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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:00 pm
good for you crafty. that is awesome.
hugs to everyone else... i know its tough, i still deal with my issues and its been years. it helps knowing there are others out there dealing with similar issues.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:51 pm
Well I've seen this thread here for ages and well, didn't really want to post.
A couple years ago I had a fiancee, an English backpacker who was seven years older than me. He was also an alcoholic and is one of the main reasons I became one too. I'm not sure exactly what happened, I think my mind has partly erased it plus the lines are so blurred. One night anyway we had been out at a bar and I had bumped into an old girlfriend, and I was a bit drunk but still knew what I was doing, ended up kissing her. I told him when we got home and he made me do something, or I did something out of guilt, or I just don't know. Anyway the next day he told me he wanted to hurt me as much as I'd hurt him. So I guess I accepted it as my fault and just pushed it from my mind .. and we were together for maybe another year. We broke up two years ago and since then I haven't been in a relationship with anyone. Any time I feel like I'm getting close to a guy I just shut down.
I've only told two people about this, one was my alcohol counsellor and she helped me get over it. The other person I told was my best friend, as she was absolutely no help at all. I've been there for her, even talked her out of suiciding .. but I guess she has no concept of the feelings of others.
I guess why I'm posting this now is that I am just really angry. Last week, a girl I was friends with was murdered by a man in her room at a boarding house. I feel so angry and was scared but they caught him. But I guess I am still scared, and its not fair, that there should be people walking this planet, scared that they may be attacked at any moment. Two years ago, a girl I was friends with in high school was murdered by her boyfriend. More than half of my girlfriends have been sexually assaulted.
I'm so untrusting of men, but I do have a few positive male role models in my life, foremost my father. I just can't bring myself to get close to any of the ones I meet in my life.
I still don't really know what to think of my own experience, if it was or wasn't or whatever. I don't want to hate men, there really are some good ones out there. I guess now, I'm just a bit intimidated by them, scared, sometimes loathing.
But I draw strength (as usual XD) from my fellow guildies. You all amaze me and are strong and supportive and positive. There really is so much in life to admire and be thankful for, and aspire to.
Thanks for reading.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:35 pm
I'm sorry you were hurt so, Raj. Death and abuse have a tendency to linger – like it is stuck in your skin.
I wish I knew a way to make it better, but the best I can do in this life is lend you my shoulder to lean on and my other shoulder to help carry some of the weight.
As for your best friend, I can say that perhaps she is just emotionally-retarded in this vein. So many people live their lives with a deficit of emotional knowledge and experience. I know Ross has helped me a lot, but I have not been able to help him anywhere near enough. I think it is as much a question of wanting to help as being able to help that enters into that equation. I am rambling though, sorry.
At least I can say that the only thing I might do to knowingly wrong you is taking advantage of the forfeit victory option in scrabulous. sweatdrop xd Heh, sorry, it is probably not the place for humor. But I do think of you as a close friend and, in the end, have to be myself – even if a bit out of place.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:54 pm
*huggles Raj*
There are no words of comfort I can give you that I'm sure hasn't been said at some point to you before. Whatever did or didn't happen back then w/ your ex.. you are and always will be a stronger person for it. I know that may sound kind of crude.. but I really truly believe everything happens for a reason. . . no matter how shitty it is..
I was mad at the world for years when I started having flashbacks of my rape and it wasn't until I talked to my youth group teachers wife that I really started to accept, heal and move on.. She told me how she had been assaulted by her uncle when she was younger.. she had only ever told this to her husband mind you.. and well .. she knew when I came to talk to her.. that THAT was why it had happened to her.. so she would be able to be there for me. And immediately I knew that no matter how much what had been done to me in my childhood.. from the abusive alcoholic father to the guy who raped and molested me for months.. that I was stronger.. and because of those experiences I would be able to help other women and children make it threw those same horrible situations.
Now I can't say what the reason for you is.. (wish I could but it's something I think you have to find for yourself for it to truly make sense..) but it could be anything from just getting you away from that guy (even if it didn't happen for a while) and then allowing you to see why you would want or need to make changes in your life. Unfortunately being an alcoholic adds a lot of not pleasant risk factors to your safety... Or it could be that because of that you are a lot more cautious and perhaps that is keeping you out of something that could have ended tragically.. or maybe it will just make you appreciate the great guy who you deserve even more when he does appear..
As for the crummy friend.. My honest gut reaction suggests one of two things..
either she didn't believe you or didn't think it was that big of a deal that you did something with/for/to your b.f. to make up for a drunken mistake you'd made..
OR..
She had been through something in her past and her way to deal with it was just to ignore it and move on. Hence her not wanting to deal with your issue.. it would cause her to deal with hers..
I see all different types of reactions to trauma on a daily basis.. we all have different defense mechanisms built in... but they are all there to help us get through it. . . and come out stronger.
You are stronger Raj. And you are doing great.. don't give up.. *hugs*
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:12 pm
I haven't posted much at all lately.. but yeah. I am going back to NJ to visit in July.. I haven't been there in THREE YEARS. I have talked to my dad on the phone and it seems like he MAY have changed, but there is so much doubt in the back of my mind about it. I am freaking out because I am going on this trip by myself and I HAVE to stay with my dad since he bought my train ticket.
Have any of you seen your abuser after you left? How did it go?
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:03 pm
I have lived with my father and mother to this day barring my mother's incarceration – which my father intends to end tomorrow.
As for others who have tormented and abused me. Most have gotten off scott free and went on to live suitably undeserved lives of quality.
However, one of the boys who raped me recently contacted me through facebook... It was back when I had issues there and almost ran as I felt violated. I stood up to him, told him what I felt and what I had to say, and then reported him to facebook where he was summarily banned. I was not able to get much solace or closure from it. It merely reminded me of how helpless I still am and hurt me deeply as the wounds were reopened. I cannot forgive them and I cannot forgive myself, I can't repress it or block it out anymore, all I can do is let it scar over and try to find enough good in the world to overshadow it.
I do not know what to say about your father. You have changed and he has changed – we all change over time. The question is, have the right parts changed?
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:24 am
Just out of curiosity Exxos. Why is your father ending your mother's incarceration? I thought he wanted to be free of her.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:37 pm
Camwen Just out of curiosity Exxos. Why is your father ending your mother's incarceration? I thought he wanted to be free of her. I don't know. I don't know if it is some skewed example of idiocy mixed with misplaced love or what. Yet he does still say he wants to be rid of her – that he wants to put her in her own place and get away. Though I am pretty sure that is not allowed as per the rules/limitations of her release. I just don't know. I am confused and bewildered. I have been crying all morning and in a drastically fluctuating state since he left to go get her. My little sister keeps assuring me that I can just press charges, but dad is pleading with me not to and promises he will fix things – I know he won't though. Growing up in this family, in this world, has proven to me that a promise is merely a post-dated lie or betrayal. If I give him the time he wants to fulfill promises of course, it will extend beyond the time limit to press charges. So I don't know what to do.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:22 pm
Astral.. I have not had to see my abuser again.. so I can't say too much from personal experience.. I can give you a few tidbits from my friends and family that have though.
Go into it with an open mind.
I don't know/recall all of your story.. But I would be careful of any expectations you set. If you go there expecting changes.. or expecting him to apologize for the past you could very well be disappointed.. and if you go in there expecting nothing to have changed you will see that regardless of the truth more that likely. Our emotions are silly like that.
Since it is your dad.. I would say try especially hard to move past it. but I know there are some things in this world that are very hard to forgive or forget. But he is the only dad you get too.. Even if you can't get past it.. don't let it eat at you okay? I wish you the best of luck. Let us know how it goes
Exxos.. Do what you have to do for you.
He may be your dad.. and there is something to be said for respecting your elders and loving your parents and what-not.. but if they are putting you in harms way... (emotionally or physically) then those rules are out the window.
Take care of yourself first and foremost.. unfortunately we can rarely count on anyone else to do that for us. So do what you gotta do for you. Okay?? Good-luck hun.. we're here if ya need us..
*huggles everyone in the thread*
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:54 am
ErinsChaos Exxos.. Do what you have to do for you. I think that would be either a bad idea or illegal. Plus, it would leave a mess in either case.
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:08 am
I am hoping it's okay, but I'm not expecting anything. It was pretty brutal when I lived with him.. and I am mainly concerned about him "losing it" and hurting me in some way again. Hopefully not..
He never actually apologized though, just seems a little more "peaceful" but that's on the phone and we are over 1000 miles away from each other so..
I don't know he actually doesn't seem like he even thinks he did anything wrong. Most of the time he blames me. confused
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:22 am
Astral I have had to deal with my ex, several times. We had our (hopefully) final major encounter the other day. I wrote about it here on an earlier page. Your situation and Exxos's are different of course because you two can't just say go the hell away and stay away. What I recommend with your dad is to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that he has changed. If not, if he gives you ANY reason to doubt him call him on it. If he still refuses to change minimize your contact with him as much as possible even if it means staying in your room or out of the house the entire trip. I personally liked Exxos's solution. Exxos my dear if that b***h even lays one more finger on you call the cops again! I'd come down there and beat the crap out of her for you if I could right now. (Pardon my language, she just makes me want to scream. I'm sure you understand.)
The most important thing to remember is that you are an important, loved, wonderful, beautiful, and worthwhile human being! Nothing anyone does to you can change that. It took me a long time to realize that and start the healing process.
I still see my ex on occasion and he still tries to talk to me but I simply act as if he isn't even there. The other day we were at Wal-Mart and he came up and tried to say hello. He must have already been in a bad mood because when I continued to ignore him he raised his hand to hit me. I gave him a look of death, turned my back on him, and as quickly as possible walked away. I was sorely tempted to say "You have no power over me!" because now he doesn't. I still have nightmares and flash backs but even they are fading with time. I can't even remember his middle name or birthday. Its like the more I forget about him the more powerful I feel. Plus I have Jason (my husband) and all of you here in the guild to be there for me during the really tough moments.
A good support system is important. I appriciate everyone here so much. I wish I could show you all how much you mean to me. Now I'm getting mushy, lol. Oh and Exxos, humor in this thread is appreciated and welcomed because there are times when if we don't laugh we will cry. I prefer my own laugher over tears any day.
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:28 pm
To show my appreciation of this bravery, in sharing such a hideous experience with us, I'll share my own, nightmarish tale with each of you. Years of coping and counseling have passed, for this story to be told.
I was returning from one of my classes, when a person waved me over. He could see that I knew the campus fairly well and requested my help, to make heads or tails of the campus map. With my being a kind person, I thought nothing of it and agreed to help.
Hours later, my body was trembling and I was finally left alone. As soon as I could handle going up and down the stairs, I went to my dorm room and washed away all of the shame. I felt unbelieveably filthy at the time, as if I could feel the grime of his soul consuming me. When I felt relatively clean and was wrapped in a fluffy bathr- obe, I called the police.
It's when I discovered that I had done the most horrible thing ima- ginable: I managed to wash away the evidence. A few weeks later, my self defense course taught us how to fight against a rapist and oh, how I sobbed! It was utterly too painful to bare.
To this day, I lie to myself about it ever happening to anyone else. There are mars on your soul that can never get clean, while a little denial makes it easier to sleep at night. So please.. don't bathe af- terwards and ensure that the b*****d/ b***h gets caught.
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:47 pm
Astral Shayde I am hoping it's okay, but I'm not expecting anything. It was pretty brutal when I lived with him.. and I am mainly concerned about him "losing it" and hurting me in some way again. Hopefully not.. If you are afraid of him losing it that much, there is enough grounds to not go. I got the impression that he was essentially beyond that stage, so if he is not 100% beyond it, I would not want you going into a potentially dangerous position. Astral Shayde He never actually apologized though, just seems a little more "peaceful" but that's on the phone and we are over 1000 miles away from each other so.. Apology > demands met > long-term discussion > then reconciliation. Without the apology, without his acknowledging his crimes, he cannot fully start to make amends. You might go up there and it might be fine. But without that initial apology, you have a flimsy substrate to build upon - that is if there is a foundation at all. Astral Shayde I don't know he actually doesn't seem like he even thinks he did anything wrong. Most of the time he blames me. confused Okay... He's a p***k and you are rushing into it without him making and/or meeting the necessary prerequisites to better this. From the sounds of it, he is not acknowledging, he is being apathetic to his crimes and trying to just move past them at best.
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:44 pm
I'm worried because I know for a fact he does not even realize what he did. It's almost as if he doesn't even notice he does it.. like something takes over him when he "went crazy". One minute he would be fine and in an instant he was a monster.
I leave in exactly one week now and I've been stressing beyond belief. He seems okay on the phone, but yeah.. sweatdrop
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