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 Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:05 pm
I'm in the same boat as you Indigo. Int just doesn't have any room on my gear. XD I tank with Blessing of Sanctuary & Ret Aura on (unless I need a magic resist aura, because we don't have a shammy or priest to do Prayer of Shadow Prot or drop the right totem). I usually won't judge Crusader on things, because egh, it doesn't make THAT big of a difference, definitely not enough to make or break my aggro control. I don't have Imp SoC, & it's honestly a pain to try & keep it judged on each target. JoW or JoL helps me & others out a lot more.
I basically do the bare minimum to keep control over what I'm tanking, but I'm not spamming Consecration to try & beat out others on the DPS meters. I know I can do that, have whenever I want to mystify mages & huntards, but I'd rather conserve my mana.
I also have the addon LuckyCharms, which is basically an easier way to mark things than Blizz's retarded click-menu. So, I keep the Skull target on whatever I'm attacking, so the DPS can switch targets accordingly when something dies.
On weird pulls, I usually just ask the hunter to misdirect to me, or if a wander has to pull, I just immediately BoP them. I don't mind the 5-min cooldown, I never have to use it otherwise. lol I only BoSalv Shadow priests & annoying rogues that won't feint. Damn rogues.
Paly tanking is soooo easy though, really.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:10 am
Shardelyss As I’m aware there’s better geared SET items that will give both mana and stam as well as defense, but that takes a long time to build. A.K.A raiding, pvping and stuff.... and you’re NOT always guaranteed that 1. It’ll drop on a run and 2. If you’ll be able to either out-roll or DKP someone else for an item you need. yeh, you want a set with stam, int, spelldamage, and defence? err get the righteous set. you will never get any armour quick, no one will, you have to put the time in to farm the same instance to get 1 piece of it then move on and farm for the next one, every class has to do that for their pre-kara gear, so stop complaining and get on yer a** and work for it. also you don't need a full set of int gear when your pala tanking, as people have said, heals regenerate your mana, and you'll most likely have a mage in your group so you can stop and drink after every 2 pulls or so, it aint like its costing you anything. you only need about 2 pieces of the righteous set to be an effective pala tank pre kara, the shoulders and the chest are the best two pieces to have, along with a crystalforged sword for even more int and spell damage. go back a few pages and look at the set i recommended for fahsky, that is the best set you can get to be ready for kara.
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:44 am
I'm kind of tired of warriors thinking were some crippled tanking class-_-. I MT our KZs and ZAs, sometimes bring a warrior OT that's usually MS with good gear. Problems arise when I'm happily tanking one elite, and oh it's taunted off of me... I taunt it back, and they will taunt it back. Especially for the hard hitting guys in ZA... Confusing the healers is a bad idea... I've died several times because "Oh we saw the warrior dropping really fast so we had to heal him". Warriors can't take aggro from me but the damn LOL TAUNT is driving me crazy.
I keep telling them to stop taunting off of me because I'd love to take damage and get my mana back. They go "Well I need rage"............... During Kara I've been known to stop what I'm doing throw on my healing gear and stay in the back. I run with the same DPS every week and they know I'm letting the OT shine for tanking. After they die few times trying to tank everything I resume tanking. It usually stops their bad habit. Or I will pull insanely fast with the most elites possible and overwhelm the OT. The classic example I do about every second week is tank moroes and all his elites at once rofl. It sounds mean but it gets really annoying when the only mob your tanking has to be taunted off... And no I'm not torturing my healers, most of them are in T5 or better gear anyway.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:37 pm
Rainbow_Blender yeh, you want a set with stam, int, spelldamage, and defence? err get the righteous set. you will never get any armour quick, no one will, you have to put the time in to farm the same instance to get 1 piece of it then move on and farm for the next one, every class has to do that for their pre-kara gear, so stop complaining and get on yer a** and work for it. Wow. Someone just made an assumption that I wasn’t working my a** off in trying to get the right gear. I guess that Epic Oathkeeper helm I made for my pally was a dream. Along with some of the other epic gear I had to WORK over an EXTENDED time to get. Oh nope, I must be some lazy nub who is only wearing greens. I wouldn’t know about putting 2 years into WoW and actually working hard for my epics and then having to rework for them once the BC expansion came out. Oh noes. Was that Epic Dragon mount a dream too? Instead of being concerned with chewing people out for posting an opinion that warrior gear is more readily available than pally gear, why doncha quit your assuming.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:10 pm
Shardelyss Rainbow_Blender yeh, you want a set with stam, int, spelldamage, and defence? err get the righteous set. you will never get any armour quick, no one will, you have to put the time in to farm the same instance to get 1 piece of it then move on and farm for the next one, every class has to do that for their pre-kara gear, so stop complaining and get on yer a** and work for it. Wow. Someone just made an assumption that I wasn’t working my a** off in trying to get the right gear. I guess that Epic Oathkeeper helm I made for my pally was a dream. Along with some of the other epic gear I had to WORK over an EXTENDED time to get. Oh nope, I must be some lazy nub who is only wearing greens. I wouldn’t know about putting 2 years into WoW and actually working hard for my epics and then having to rework for them once the BC expansion came out. Oh noes. Was that Epic Dragon mount a dream too? Instead of being concerned with chewing people out for posting an opinion that warrior gear is more readily available than pally gear, why doncha quit your assuming. from your post it sounded like you were just a nub who was whining about not being able to get drops, so you cant blame me for assuming you were one, but yeh i agree that warrior gear is more readily available,
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:17 am
You kidding me? My Pally is usually 2nd or 3rd in damage when we're doing a bunch of AoE pulls (read: a healer who can keep up). I beat out decently geared Feral Kitty Druids, some Mages, and Elemental Shammies. Paladin tanks are the deeps, man.
well if you're tainking it's not gow much dmg you deal it's how much you take, your support is there for dmg, and to heal you, you keep the enemy off them, they keep you alive noob
as for the pally making a tank class, it's an exellent choice, especially of you have a group thats on the ball, i might be a D-Spec Warrior, but i know tanks when i see em, so calling a spade a spade i say pallies and warrs that are spec D(warr) or H or P(pally) are the best bet for your tanking needs, heavy armor, dmg reduction and the ability to take a lickin and keep on tickin is the way to go
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:41 am
You kidding me? My Pally is usually 2nd or 3rd in damage when we're doing a bunch of AoE pulls (read: a healer who can keep up). I beat out decently geared Feral Kitty Druids, some Mages, and Elemental Shammies. Paladin tanks are the deeps, man. well if you're tainking it's not gow much dmg you deal it's how much you take, your support is there for dmg, and to heal you, you keep the enemy off them, they keep you alive noob as for the pally making a tank class, it's an exellent choice, especially of you have a group thats on the ball, i might be a D-Spec Warrior, but i know tanks when i see em, so calling a spade a spade i say pallies and warrs that are spec D(warr) or H or P(pally) are the best bet for your tanking needs, heavy armor, dmg reduction and the ability to take a lickin and keep on tickin is the way to go yes the whole point is how much damage you take but what the person is stating is pallys still deal out a s**t load of damage whilst doing it, im uncrushable and i still outdps hunters, cat druids, dps warriors and rogues sometimes or i get darn close. pally making a tank class? where've you been, pallys have been a tank class for years. the rest is just gibberish about spades and warriors or something... please try and keep close to the topic of PALADINS if you decide to post again =).
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:11 am
Really, I could care less if the tank does good damage. The point of the tank is to keep aggro, not do damage.
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:38 am
PrototypeHastur Really, I could care less if the tank does good damage. The point of the tank is to keep aggro, not do damage. Actually paladins doing lots of damage for AOE is really needed :3 It helps us tank all those elites. In kara last night my TPS was sky rocketing when I was pulling 2 packs of horses before Attunemen. Damage is how paladins keeps aggro D:
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:15 pm
Indigogold PrototypeHastur Really, I could care less if the tank does good damage. The point of the tank is to keep aggro, not do damage. Actually paladins doing lots of damage for AOE is really needed :3 It helps us tank all those elites. In kara last night my TPS was sky rocketing when I was pulling 2 packs of horses before Attunemen. Damage is how paladins keeps aggro D: As long as they keep aggro, it's fine. I'm just tire myself from hearing all the time that "Oh, the tank on my raid makes top 3 of the DPS." or "Oh, I tank better because I can do more damage." blah blah blah. I don't really care. Goodness, As if it wasn't hard enough to deal with DPS classes arguing who does the best damage, now add the tanks in.... Goodness. -_-
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:30 pm
im not to sure about them in raiding guilds since im only lvl 65 but i always get picked for a tank, and recently for my epic mount quest there was a 70 prot warrior running me thru and i pulled aggro from him alot even WITH salv on me lol
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:43 pm
Loke_Deedrich well if you're tainking it's not gow much dmg you deal it's how much you take, your support is there for dmg, and to heal you, you keep the enemy off them, they keep you alive noob as for the pally making a tank class, it's an exellent choice, especially of you have a group thats on the ball, i might be a D-Spec Warrior, but i know tanks when i see em, so calling a spade a spade i say pallies and warrs that are spec D(warr) or H or P(pally) are the best bet for your tanking needs, heavy armor, dmg reduction and the ability to take a lickin and keep on tickin is the way to go One thing you have to realize is that damage output is simply a pleasant side-effect of Paladin tanking. Paladins, much like Druids keep aggro through damage (holy in this case). They are not like Warriors in which their threat generation changes slightly with better upgrades to their weapons/shields (a Warrior's threat generation ability changes very little with gear changes. They will simply stack on more HP/Avoidance). A Paladin's aggro keeping ability comes from their spell damage, which increases the damage done by the Paladin's main tanking utilities: Holy Shield, Consecrate, and Seal and Judgment of Righteousness (also Exorcism and Holy Wrath in some cases). Please don't go around calling people noobs when you yourself have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:45 pm
Quoted from Hakkar forums
A warlock walks into a bar and sits down. He orders a glass of beer and starts relaxing, when all of a sudden, a paladin walks in and sits next to him. He turns to look at the warlock and says: 'Hey buddy, conjure me up something to drink,'
The warlock raises an eyebrow and looks to the paladin, clearly confused. He set his bottle down and spoke, slowly, and clearly, so as not to confuse the paladin.
'You want me to summon water? Buddy, you've got the wrong person...'
With that said, he returned to his drink. However, the paladin spoke up once again.
'Well if you can't conjure me up something to drink, can you at least conjure me up something to eat?'
The warlock sighed heavily and set his drink down, turning once again to face the paladin.
'If I can't conjure you something to drink, what makes you think I could conjure you something to eat? You clearly need a mage, now stop bothering me.'
The warlock returned to his drink, only to find the paladin nudging his shoulder.
'Oh I'm sorry,' the paladin said mockingly. 'I thought you had something to offer to someone other than yourself.'
The warlock smoothly rose from his seat, grabbed his bottle of beer, and swung it hard, smashing the paladin full in the face. The paladin collapsed on the floor amidst a shower of beer, blood, shards of glass, and shattered pride, groaning in pain. The warlock tossed the broken neck of the bottle on the floor, and smoothed his robes.
'Oh I'm sorry,' he said with a smile. 'I thought you could tank.
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:00 pm
Lol, nice. Personally I like pally tanks just for the fact that they pay attention to the mana of the rest of the party. Unlike warriors or druids who just keep going. I often find myself having to pop mana potions whenever I am healing on my priest or DPSing on my hunter just because the tank rushes in. Also Paladins are better at keeping group aggro than the other tank classes, again just my opinion. And lastly, tank pallys rarely want to need roll on my polearms or ranged weapons when they drop, whereas warriors always have some excuse as to why they need them even though I clearly have more reason to need a gun, bow or polearm with a lot of agility.
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:48 pm
DGwar Lol, nice. Personally I like pally tanks just for the fact that they pay attention to the mana of the rest of the party. Unlike warriors or druids who just keep going. I often find myself having to pop mana potions whenever I am healing on my priest or DPSing on my hunter just because the tank rushes in. Also Paladins are better at keeping group aggro than the other tank classes, again just my opinion. And lastly, tank pallys rarely want to need roll on my polearms or ranged weapons when they drop, whereas warriors always have some excuse as to why they need them even though I clearly have more reason to need a gun, bow or polearm with a lot of agility. No offense but did you just hit lvl 70?
My hunter is lvl 67 and has better stats then you sweatdrop
Anyways, I agree.
Though druids I find do pay attention but I hate the ones that pop in and out of bear form to just put Regrowth on themselves when the healer is 75% complete in healing them...
>.<
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