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 Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:31 pm
Kimyanji F. Fritzi Wow. I've just heard the Egyptian dialect was affected by Ancient Egyptian. That's just too cool. I want to study the Egyptian dialect. 0.0 Can anyone speak it and give some examples? smile Actually, I think that Egyptian Arabic is influenced by both Greek and Coptic (which is a decendent of Ancient Egyptian)... Linguistically, it is VERY similar to later Classical Arabic vocabulary-wise, but the pronounciation is different for a lot of letters. For example: Classical Q = Egyptian A (glotal stop) Classical J = Egyptian g Classical Th (as in "thing") = Egyptian S Classical Dh (as in " the" = Egyptian Z (Qalb = Alb = Heart) (Jameel = Gameel = Beautiful or Handsom) Egyptian is the most famous because Egypt was in the forfront when it comes to TV/Radio media amongst Arab countries. Ooh, I was hoping you'd come over here. ^^ Yay. It would probably take a long time to adjust to those changes if I ever take Egyptian Arabic. 0.0 How weird.
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:27 pm
I'm studying Egyptian Arabic because I hope to study abroad there for an Egyptology degree. It's a pretty language, but it's easier for me to speak it than write it. sweatdrop I still have much to learn.
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:06 pm
Nevira Shadowfire I'm studying Egyptian Arabic because I hope to study abroad there for an Egyptology degree. It's a pretty language, but it's easier for me to speak it than write it. sweatdrop I still have much to learn. You're the exact opposite of me. ^^ What part of writing is harder for you though? The alphabet, or is it something else?
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:23 pm
F. Fritzi Nevira Shadowfire I'm studying Egyptian Arabic because I hope to study abroad there for an Egyptology degree. It's a pretty language, but it's easier for me to speak it than write it. sweatdrop I still have much to learn. You're the exact opposite of me. ^^ What part of writing is harder for you though? The alphabet, or is it something else? The alphabet. Initial? Medial? Final? Gaaah! I'm confused! crying At least that's what I thought at first. I've gotten better but it's still difficult.
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:14 am
Nevira Shadowfire F. Fritzi Nevira Shadowfire I'm studying Egyptian Arabic because I hope to study abroad there for an Egyptology degree. It's a pretty language, but it's easier for me to speak it than write it. sweatdrop I still have much to learn. You're the exact opposite of me. ^^ What part of writing is harder for you though? The alphabet, or is it something else? The alphabet. Initial? Medial? Final? Gaaah! I'm confused! crying At least that's what I thought at first. I've gotten better but it's still difficult. Oh. ^^ That's the part it wouldn't be as easy to help you with. I suppose the solution should be practice, practice and yet some more practice. smile Just write stuff. A lot. Eventually you'll get it right. ^^
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:02 am
F. Fritzi Nevira Shadowfire F. Fritzi Nevira Shadowfire I'm studying Egyptian Arabic because I hope to study abroad there for an Egyptology degree. It's a pretty language, but it's easier for me to speak it than write it. sweatdrop I still have much to learn. You're the exact opposite of me. ^^ What part of writing is harder for you though? The alphabet, or is it something else? The alphabet. Initial? Medial? Final? Gaaah! I'm confused! crying At least that's what I thought at first. I've gotten better but it's still difficult. Oh. ^^ That's the part it wouldn't be as easy to help you with. I suppose the solution should be practice, practice and yet some more practice. smile Just write stuff. A lot. Eventually you'll get it right. ^^ Very true! 3nodding I hope this picture is helpful... It took me a while working on it for my students: basically, if you have only two forms, it means that the letter is never connected from the left, hence can be either beginning (initial) or terminal (ending) form. 
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:03 am
Arabic Grammar (yes, I'm that bored):
There are three kinds of Arabic words:
Nouns (Asma' أسماء) (that describe an entity or concept) (names, objects, concepts, actions...ect.)
Verbes (Af''aal أفعال) (that describe action) (past, presemt and requestive)
Perposations/tools (Huroof/Adawat حروف/أدوات) (that support the meaning)
There are also two kinds of sentences
Noun Sentences (Jumal Ismiyya جمل اسمية) (that normally start with a noun)
Verb Sentences (Jumal Fi''liyya جمل فعلية) (that normally start with a verb)
Noun sentences are normally simpler and consist of a subject (Mubtada' مبتدأ) and end with a predicate (Khabar خبر)
The simplest Sentence in Arabic consists of two words, both أسماء, one acts as a subject, and the other as a predicate that describes the subject.
Examples:
السَماء صافِية
The sky (is) clear
اِفْريقْيا قارّة
Africa (is) (a) continent
القَلَم مَكْسور
The pencil/pen (is) broken
As you can see, there are no verbs whatsoever in these kinds of simple sentences. That's why, when I translate them, I put the verb-to-be in perentheses. Sorry, but I might have to do the transliteration later if needed... maybe I should at least add the Harakaat (short vowels)
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:12 am
Perhaps you could, please, teach me how the 9th conjugation works? In school they've decided to just give up on it because they have claimed it unuseful - but I don't like getting only half a job done. What does it look like? What happens to it in the different verb types?
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:41 pm
F. Fritzi Perhaps you could, please, teach me how the 9th conjugation works? In school they've decided to just give up on it because they have claimed it unuseful - but I don't like getting only half a job done. What does it look like? What happens to it in the different verb types? I never knew what you meant by a "9th" conjugation at first. When I googled it, I found this: Google Ninth-conjugation verbs are all denominatives of adjectives of color or defect, eg /?almaru/ 'red', /'ilgnar.a/ 'he blushed'; /? ... I think the reason they skipped it was that it isn't commonly used. I myself can't think of a lot of situations for it. The best example, as stated has to do with colors. اخْضَرَّ، يَخْضَرُّ فهو أَخْضَر (he became/turned green, he is becoming/turning green then he is green) It's kinda like saying: فعل، بفعل فهو فاعل (he did, he does, then he is doer) اخضر الزرع (The vegitation turned green) احمر وجهها (Her face turned red, or she blushed) اسودت السماء (The sky turned dark (or black)) I don't remember addressing it that way when I was in high school. It might be because we were native speakers, we didn't have to go through too much detail. I was aware of such conjugations, but I never paid attention to how many there were. I guess when you're a native speaker, you tend to take some things for granted.
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:34 pm
Oh yes, obviously. Well, what my teacher told me at the time was that this conjugation is only for something/one turning a colour or becoming handicapped (as in, blind, deaf, amputee...).
I suppose I'll have to search grammar books for it, there's quite a variety of good ones. I've just got a bundle from my grandmother, it seems like I'll be picking on the thread for a while when I start messing with those.
There are 10, by the way. ^^ That's 3 more than Hebrew has, just to wave some more useless information in your face. wink
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:37 am
F. Fritzi Oh yes, obviously. Well, what my teacher told me at the time was that this conjugation is only for something/one turning a colour or becoming handicapped (as in, blind, deaf, amputee...). I suppose I'll have to search grammar books for it, there's quite a variety of good ones. I've just got a bundle from my grandmother, it seems like I'll be picking on the thread for a while when I start messing with those. There are 10, by the way. ^^ That's 3 more than Hebrew has, just to wave some more useless information in your face. wink Useless? Not at all!!! xd I red that chapter in the online book I found through google. There are 10, as you said, and I noticed at some parts, when discussing certain rules, they sometimes skip the 9th. Only thing I can point out about it is that it's intransitive.
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:53 am
Kimyanji F. Fritzi Oh yes, obviously. Well, what my teacher told me at the time was that this conjugation is only for something/one turning a colour or becoming handicapped (as in, blind, deaf, amputee...). I suppose I'll have to search grammar books for it, there's quite a variety of good ones. I've just got a bundle from my grandmother, it seems like I'll be picking on the thread for a while when I start messing with those. There are 10, by the way. ^^ That's 3 more than Hebrew has, just to wave some more useless information in your face. wink Useless? Not at all!!! xd I red that chapter in the online book I found through google. There are 10, as you said, and I noticed at some parts, when discussing certain rules, they sometimes skip the 9th. Only thing I can point out about it is that it's intransitive. I suppose they did it because there are very few verbs that are used in the 9th, and it's possible some rules just don't occur on those verbs.
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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:10 pm
eek Wow...thanks for the help, Kimyanji cool That cleared up stuff I wasn't sure about.
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