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avoirdu

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:06 pm


sigh why self teach when you can stand on the shoulders of giants
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:15 pm


nothing of mine has been shattered

and im glad someone is trying to refute me on this.


but all i have to say is
if you dont think there is something special about art on its own
if you dont think its magic

then your crazy.

if anything the type of thinking you have displayed is what imo
has really watered down what art is in this day and age.

eyes are given to you so you can see with them
not so someone can teach you how to see with them im sorry


nothing anyone is going to say will change the way i feel about this
because i feel for art

mrgreen


i think it should be personal and unique and expressive of ones own inner self and ideas and questions and

i just cant see that being authentic when your in art school with your textbooks and deadline assignments and whatnot.

M56667


M56667

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:23 pm


and not to be rude, but how do you know i dont paint rl?

just because the art of mine youve seen is digital doesnt mean that there is all there is

@_____@

and it doesnt mean that what im doing with my tablet is any less special
i still hand mix all my colors, i still make the most of my mistakes instead of "undo" them

and to think otherwise
(considering how outrageous my coloring is normally)

makes me question your artistic rationale atm
confused

oh and not to rub the salt in the wound here but
no one taught me anything about tablets or digital art


i take pride in my level of skill knowing that
it was all my love, dedication and personal pursuit of art that has brought me to where i am

not a bunch of huffy puffy fluffy info from my peers or teachers lol
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:35 pm


Professor_Markus
Mirenes
being someone who feels art

moreso than learning it

i have beef with art students and people being taught



not to be rude, but really, that type of thinking is what killed art in the first place.

The revolution of art led to dots on canvas, pretentious snobs who think 'everything is art' and losing old techniques in lieu of cheap tricks instead of real talent.

I'm currently going to art school, and it's teaching me how to SEE. Nobody is teaching me how to paint, how to use my brush, how to use my paint. It's teaching me to look closer, to develop more, to push harder. It's got nothing to do with "right or wrong" or even *shudder* "what you feel".

The same goes for any other trade. Do you think masons become so good from just feeling it?

Art is not something special. Many art critics holler and yell about art being much deeper and something special and almost godlike.

You can paint really interesting, out there, and bizarre pictures. But do you think it'd be as succesful if you had learned how to paint in the first place instead of putting a pen to a tablet, choosing premixed colours or the same thing over and over?

To say you don't need to learn art is to say you don't need to learn how to build houses to build one.

It'll fall down around your ears and you'll have nothing left but a shakey, piece of crap house to freeze in lol.
the point of masonry is to build things that are sturdy and make sense; you can't build a house that'll fall down and say "that's my interpretation of what a house should be"

also, i think it's hilarious that you associate being a pretentious snob with the people who don't go to art school

if anything, it's the height of retarded snobbery to assume that studying under someone else's subjective view of a totally subjective pursuit such as visual art is integral or focal to being a good artist

brick rd


M56667

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:42 pm


i just used this example somewhere else

but it applies here:

whats more impressive,

a kid who can throw a ball 50 yards with no knowledge of the game

or a kid whose been studying it all summer has had lessons from a pro and can throw the same
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:44 pm


I don't think clients take that into account.

METAPHOR FISTS
Captain


avoirdu

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:45 pm


the kid who studied all summer probably learned faster and if he knows how to play the game then he can use that and join a professional league an actually play the game for fame and $$$
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:50 pm


The Iconoclast
I don't think clients take that into account.


a real artist doesnt care about the money~*~~*~*~*

starving a little bit for your overall artistic vision i get

starving for your tuition i dont get.

M56667


M56667

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:51 pm


avoirdu
the kid who studied all summer probably learned faster and if he knows how to play the game then he can use that and join a professional league an actually play the game for fame and $$$


i guess you dont know how it works with sports then...

do you know what "scouting" is?

confused
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:51 pm


That's the thing, though. You're talking to a lot of people who are interested in illustration as a career - not 'artistes', so to speak. The perspective is different by the very nature of the beast.

I don't even consider myself an artist, frankly.

METAPHOR FISTS
Captain


M56667

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:54 pm


The Iconoclast
That's the thing, though. You're talking to a lot of people who are interested in illustration as a career - not 'artistes', so to speak. The perspective is different by the very nature of the beast.

I don't even consider myself an artist, frankly.


and thats fine

that just shows me more about how they want to prostitute art

i wont stand for another person telling me, that art is not special or beautiful or magical

thats the most bullshit thing ive ever heard
and im actually really offended


buddy should cut off his hands for blasphemy like that
talk2hand
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:54 pm


ye like when they go to schools and stuff and look at the players for the good ones
no one cares about the kid whos playing ball in his yard

avoirdu


Saply

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:56 pm


im not against art classes and schools and i guess tutorials and stuff if only for how they can teach you ways to better your techniques and anatomy and stuff, but the ones that "teach" you WHAT to draw and how to look at things leave me with a bad feeling. nowadays it seems like anyone with money can pay to go to art school and become an artist ,_,

so i guess art is both self-taught AND learned, like you can learn HOW to do things (better) but noone can really teach you WHAT things to make. im most impressed with ppl who can take a technique and still do something amazing and unique with it, like they bring their own creativity to the table mrgreen
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:57 pm


Mirenes

but all i have to say is
if you dont think there is something special about art on its own
if you dont think its magic

then your crazy.

if anything the type of thinking you have displayed is what imo
has really watered down what art is in this day and age.

eyes are given to you so you can see with them
not so someone can teach you how to see with them im sorry


nothing anyone is going to say will change the way i feel about this
because i feel for art


i think it should be personal and unique and expressive of ones own inner self and ideas and questions and

i just cant see that being authentic when your in art school with your textbooks and deadline assignments and whatnot.


I do think art is wonderful. Why else would I be doing it myself?

Then why do you have a brain if not to LEARN? Having eyes does not mean you can "see". Many people have their eyes yet are blind from birth. Many people are born with 2 hands that do not work, or no hands at all. Yet they still can paint.

Having eyes does not mean you can draw, paint, or create forms of art. It is not by default.

I only have one textbook, and that is for art history. Deadlines? You do realize that art has deadlines, whether self imposed or imposed on you by a client? How would paintings ever get done if you did not set a deadline, even subconciously?

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and not to be rude, but how do you know i dont paint rl?

just because the art of mine youve seen is digital doesnt mean that there is all there is

@_____@

and it doesnt mean that what im doing with my tablet is any less special
i still hand mix all my colors, i still make the most of my mistakes instead of "undo" them

and to think otherwise
(considering how outrageous my coloring is normally)

makes me question your artistic rationale atm
icon_confused.gif

oh and not to rub the salt in the wound here but
no one taught me anything about tablets or digital art


i take pride in my level of skill knowing that
it was all my love, dedication and personal pursuit of art that has brought me to where i am

not a bunch of huffy puffy fluffy info from my peers or teachers lol


I don't know. But judging from your digital work, and sorry for me to say this, but it's a sad excuse at anything "art". Your years of turning a blind eye towards referencing, techniques and just attitude towards "art" shows in it. There's no designs, no anatomy, no colour schemes that are pleasing, eye popping or exaggerated.

Compared to someone who has studied, and who has learned, it's very poor.

I don't mean to be harsh and to attack you personally, but I don't see this art you've created out of "feelings and thin air" to go far professionally. It will attract jobs once in a while, but unless it's visually pleasing to a degree, it will not sell.

Consider yourself a hobby artist more then, if you are more intent on creating out of nothing for nothing.

You are not the only one who puts love, dedication and personal pursuit in your art either. Don't fool yourself; you are not special. A quick hop over to Deviantart shows hundreds and thousands of young people, who think a dream and "feelings" will get them far.

Huffy puffy fluffy info from peers and teachers. Like critique?

Isn't that like this forum but with real people? Might not want to contradict yourself.

Professor_Markus


METAPHOR FISTS
Captain

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:58 pm


Mirenes
The Iconoclast
That's the thing, though. You're talking to a lot of people who are interested in illustration as a career - not 'artistes', so to speak. The perspective is different by the very nature of the beast.

I don't even consider myself an artist, frankly.


and thats fine

that just shows me more about how they want to prostitute art

i wont stand for another person telling me, that art is not special or beautiful or magical

thats the most bullshit thing ive ever heard
and im actually really offended


buddy should cut off his hands for blasphemy like that
talk2hand


I don't know. I have always found illustration to be a very practical outlet, along with writing. There are just some concepts better illustrated, and some concepts that should be written, lest you lose valuable detail.

Then again, I am neither a career illustrator nor an 'artist'. I am a hobby character illustrator. My niche - and scope - are small.

In short, I can see where you're coming from, though I've never personally felt art to be particularly 'magical'. To me, the best part about it is the pride in a job well done. That's the 'magic' part for me.
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