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| For It... Only under special conditions |
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| For It 100% |
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 Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:01 am
Kaito_7420 First off, I'm a guy. Just pointing it out. Now, in a good, idealistic world, I would be completely against abortion. BUT, I think a LOT of people are forgetting about RAPE VICTIMS. Why should rape victims go through the pain of pregnancy and then have a constant reminder of what happened to them? Even if they put the child for adoption, in their mind they still know it happened. I do agree that those stupid enough to get pregnant at such a young age deserve to get... "pwned". (Sorry for the chat-speak. I just couldn't think of another word that would serve the same purpose.) All in all, I don't have a clear standpoint on the whole abortion thing. But I think until it clears up, the option to have an abortion should be available. It's not like it forces everyone to have one. I think leaving that option available possibly does more help than it does harm. SongsOfTheEnchantedHeart But what truly gets be P.Od. Is the fact that the guys that get the girls pregnant, they don't even care! What the heck is that about!?!?! if you go and have sex and get the gosh darn girl pregnant they you better MAKE SURE that that girl is healthy and taken care of and you better watch that child. You are just as responsible as the mom. I wish I could just punch every boy that ever got a girl pregnant. Umm... I don't know about other guys, but I would rather kill myself than get my future partner pregnant without her willing to go through with it. I'm not as inconsiderate as the guys you refer to. Not all guys are the same. -_-You realize that statistics show that only a fraction of a percent of abortions are because of rape. And as far as them still knowing it happened. Once they're raped they're Always gonna know it happened. I've dealt with a lot of rape victims, and it doesn't go away no matter what you do. So now they'd have to deal with being raped AND taking an innocent life for the rest of their life. I know in this world we have to just make the best of hard situations sometimes, but abortion isn't how you do that. Abortion is running from a problem, and taking a life out of selfishness.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:13 am
Scazarith Kaito_7420 First off, I'm a guy. Just pointing it out. Now, in a good, idealistic world, I would be completely against abortion. BUT, I think a LOT of people are forgetting about RAPE VICTIMS. Why should rape victims go through the pain of pregnancy and then have a constant reminder of what happened to them? Even if they put the child for adoption, in their mind they still know it happened. I do agree that those stupid enough to get pregnant at such a young age deserve to get... "pwned". (Sorry for the chat-speak. I just couldn't think of another word that would serve the same purpose.) All in all, I don't have a clear standpoint on the whole abortion thing. But I think until it clears up, the option to have an abortion should be available. It's not like it forces everyone to have one. I think leaving that option available possibly does more help than it does harm. SongsOfTheEnchantedHeart But what truly gets be P.Od. Is the fact that the guys that get the girls pregnant, they don't even care! What the heck is that about!?!?! if you go and have sex and get the gosh darn girl pregnant they you better MAKE SURE that that girl is healthy and taken care of and you better watch that child. You are just as responsible as the mom. I wish I could just punch every boy that ever got a girl pregnant. Umm... I don't know about other guys, but I would rather kill myself than get my future partner pregnant without her willing to go through with it. I'm not as inconsiderate as the guys you refer to. Not all guys are the same. -_-You realize that statistics show that only a fraction of a percent of abortions are because of rape. And as far as them still knowing it happened. Once they're raped they're Always gonna know it happened. I've dealt with a lot of rape victims, and it doesn't go away no matter what you do. So now they'd have to deal with being raped AND taking an innocent life for the rest of their life. I know in this world we have to just make the best of hard situations sometimes, but abortion isn't how you do that. Abortion is running from a problem, and taking a life out of selfishness. to expand on this, I don't think the guys song was reffering to would exactly consider their 'future partner's feelings in the whole thing... I think she was speaking about those guys often reffered to as 'baby daddys. and they are out there....
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:47 am
Davis Shadenhand to expand on this, I don't think the guys song was reffering to would exactly consider their 'future partner's feelings in the whole thing... I think she was speaking about those guys often reffered to as 'baby daddys. and they are out there.... Maybe it's just me and all, but the way it was worded, it sounded like it referred to all guys. oh well. =P
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:00 pm
I only have one thign to say....Pro-choice.......I will not argue with anyone, this is my opinion, if you agree great, if not great. I don't really feel like fighting on that topic so if you want to argue with it...I'm not gonna reply...thank you for your time
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:47 pm
davis--- how in the world did you come up with an idea for incubators for babies?....never mind- i don't want to know!
but it just wouldn't be a good idea...in an incubator there is no real protection from the environment and very limited human contact. when a baby is in its mothers womb, it has human contact every second of the day and that helps it to develop.
as for it being a safe alternative to abortion---NOT!!!!!! half the babies (or more) would still die...and the other half would have serious disabilities from being ripped from it's food and oxygen source, even for a short time.
and the effects on the mother would stll be horrible. i can imagine infection, pieces of the womb being ripped out, uncontrollable bleeding, etc.
in a few years, it might be plausible, but not in this day and age
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:29 am
darkrose29 davis--- how in the world did you come up with an idea for incubators for babies?....never mind- i don't want to know! but it just wouldn't be a good idea...in an incubator there is no real protection from the environment and very limited human contact. when a baby is in its mothers womb, it has human contact every second of the day and that helps it to develop. I'm well aware of that, It was more of a hypothetical I was trying to figure out their ethics I don't think that it would ever happen you'd sooner see Post-conception transplants into surrogate mothers or something like that... but for the sake of argument let's continue.... darkrose29 as for it being a safe alternative to abortion---NOT!!!!!! half the babies (or more) would still die...and the other half would have serious disabilities from being ripped from it's food and oxygen source, even for a short time. So you're trying to tell me that they can stop a human heart long enough to put a new one in (Without adverse side effects caused by lack of oxygen ect.) but they can't attach a fetus to a "life support" (for lack of a better word) machine? darkrose29 and the effects on the mother would stll be horrible. i can imagine infection, pieces of the womb being ripped out, uncontrollable bleeding, etc. Ever heard of a hysterectomy? if they can do that (without causing uncontrollable bleeding ect.) then why can't they do this? darkrose29 in a few years, it might be plausible, but not in this day and age I honestly hope they never bother wasting the money on this research and instead find better forms of birth control... but For the record it was more of a search for the ethics, a hypothetical if you will.
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:07 pm
*Interjection* I love Davis and darkrose. Such great stuff.
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:48 am
i must say that i knew you knew that, davis. i was explaining possible effects to the person that claimed it was a safe alternative to abortion
as for attaching the fetus to life support, do you realize just how hard that would be? stopping and then starting the human heart is tricky enough---that is y you must sign a release of liability form be4 any kind of transplant. so imaginehow much harder it would be on a fetus no larger than the head of a pin
9 out of ten hysterectomies go fine, sure. but what of that tenth one were things go screwy. and this would be harder. did u know that if he placenta is not cut just right, it will be sucked into the mothers womb and kill her? and that is at full term when you can actually see it clearly!
i agree that they should not research this...but i doubt you are the only one who thought of this...
and i know that it was hypothetical (see above)
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:12 pm
Just two things that I noticed real quick because I've got to get back to my grociery shopping, If you read this before I get a chance to edit it I'm not trying to sound like an a** I'm just making a point so I won't forget... darkrose29 as for attaching the fetus to life support, do you realize just how hard that would be? stopping and then starting the human heart is tricky enough---that is y you must sign a release of liability form be4 any kind of transplant. so imagine how much harder it would be on a fetus no larger than the head of a pin If you're fetus is that small then you should be able to take any number of herbs (not listing them now or ever) and successfully abort.. I was talking post first trimester abortions... darkrose29 9 out of ten hysterectomies go fine, sure. but what of that tenth one were things go screwy. and this would be harder. did u know that if he placenta is not cut just right, it will be sucked into the mothers womb and kill her? and that is at full term when you can actually see it clearly! Alright... and if they'd rather take those chances than having a kid that's their choice right? Beyond that, You pass the placenta after birth regardless... I don't know where you got that from but it's wrong... again not trying to be rude just rushed... Sorry if it comes off that way...
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:58 pm
it doesnt so dont wrry....
and that is when we give birth...but when you arehaving surgery (c-section or whatever) you have to be very careful with it....and it does not always come out all the way before the cord is cut...
and fetus's are still very tiny after that point. i know how hard it was with jo being on a heart moniter for so long...not to mention carlos and emanuel being born prematurely. if it was that hard with just them, imagine how hard it would be later.
yes it is their choice, and i would never assume otherwise....i just argue my pesonal beliefs for the sake of argueing...it is so hard to get a good debate nowadays....
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:03 pm
Factually Abortion can be traced back to the idea of Eugenics which started with Charles Darwin and his cousin Sir Francis Galton. It was put in to act during World War II by Hitler with his dream of the perfect Aryan race. Or German pure bloods. Abortion along with planned parenting and the sperm bank all came from Eugenics which was the idea to breed the human race.
I feel that Abortion is just as cruel and inhuman as it was when Hitler had the children and babies thrown into the crematoriums and burned alive or about as good as when they had the children placed in gas chambers along with the elderly and the weak. Abortion is a sick inhuman thing committed by numb people who have left all feelings behind. Abortion in every sense of the word is murder. Killing in cold blood. Not only because of the innocence of the child, the purity of something so small and fragile but because it is our priority to protect the weak as stated in our constitution. To not defend the lives that are taken every day. The millions that have been murdered in the mother’s womb are like cutting off your own arm or killing your own sister. If we allow abortion then we should also allow the killing of children when they are older, of teens and parents. We have become a sick and twisted society because of the idiocy of some who refuse to allow something so innocent into their lives. I feel that if a mother can be that selfish and cruel and inhuman then she should be killed along with her child. This is not a yes or no thing this is life we are talking about not some noodle in your stomach. How is it you scorn those who commit crimes on the young, rape and murder, when you allow this to happen? Those who support abortion and scorn the rapist or murder are dripping in hypocrisy.
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:28 pm
SongsOfTheEnchantedHeart Factually Abortion can be traced back to the idea of Eugenics which started with Charles Darwin and his cousin Sir Francis Galton. It was put in to act during World War II by Hitler with his dream of the perfect Aryan race. Or German pure bloods. Abortion along with planned parenting and the sperm bank all came from Eugenics which was the idea to breed the human race. Wrong, I know abortions were taking place in the bible, if I'm not mistaken lots of Whores in the bible were using an herb purchased to make the mother Purposely miscarry in order to abort the accidental pregnancies caused by their profession... SongsOfTheEnchantedHeart I feel that Abortion is just as cruel and inhuman as it was when Hitler had the children and babies thrown into the crematoriums and burned alive or about as good as when they had the children placed in gas chambers along with the elderly and the weak. Abortion is a sick inhuman thing committed by numb people who have left all feelings behind. Abortion in every sense of the word is murder. Killing in cold blood. Not only because of the innocence of the child, the purity of something so small and fragile but because it is our priority to protect the weak as stated in our constitution. To not defend the lives that are taken every day. The millions that have been murdered in the mother’s womb are like cutting off your own arm or killing your own sister. If we allow abortion then we should also allow the killing of children when they are older, of teens and parents. We have become a sick and twisted society because of the idiocy of some who refuse to allow something so innocent into their lives. I feel that if a mother can be that selfish and cruel and inhuman then she should be killed along with her child. This is not a yes or no thing this is life we are talking about not some noodle in your stomach. How is it you scorn those who commit crimes on the young, rape and murder, when you allow this to happen? Those who support abortion and scorn the rapist or murder are dripping in hypocrisy. You're others posts held a strong position, Full of facts, and you rarely let your emotion get in the way of your point, this time it would seem to me that you're upset, Might I suggest cooling off and trying again? I don't entirely agree with the rapist//murderer comment, I understand where you were going with it.... I really do, but at the same time The people who rape and murder are sick individuals generally incapable of contributing to our society (which is why we have judges and juries capable of deciding whether they are or are not) , whereas those who have an abortion ( once not several times) are guilty of making bad decisions, but are still capable of contributing to our society... I know several people who have had abortions , then turned around later and had several children and become better parents than a lot of other people I know... Even if It's angry it's good to see you back song... I hope everything's ok for you.
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:54 pm
Thanks Davis. Sorry I've been gone for so long and sorry I let that get in the way of a good post.
But as far as I know when abortion fully came into use the way it is now the route of it came from the idea of Eugenics. They would let the poor have abortions so as to not polute the population. They never said that but that was the idea.
Anyway I found some interesting things about that. Eugenics started planed parenting too. Well it was started by a fervent believer in eugenics and that makes me wonder why Abortion goes unmoved. I just can't believe that we are so blindly allowing something like this . . .like the holocaust to happen once more.
It's sickaning. when you look at what they did then to the babies it is no different then what they do now. If a child is taken out of the mothers womb alive it is put in a liquid formula that basically turns it into a raisen. It sucks out all of the water. It's discusting, you see a child scrivel in front of your eyes and yet they have the mind to do it again. How can that be! Oi, I just don't see how anyone with a heart, with a shrivel of emotion can let something like that happen. And it's not even as if the child was something evil coming into our world. It's innocent and pure. How could someone so easily take the life of something so pure.
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:18 am
You have to remember that the people you are talking about were ruined from the start, and they did a lot worse to the children who were already born (seriously don't research it if what you already know is making you sick)... beyond that they were fanatics, they believed that the Jewish people were the cause of the economic downfall of their homeland and that the only way to save themselves would be killing them all. which would eventually allow a purification of the gene pool and in turn help to bring about the rise of the Aryan race. when in reality the whole thing could have been avoided if we hadn't stuck Germany with the entire bill for WWI (treaty of Versailles). [/history lesson]
Again I personally would never have an abortion, But I see why it's there... I think that when some one goes in to have one they should be told about birth control or sterilization techniques and given a long talk about adoption... I personally believe that (if done in the right manor) proper sexual education could lower unwanted pregnancies and in turn bring down the abortion rate substantially.
I also think that we could have the clinics do all the paperwork for the adoption, as that is often times a bit overwhelming for these first time parents who already (obviously) have a large amount of stress on them.
and it's ok, it was still a good post, just a little more emotional than I'm used to seeing from you...
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:27 am
Plain and simple, I'm for it. I respect what everyone else thinks and I don't want to argue about it. For me it's just that simple.
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