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 Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:13 pm
namida_no_chi [.Dix.ana.du.] namida_no_chi [.Dix.ana.du.] namida_no_chi [.Dix.ana.du.] Interesting opinion. I thoroughly, in spite of disagreeing, respect your opinion... but... How is Kyo replaceable to you if, to you (according to what you wrote above), he should be replaced by someone who is, musically, his equal? Or, rather, why should he be replaceable if his replacement can be "just as" he is? I would say (in bands where each member has an equal role, as in not bands such as "so and so, and their back up band") that the vocalist of almost any band is replaceable (AC/DC managed to pull it off). I didn't say he should be replaced, I just said he could be, because I'm sure any number of other vocalists out there can scream just as well as he can. 3nodding But doesn't that go for the other members as well? In my opinion, it wouldn't go for the other members necessarily. Reason being that the other members are the ones who write the actual music its self. So let's say you replaced kaoru with someone who had an entirely different writing style in music, the sound of the music would change.
Wouldn't the sound of the music change as well with a different vocalist, though?
In addition: could there not be someone who writes music and plays just as Kaoru does? Each song is different, anyway... thus, as long as the music follows a similar style, the sound of the band would not necessarily have to change.
[By the way, I must let you know that I am truly enjoying discussing this with you :3 xD]
I don't think it would. I mean you could have someone singing with a whispy high voice to Diru's music, but that wouldn't keep a song like Keloid Milk or Pink Killer from sounding hard core (and in fact kyo did use kind of a high pitched, non-screamo voice in keloid, but it still sounded hardcore, even though the two things are pretty opposite). I think that is the case because ultimately the instrumentals are what define the main feeling of the song. I don't know exactly why that is, but I have seen it true time and time again (Evanescence is a good example). And there could be someone who writes similar to Kaoru, but I don't think anyone could ever fully imitate kaoru's style (because I believe that sort of thing is completely unique to each individual, just as the sound of a voice is unique), or his stylistic evolution. But the reason I said a member is not necessarily replaceable is because like in Shinya's case, I think he could be replaced. Seeing as there are a lot of people who can drum just as well (and better), and he doesn't really write a lot of their music. [I, too, am enjoying this conversation, and extra bonus: there's no hostility in it. 3nodding xd ] I think that I see and understand what you're trying to say; what most influences the music is the instrumentals and the person most responsible for them (such as Kaoru). To me, however, Dir en grey's style is Dir en grey's because of what each individual within it contributes-- whether it be music or sound.
Yes, there could be someone who can replace almost each member within the band, but... if said person is better than the antecedent contributor, would not the music and sound change as well? I am sure that a band can still retain the definition of its principles (in concern towards music) with slight modifications, but, in my opinion, a band can evolve more efficiently when all of the members have experienced the same feeling of evolution.
I think that this is one of the reasons behind Dir en grey's success.
I mean... what personifies Dir en grey (this regardless of music, and, admittingly, viewing the band from their individual personalities that are contributed into the band-- since we all know many fans' fandom does rely on Dir en grey's personalities) wouldn't be the same if one of the members was to be replaced.
[Yay bonus! xD]
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:01 pm
[.Dix.ana.du.] I think that I see and understand what you're trying to say; what most influences the music is the instrumentals and the person most responsible for them (such as Kaoru). To me, however, Dir en grey's style is Dir en grey's because of what each individual within it contributes-- whether it be music or sound.
Yes, there could be someone who can replace almost each member within the band, but... if said person is better than the antecedent contributor, would not the music and sound change as well? I am sure that a band can still retain the definition of its principles (in concern towards music) with slight modifications, but, in my opinion, a band can evolve more efficiently when all of the members have experienced the same feeling of evolution.
I think that this is one of the reasons behind Dir en grey's success.
I mean... what personifies Dir en grey (this regardless of music, and, admittingly, viewing the band from their individual personalities that are contributed into the band-- since we all know many fans' fandom does rely on Dir en grey's personalities) wouldn't be the same if one of the members was to be replaced.
[Yay bonus! xD] Yes, I agree with you in that a band defines itself by what each individual contributes to it, but I think that is different from the sound. One being like personality, the other being, of course, sound. As I said before I think in a case like Diru, the instrumentals are the biggest part of their sound, and for that reason, I think something like a vocalist is replaceable (because as I've seen demonstrated, a vocalist especially in Rock, doesn't usually have much of a bearing over the sound). The only way I could think of where you replaced a member and it would change the sound is if it was a member who wrote a lot of the music (like kaoru). I agree also with what you said about a band's evolution being most affected by kinship in having experienced the same things. And what you said about a lot of fans' fandoms being based on the personality (or personal appearance, for that matter) but again, I think that goes more towards that band's personality, rather than sound.
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:14 pm
namida_no_chi [.Dix.ana.du.] I think that I see and understand what you're trying to say; what most influences the music is the instrumentals and the person most responsible for them (such as Kaoru). To me, however, Dir en grey's style is Dir en grey's because of what each individual within it contributes-- whether it be music or sound.
Yes, there could be someone who can replace almost each member within the band, but... if said person is better than the antecedent contributor, would not the music and sound change as well? I am sure that a band can still retain the definition of its principles (in concern towards music) with slight modifications, but, in my opinion, a band can evolve more efficiently when all of the members have experienced the same feeling of evolution.
I think that this is one of the reasons behind Dir en grey's success.
I mean... what personifies Dir en grey (this regardless of music, and, admittingly, viewing the band from their individual personalities that are contributed into the band-- since we all know many fans' fandom does rely on Dir en grey's personalities) wouldn't be the same if one of the members was to be replaced.
[Yay bonus! xD] Yes, I agree with you in that a band defines itself by what each individual contributes to it, but I think that is different from the sound. One being like personality, the other being, of course, sound. As I said before I think in a case like Diru, the instrumentals are the biggest part of their sound, and for that reason, I think something like a vocalist is replaceable (because as I've seen demonstrated, a vocalist especially in Rock, doesn't usually have much of a bearing over the sound). The only way I could think of where you replaced a member and it would change the sound is if it was a member who wrote a lot of the music (like kaoru). I agree also with what you said about a band's evolution being most affected by kinship in having experienced the same things. And what you said about a lot of fans' fandoms being based on the personality (or personal appearance, for that matter) but again, I think that goes more towards that band's personality, rather than sound. That's true... although: Kyo may be musically replaceable... but, based on what I said about the fans' fandom basis... Can Dir en grey really afford to replace him?
I mean, just look at the reaction you got from insulting him... and the millions of fans who, for some reason, still think that Kyo is the only member of Dir en grey. I mean, just imagine if Kyo suddenly went completely solo...
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:27 pm
[.Dix.ana.du.] That's true... although: Kyo may be musically replaceable... but, based on what I said about the fans' fandom basis... Can Dir en grey really afford to replace him?
I mean, just look at the reaction you got from insulting him... and the millions of fans who, for some reason, still think that Kyo is the only member of Dir en grey. I mean, just imagine if Kyo suddenly went completely solo... Not saying Diru would replace him or should. I just think they could and still have music just as relatively good. If Kyo went Solo, I think it'd be similar to the whole Malice Mizer/Gackt incident. He'd probably be popular solo, and Diru would probably remain popular, just because it's friggin Diru. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:42 pm
namida_no_chi [.Dix.ana.du.] That's true... although: Kyo may be musically replaceable... but, based on what I said about the fans' fandom basis... Can Dir en grey really afford to replace him?
I mean, just look at the reaction you got from insulting him... and the millions of fans who, for some reason, still think that Kyo is the only member of Dir en grey. I mean, just imagine if Kyo suddenly went completely solo... Not saying Diru would replace him or should. I just think they could and still have music just as relatively good. If Kyo went Solo, I think it'd be similar to the whole Malice Mizer/Gackt incident. He'd probably be popular solo, and Diru would probably remain popular, just because it's friggin Diru. 3nodding I concur...
Except... I must admit that the Kyo/Gackt comparison slightly frightens me... I just imagined Kyo dancing and singing "Vanilla" D:
Anyway. xD
I actually think that because the Dir en grey members seem to be so close, the loss of Kyo might negatively impact the band... especially since they've been together for so long. I'd feel bad for whoever would try to replace Kyo D:
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:17 am
[.Dix.ana.du.] namida_no_chi [.Dix.ana.du.] That's true... although: Kyo may be musically replaceable... but, based on what I said about the fans' fandom basis... Can Dir en grey really afford to replace him?
I mean, just look at the reaction you got from insulting him... and the millions of fans who, for some reason, still think that Kyo is the only member of Dir en grey. I mean, just imagine if Kyo suddenly went completely solo... Not saying Diru would replace him or should. I just think they could and still have music just as relatively good. If Kyo went Solo, I think it'd be similar to the whole Malice Mizer/Gackt incident. He'd probably be popular solo, and Diru would probably remain popular, just because it's friggin Diru. 3nodding I concur...
Except... I must admit that the Kyo/Gackt comparison slightly frightens me... I just imagined Kyo dancing and singing "Vanilla" D:
Anyway. xD
I actually think that because the Dir en grey members seem to be so close, the loss of Kyo might negatively impact the band... especially since they've been together for so long. I'd feel bad for whoever would try to replace Kyo D: That's be SOOOOO awesome. xd xd Yeah, I think it probably would have a negative impact on the band. I'm not saying it wouldn't. I'm just saying that their music would sound just as relatively good with any number of vocalists out there (making it appear that their vocalist is replaceable, from a sound perspective).
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