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 Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 11:00 pm
Robthebob Hmm, this came up with one of my old apocalypse matches. Does heigth 3 terrain block LOS to superheavies such as the stompa and titans, which obviously tower far above it? People say it doesnt, but i dunno. Infantry (such as my lascannon teams) were allowed to shoot them over H3 terrain. Annnnnd this is why I feel that the current height system was not expansive enough. Not too sure about APoc, because I don't have that book so I'm not sure if Superheavies have a rule that lets them see over all terrain, but In terms of the BGB rules, height 3 area terrain has infinite height. Nothing can see over it except a skimmer hovering on top of a particular piece, and even then, it only sees over the terrain it's on, other height three features still block its LOS. Your infantry certainly should not have been able to see over it. However, seeing as this is Apoc, there are a few things you can do. You can use the COD rules, which give ruins and such a given hight, allowing models on upper floors to see over smaller ruins, though they'd still be effectively size three for being bigger than man sized. I personally recommend making a couple tree/wall bases and placing them in your felt for purposes of estimating height. Just assume the forest/building is uniformly as tall as the tree/wall, place it at the front/edge of the felt and see if your models can see any of the target over the tops of the trees/wall. While smoke columns might extend up into the air for hundreds of meters, most trees do cap out at somewhere between 20 and 90 meters, so this makes sense.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:40 am
I say eff the system and use true LoS.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 11:28 am
Xenos Mortium I say eff the system and use true LoS. True LOS is already used for everything but area terrain, and frankly, 5th ed's rumored take on the interaction between area terrain and True LOS does not make me happy at all. I would have preferred an expansion of the height category rules to include 5 heights; swarms, infantry, large infantry, Vehicles/monstrous creatures, and taller items.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 12:17 pm
I agree with Oryn there should be some sort of system for determining how high certain objects or models are instead of using true LOS all the time
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:12 pm
Xenos Mortium I say eff the system and use true LoS.
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:50 pm
King Kento Xenos Mortium I say eff the system and use true LoS. As I already said, the only thing height categories were supposed to be used for was area terrain, you know, flat pieces of felt that represent terrain rather than are 3D terrain? You can't use true LOS and area terrain together because area terrain then provides no cover and can be seen straight through.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:27 pm
Oryn King Kento Xenos Mortium I say eff the system and use true LoS. As I already said, the only thing height categories were supposed to be used for was area terrain, you know, flat pieces of felt that represent terrain rather than are 3D terrain? You can't use true LOS and area terrain together because area terrain then provides no cover and can be seen straight through. Not only that, but what about models that have different poses or scenic bases? Can the guy standing tall on top of a rock see more than the kneeling sniper?
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:09 pm
Simply put, NO.
He doesn't take his rock everywhere he goes.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:06 pm
Of course. Just sayin', some of the more... "undesirable" opponents may claim otherwise.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:28 pm
Yeah, I'd make a remark about common sense, but that is something in severe decline these days.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:48 pm
Ianator Of course. Just sayin', some of the more... "undesirable" opponents may claim otherwise. Like... "My bannerpole can see you!" Or like in the Turnsignals on a landraider when they see a space marine sergant bannerpole and shoots it and he dies from it... :'D Warhammer have gone from fun gaming into powergaming ruleslawyering nowdays. o:
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:13 pm
Lt. Brookman Yeah, I'd make a remark about common sense, but that is something in severe decline these days. A favorite saying of mine goes: "Common sense isn't." Shinobi_8745 Like... "My bannerpole can see you!" Or like in the Turnsignals on a landraider when they see a space marine sergant bannerpole and shoots it and he dies from it... :'D Warhammer have gone from fun gaming into powergaming ruleslawyering nowdays. o: Well, according to the leaked pdf, LOS is drawn from the models eyes to the targets main body, thus preventing the 'banner kill' from happening. Banners, swords, gun barrels, etc are not part of the main body, and can't be shot. However, I'm just waiting for the Tyranid/Chaos horde modeled with googly eyes on 6" stalks, allowing them to draw LOS over intervening terrain and avoid reprisal.
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:57 pm
Oryn Lt. Brookman Yeah, I'd make a remark about common sense, but that is something in severe decline these days. A favorite saying of mine goes: "Common sense isn't." Shinobi_8745 Like... "My bannerpole can see you!" Or like in the Turnsignals on a landraider when they see a space marine sergant bannerpole and shoots it and he dies from it... :'D Warhammer have gone from fun gaming into powergaming ruleslawyering nowdays. o: Well, according to the leaked pdf, LOS is drawn from the models eyes to the targets main body, thus preventing the 'banner kill' from happening. Banners, swords, gun barrels, etc are not part of the main body, and can't be shot. However, I'm just waiting for the Tyranid/Chaos horde modeled with googly eyes on 6" stalks, allowing them to draw LOS over intervening terrain and avoid reprisal. You are a fecking downright depressing git, you know that?
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:32 am
Oryn Lt. Brookman Yeah, I'd make a remark about common sense, but that is something in severe decline these days. A favorite saying of mine goes: "Common sense isn't." Shinobi_8745 Like... "My bannerpole can see you!" Or like in the Turnsignals on a landraider when they see a space marine sergant bannerpole and shoots it and he dies from it... :'D Warhammer have gone from fun gaming into powergaming ruleslawyering nowdays. o: Well, according to the leaked pdf, LOS is drawn from the models eyes to the targets main body, thus preventing the 'banner kill' from happening. Banners, swords, gun barrels, etc are not part of the main body, and can't be shot. However, I'm just waiting for the Tyranid/Chaos horde modeled with googly eyes on 6" stalks, allowing them to draw LOS over intervening terrain and avoid reprisal. I was not serious? xD;;;;
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