anyway. you're pure fun (according to christianity). you're forgetting the father and the holy spirit (personally i think the yin energy would be in the holy spirit)... That's not it at all. He is NOT a manifestation of God. Luke 1:36, 1:39-45 testifies He was actually born a human being. Collosians 2:9 - For in Him the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily and you have been filled by Him who is the head over every ruler and authority. also, that collosians quote, to me, implies a duality. he was born a human being, but IN him is the fullness of god's nature... DWELLING within his body. that implies a duality (to me) that he's not even god, but has god in him. of course, that is not standard christian thought, and i will not argue that point, i'm just saying that probably wasnt the best quote to use in order to illustrate your point *runs away* I fear christian theology arguments. I think, in my own personal opinion that its like chasing ones tail. fixed.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:20 pm
Divinus Cruor lotusvoid MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 jesus was one manifestation of god (according to christianity). you're forgetting the father and the holy spirit (personally i think the yin energy would be in the holy spirit)... That's not it at all. He is NOT a manifestation of God. Luke 1:36, 1:39-45 testifies He was actually born a human being. Collosians 2:9 - For in Him the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily and you have been filled by Him who is the head over every ruler and authority. also, that collosians quote, to me, implies a duality. he was born a human being, but IN him is the fullness of god's nature... DWELLING within his body. that implies a duality (to me) that he's not even god, but has god in him. of course, that is not standard christian thought, and i will not argue that point, i'm just saying that probably wasnt the best quote to use in order to illustrate your point *runs away* I fear christian theology arguments. I think, in my own personal opinion that its like chasing ones tail. fixed. hey man, i'm interested to hear your opinion on my interpretation of the trinity. do you think i missed something, or was hollow just arguing the specific terms i used? she hasnt been online to respond all day
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:20 am
MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 if humankind was created in god's image...is not god both man and woman, yang and yin? although the old testament does flow with that good ol' destructive yang energy xp as for being pure in heart, i'm pure. pure evil twisted okay not really sweatdrop Jesus is God Himself, and he is a Man. anyway. you're pure fun (according to christianity). you're forgetting the father and the holy spirit (personally i think the yin energy would be in the holy spirit)... That's not it at all. He is NOT a manifestation of God. Luke 1:36, 1:39-45 testifies He was actually born a human being. Collosians 2:9 - For in Him the entire fullness of God's nature dwells bodily and you have been filled by Him who is the head over every ruler and authority. or, in plain english, he is god manifested in human form. a human manifestation of god. let's revisit the concept of the trinity; that is, one god expressed in three persons. the father, son, and holy spirit do not share this divinity among themselves, yet each is god, whole and entire. i am not saying christ is not god (though that is my personal belief). what i am saying is that cruor only mentioned one part of the trinity, a masculine part, to say that god is masculine. but mankind was created in god's image, and since mankind has both masculine and feminine in it, god must also have a feminine element. the father and the son are quite stereotypically masculine. the holy spirit, by contrast, is stereotypically feminine - an eternal presence, it serves to open hearts and minds, to lend a gentle guiding hand to our actions, and to assist us (not to force or lead, which are masculine qualities but to guide, which is a feminine quality) in our journey. it seems logical, then, that the feminine in humankind would come from the holy spirit. or perhaps it was the term "manifestation" which you had a problem with. the reason i used that term was simplicity - it's easier to say (and understand) "jesus is a manifestation of god" than it is to explain clearly the fundamental concepts behind the holy trinity on an internet forum! you and victum may already understand the concept, but that doesn't mean everyone else does. so i chose simplicity over rigid academic terminology, though in the end the point is the same. I don't quite get your point here. If what you're saying is that you believe God has both feminine and masculine characteristics, I do believe that, though I see no reason why so-called "female" characteristics should be confined to the Holy Spirit. Jesus healed the sick, He wept, he comforted those around Him...characteristics you might see as "feminine" but I would just call desirable or godly characteristics. As far as your discussion of Jesus as the "manifestation" of God, in the Incarnation, which is what we're talking about...what the Bible teaches is that Jesus is fully God and fully man. If you don't care for the verse I used here is another one.John 14:28 "I and the Father are one (word means "one in essence" in original language). But let me ask you a question. You talk about the Trinity and male/female issues of God but..can you just tell me why you believe Christianity is not true? Can you offer me some good sound reasons why I should not believe its true or at least why its not reasonable to believe its true? For example, I have some excellent reasons for believing in the existence of God, and in particular, in the God of the Christian Bible. I also have excellent evidences for the historical reliability of the scriptures. What are you basing your beliefs or non-beliefs on? Also, If you're ever interested in the subject of Philosophy two of the greatest philosphers in the US, William Lane Craig and J.P. Moreland, are both devout Christians, and have written some interesting books that you might find enlightening...or at least amusing? smile I can give you the titles if you want.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:54 am
Wow, religious talk all of a sudden. =o I better not take part or you'll lynch me.
Bal-Sagoth
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