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 Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:29 pm
Ixor-san Lethkhar Ixor-san I'm a little torn on the whole evolution thing. There's plenty of evidence for both theories. There's also plenty of holes in both. Let's face it, science is a human invention and is just as flawed as we are, whether it is Christian or secular. Unfortunately, no secular scientist wants to admit that maybe they are every bit as in the dark as they think we are. It's a losing battle. They're just too hard-headed to listen. Actually, any scientist worth his/her salt would openly admit that they know almost nothing about the universe. Pity there seem to be so few of them... Millions, actually. Which, considering the scope of the universe, I suppose is a very insignificant number. It's all relative. Speaking of which, relativity is probably the coolest scientific concept ever.
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:39 pm
Lethkhar Ixor-san Lethkhar Ixor-san I'm a little torn on the whole evolution thing. There's plenty of evidence for both theories. There's also plenty of holes in both. Let's face it, science is a human invention and is just as flawed as we are, whether it is Christian or secular. Unfortunately, no secular scientist wants to admit that maybe they are every bit as in the dark as they think we are. It's a losing battle. They're just too hard-headed to listen. Actually, any scientist worth his/her salt would openly admit that they know almost nothing about the universe. Pity there seem to be so few of them... Millions, actually. Which, considering the scope of the universe, I suppose is a very insignificant number. It's all relative. Speaking of which, relativity is probably the coolest scientific concept ever. E=mc2 (sorry, no superscript)!!!!!! Sorry, I can't think very well. I've spent the past week puking, having coughing fits, and generally feeling like krap. I have the flu!!!!!! emo
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:44 pm
GuardianAngel44 E=mc2 (sorry, no superscript)!!!!!! Sorry, I can't think very well. I've spent the past week puking, having coughing fits, and generally feeling like krap. I have the flu!!!!!! emo Which, ironically, is probably the best argument AGAINST creation. lol. Nothing can be created, nothing can be destroyed. *ponders*
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:08 am
Lethkhar Ixor-san Lethkhar Ixor-san I'm a little torn on the whole evolution thing. There's plenty of evidence for both theories. There's also plenty of holes in both. Let's face it, science is a human invention and is just as flawed as we are, whether it is Christian or secular. Unfortunately, no secular scientist wants to admit that maybe they are every bit as in the dark as they think we are. It's a losing battle. They're just too hard-headed to listen. Actually, any scientist worth his/her salt would openly admit that they know almost nothing about the universe. Pity there seem to be so few of them... Millions, actually. Which, considering the scope of the universe, I suppose is a very insignificant number. It's all relative. Speaking of which, relativity is probably the coolest scientific concept ever.
As far as I can tell, those that get any kind of media attention, anyway, seem awfully sure about what they do know. As if they couldn't possibly be wrong about what they have learned.
Unfortunately, I suppose it has always been the most obnoxious of any belief system (using the term, loosely, here) that tend to scream the loudest and get the most attention....
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:38 pm
Ixor-san Lethkhar Ixor-san Lethkhar Ixor-san I'm a little torn on the whole evolution thing. There's plenty of evidence for both theories. There's also plenty of holes in both. Let's face it, science is a human invention and is just as flawed as we are, whether it is Christian or secular. Unfortunately, no secular scientist wants to admit that maybe they are every bit as in the dark as they think we are. It's a losing battle. They're just too hard-headed to listen. Actually, any scientist worth his/her salt would openly admit that they know almost nothing about the universe. Pity there seem to be so few of them... Millions, actually. Which, considering the scope of the universe, I suppose is a very insignificant number. It's all relative. Speaking of which, relativity is probably the coolest scientific concept ever.
As far as I can tell, those that get any kind of media attention, anyway, seem awfully sure about what they do know. As if they couldn't possibly be wrong about what they have learned.
Unfortunately, I suppose it has always been the most obnoxious of any belief system (using the term, loosely, here) that tend to scream the loudest and get the most attention....I'm like that. I have no doubt whatsoever about what I have learned. But I don't scream into cameras about it.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:50 pm
Ixor-san Unfortunately, I suppose it has always been the most obnoxious of any belief system (using the term, loosely, here) that tend to scream the loudest and get the most attention.... Oh dear, too true. Too true indeed.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:37 pm
Ixor-san Lethkhar Ixor-san Lethkhar Ixor-san I'm a little torn on the whole evolution thing. There's plenty of evidence for both theories. There's also plenty of holes in both. Let's face it, science is a human invention and is just as flawed as we are, whether it is Christian or secular. Unfortunately, no secular scientist wants to admit that maybe they are every bit as in the dark as they think we are. It's a losing battle. They're just too hard-headed to listen. Actually, any scientist worth his/her salt would openly admit that they know almost nothing about the universe. Pity there seem to be so few of them... Millions, actually. Which, considering the scope of the universe, I suppose is a very insignificant number. It's all relative. Speaking of which, relativity is probably the coolest scientific concept ever.
As far as I can tell, those that get any kind of media attention, anyway, seem awfully sure about what they do know. As if they couldn't possibly be wrong about what they have learned. Well, they speak like that for 2 reasons: 1) The evidence is extremely convincing and, quite frankly, it's not that interesting to even argue about the existance of evolution anymore because it's so glaringly obvious. 2) Within all of science there is the underlying assumption that what we sense is correct. All scientists realize this underlying assumption, and because it is an assumption they assume that it goes without saying. However, science openly admits that it could be wrong because it does make one assumption. Quote: Unfortunately, I suppose it has always been the most obnoxious of any belief system (using the term, loosely, here) that tend to scream the loudest and get the most attention.... You're historically incorrect, given science's persecution for the major part of its existance, but I suppose you don't like history, either. Now, I would assume that science gets a large amount of attention because it actually achieves things and it's probably the most far-reaching "belief system" in the world; crossing cultures all over the world. I don't know about "screaming", though. Evangelists seem to do a lot more of that than scientists, especially considering how few Evangelists there are compared to scientifically minded people, but that's only based off of what I've seen.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:44 pm
This is such an involved thread that to begin debating, I would have to read the whole thing. Blech. Oh well. Not ALL scientists find evolution to be glaringly obvious. Each person thinks that their own belief system is obvious(well, most do), which is why they pigheadedly tell each other how stupid they are for not realizing something that is CLEARLY obvious and only an IDIOT wouldn't get. Just saying.
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:06 pm
Talmar_Star_Blood Each person thinks that their own belief system is obvious(well, most do), which is why they pigheadedly tell each other how stupid they are for not realizing something that is CLEARLY obvious and only an IDIOT wouldn't get. Just saying. True also. Lethkhar Quote: Unfortunately, I suppose it has always been the most obnoxious of any belief system (using the term, loosely, here) that tend to scream the loudest and get the most attention.... You're historically incorrect, given science's persecution for the major part of its existance, but I suppose you don't like history, either. Now, I would assume that science gets a large amount of attention because it actually achieves things and it's probably the most far-reaching "belief system" in the world; crossing cultures all over the world. I don't know about "screaming", though. Evangelists seem to do a lot more of that than scientists, especially considering how few Evangelists there are compared to scientifically minded people, but that's only based off of what I've seen. Well, you notice that evangelists are annoying and obnoxious? Science also gets a lot of attention for wating to constantly disprove religion, if you think about it that way. But yes, it's always the ones that give a certain group of people a bad name that are the loud, misleading minority, and the first and last to be heard. The more silent minority are sandwiched between outbursts and basically amount to nothing if you're on the outside looking in.
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:04 am
ryuu_chan Lethkhar Quote: Unfortunately, I suppose it has always been the most obnoxious of any belief system (using the term, loosely, here) that tend to scream the loudest and get the most attention.... You're historically incorrect, given science's persecution for the major part of its existance, but I suppose you don't like history, either. Now, I would assume that science gets a large amount of attention because it actually achieves things and it's probably the most far-reaching "belief system" in the world; crossing cultures all over the world. I don't know about "screaming", though. Evangelists seem to do a lot more of that than scientists, especially considering how few Evangelists there are compared to scientifically minded people, but that's only based off of what I've seen. Well, you notice that evangelists are annoying and obnoxious? Science also gets a lot of attention for wating to constantly disprove religion, if you think about it that way. That's not really the goal of science. A lot of scientists, in fact, are religious themselves. That's why I find people who can't reconcile their religion with something as fundamental as evolution so hilarious. Evolution doesn't even register on my radar as far as reasons why I don't believe in God; it's not even really a reason not to believe in God.
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:57 am
Y'know, while I didn't say it was, I've also never said that I didn't think evolution was true. I said that if it was, I still believe that SOMEONE (God) was responsible for it. Fine. You can prove Evolution. But you still can't prove, or disprove, a Creator. I don't believe that we ever will. I guess that's why it's called faith. We can throw around the 'hows' all we want.
My beef is that we get so caught up in trying to understand how, we forget to focus on whom and why. And then some get condescending towards anyone who doesn't need more than that.
I don't think we will ever truly understand how. We were not meant to. Not that there is anything wrong in trying. Just don't get so caught up in it that your forget what is important.
However He did it or went about it, He is the One who did.
Eh...I probably still could have put this better, somehow... sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:33 pm
Lethkhar ryuu_chan Lethkhar Quote: Unfortunately, I suppose it has always been the most obnoxious of any belief system (using the term, loosely, here) that tend to scream the loudest and get the most attention.... You're historically incorrect, given science's persecution for the major part of its existance, but I suppose you don't like history, either. Now, I would assume that science gets a large amount of attention because it actually achieves things and it's probably the most far-reaching "belief system" in the world; crossing cultures all over the world. I don't know about "screaming", though. Evangelists seem to do a lot more of that than scientists, especially considering how few Evangelists there are compared to scientifically minded people, but that's only based off of what I've seen. Well, you notice that evangelists are annoying and obnoxious? Science also gets a lot of attention for wating to constantly disprove religion, if you think about it that way. That's not really the goal of science. A lot of scientists, in fact, are religious themselves. That's why I find people who can't reconcile their religion with something as fundamental as evolution so hilarious. Evolution doesn't even register on my radar as far as reasons why I don't believe in God; it's not even really a reason not to believe in God. However, it could register on someone else's radar on why they don't believe in God. That's why we argue. And it totally goes against Creation.
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:41 pm
The fact that it doesn't go against creation is why alot of Christians today can believe evolution happened to some extent. I already said my bit on it- that it doesn't matter if creation happened in the literal Bible telling or if it happened a little bit differently. In the end, God created the universe, and arguing about how is just getting into semantics. -shrug-
And Lethkhar, this is totally about your comment about the Christians and some Muslims being the only religions that believe in creation today- have you forgotten the smaller, basically unnamed religions of the world? Like in more native and un-Westernized cultures? They all pretty much believe in a creation of some sort also, sometimes even in spite of having had contact with the surrounding "modernized" culture.
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:02 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar ryuu_chan Lethkhar Quote: Unfortunately, I suppose it has always been the most obnoxious of any belief system (using the term, loosely, here) that tend to scream the loudest and get the most attention.... You're historically incorrect, given science's persecution for the major part of its existance, but I suppose you don't like history, either. Now, I would assume that science gets a large amount of attention because it actually achieves things and it's probably the most far-reaching "belief system" in the world; crossing cultures all over the world. I don't know about "screaming", though. Evangelists seem to do a lot more of that than scientists, especially considering how few Evangelists there are compared to scientifically minded people, but that's only based off of what I've seen. Well, you notice that evangelists are annoying and obnoxious? Science also gets a lot of attention for wating to constantly disprove religion, if you think about it that way. That's not really the goal of science. A lot of scientists, in fact, are religious themselves. That's why I find people who can't reconcile their religion with something as fundamental as evolution so hilarious. Evolution doesn't even register on my radar as far as reasons why I don't believe in God; it's not even really a reason not to believe in God. However, it could register on someone else's radar on why they don't believe in God. That's why we argue. And it totally goes against Creation. No, it doesn't. Evolution has nothing to do with the beginning of life. People who don't believe in God because of evolution either don't understand evolution or they don't understand creation. It's more or less the same deal with people who don't believe in evolution because of their belief in God.
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:08 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly
And Lethkhar, this is totally about your comment about the Christians and some Muslims being the only religions that believe in creation todayYou've misquoted me...again... stare I said that certain Christian and Muslim sects are pretty much the only religions that still haven't reconciled evolution with their religion. I didn't say that they were the only religions that believed in creation. Quote: - have you forgotten the smaller, basically unnamed religions of the world? Like in more native and un-Westernized cultures? They all pretty much believe in a creation of some sort also, sometimes even in spite of having had contact with the surrounding "modernized" culture. You're right-I should have speciified that I was talking strictly about people that have actually heard of evolution.
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